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Radeon RX Vega for consumers might still be out a couple of months
Much has been said and spoken about AMD’s upcoming consumer release of Radeon RX Vega. The latest news now is that it might take a couple of more months before we see the actual product in stores.
The latest news is based up-on a reddit spot (and just that). Apparently Lisa Su, the CEO of AMD has stated in a JP Morgan conference that and I quote “RX Vega to be launched a "couple months" after Vega FE”. Now, the transcript of that conference is not yet available to the public, hence I cannot verify and factually check that statement myself.
But considering the VEGA FE is available late June, we might assume (if this is correct and true) that the consumer version of Vega will be available not earlier than August or September, maybe July at best. If true this is a big blow in the faces of the AMD Radeon PC gaming community as pretty much everybody is expecting that the long wait would be over after the pending Computex announcements.
AMD to date has not explained as they the delays keep piling up, we can only assume that there are issues with getting proper volume HBM2 memory. Hence the expensive business cards get priority, as the margin on such cards is much higher than the consumer-end products.
Thanks go out to to Denial from our forums for spotting this one.
AMD’s senior marketing director Chris Hook last week tweeted a photo showing the actual card in their Markham, Ontario labs.
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#5434563 Posted on: 05/22/2017 07:48 PM
And this is a example why AMD is always behind. Too bad, guess my next build will still be Nvidia.
And this is a example why AMD is always behind. Too bad, guess my next build will still be Nvidia.
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#5434565 Posted on: 05/22/2017 07:53 PM
If this is true then Vega will be DoA.
By the time Vega is out Volta will be released or will be near release.
So it won't matter. Vega supposed to compete with GTX10XX which is already 1 year old.
I hope it will not be too late for Vega and I hope those news are not true.
If this is true then Vega will be DoA.
By the time Vega is out Volta will be released or will be near release.
So it won't matter. Vega supposed to compete with GTX10XX which is already 1 year old.
I hope it will not be too late for Vega and I hope those news are not true.
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#5434566 Posted on: 05/22/2017 07:53 PM
Raja already confirmed it wouldn't be out by the end of June, when asked about the Frontier Edition being used for gaming.
Raja already confirmed it wouldn't be out by the end of June, when asked about the Frontier Edition being used for gaming.
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#5434567 Posted on: 05/22/2017 08:00 PM
This is not good news for anyone that was hoping to upgrade in the first half of 2017. I have a couple of friends that were hoping for an AMD release this month, in order to drive down NViDIA pricing if nothing else.
This is not good news for anyone that was hoping to upgrade in the first half of 2017. I have a couple of friends that were hoping for an AMD release this month, in order to drive down NViDIA pricing if nothing else.
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#5434571 Posted on: 05/22/2017 08:09 PM
Bummer.
Bummer.
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#5434575 Posted on: 05/22/2017 08:16 PM
And im here with my wc 290x from 2014....ffs AMD i need gpu fot 144hz.
And im here with my wc 290x from 2014....ffs AMD i need gpu fot 144hz.
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#5434581 Posted on: 05/22/2017 08:34 PM
I am going to be kicking this horse a while longer. This is all because of their cash flow. Everything is going to be given priority that has a higher ROI. They needed to release Ryzen to consumers first so that the corporate market would standup and take notice; guaranteeing an uptake in sales. GPUs are in a different box where that is concerned. There is not a mass consumer market for professional GPUs.
AMD put themselves in the hot seat concerning HBM. If the inventor does not put any faith in their own creation then why should anyone else. Once they went down that road, there was no return...full steam ahead. If they back out now, HBM will carry a connotation of being a failure. It is just up to them when and if they pull the plug on it. My impression is that when the next quarter financials are released another 15-20% of their cash reserves will have been burned.
I am going to be kicking this horse a while longer. This is all because of their cash flow. Everything is going to be given priority that has a higher ROI. They needed to release Ryzen to consumers first so that the corporate market would standup and take notice; guaranteeing an uptake in sales. GPUs are in a different box where that is concerned. There is not a mass consumer market for professional GPUs.
AMD put themselves in the hot seat concerning HBM. If the inventor does not put any faith in their own creation then why should anyone else. Once they went down that road, there was no return...full steam ahead. If they back out now, HBM will carry a connotation of being a failure. It is just up to them when and if they pull the plug on it. My impression is that when the next quarter financials are released another 15-20% of their cash reserves will have been burned.
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#5434582 Posted on: 05/22/2017 08:35 PM
M8, you have a 1080Ti and an i7 7700k...
Vega should have come Q1 max and that would be late. They ****ed up, they need to drop the sinking HBM boat and just go with GDDR5X to be able to compete.
Saddens me to say this but you better look at the green team.
I've been positive and supportive of AMD but this is too much: **** off with Vega and move on, it should have been here 1 year ago.
And this is a example why AMD is always behind. Too bad, guess my next build will still be Nvidia.
M8, you have a 1080Ti and an i7 7700k...
I hope it will not be too late for Vega and I hope those news are not true.
Vega should have come Q1 max and that would be late. They ****ed up, they need to drop the sinking HBM boat and just go with GDDR5X to be able to compete.
And im here with my wc 290x from 2014....ffs AMD i need gpu fot 144hz.
Saddens me to say this but you better look at the green team.
I've been positive and supportive of AMD but this is too much: **** off with Vega and move on, it should have been here 1 year ago.
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#5434589 Posted on: 05/22/2017 09:04 PM
Man, tears have been shed from my manly cheeks.
Why? Just why .. Raja? Where is my hope? My VEGA?
Man, tears have been shed from my manly cheeks.
Why? Just why .. Raja? Where is my hope? My VEGA?
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#5434593 Posted on: 05/22/2017 09:14 PM
If this is true then Vega will be DoA.
By the time Vega is out Volta will be released or will be near release.
So it won't matter. Vega supposed to compete with GTX10XX which is already 1 year old.
I hope it will not be too late for Vega and I hope those news are not true.
Do not be so small-minded - GTX 1070/80 performer for less is still in demand especially for those of us which already bought FreeSync screen (or planning to) or those which just cant handle another higher shelf of graphic cards from nvidia.
I am waiting long now, so long in fact that I bought Freesync screen and I really need an affordable upgrade, 480 or 580 just do not cut it for me, and 390 is power hog - a bit annoying, but I keep it because of drivers !
If this is true then Vega will be DoA.
By the time Vega is out Volta will be released or will be near release.
So it won't matter. Vega supposed to compete with GTX10XX which is already 1 year old.
I hope it will not be too late for Vega and I hope those news are not true.
Do not be so small-minded - GTX 1070/80 performer for less is still in demand especially for those of us which already bought FreeSync screen (or planning to) or those which just cant handle another higher shelf of graphic cards from nvidia.
I am waiting long now, so long in fact that I bought Freesync screen and I really need an affordable upgrade, 480 or 580 just do not cut it for me, and 390 is power hog - a bit annoying, but I keep it because of drivers !
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#5434596 Posted on: 05/22/2017 09:23 PM
Nvidia's cards have been out for a year. The longer AMD waits, the easier it will be for Nvidia to cut price to nullify any price advantage AMD might have. Nvidia has a history of doing this over the last couple of generations, and it seems likely here.
Do not be so small-minded - GTX 1070/80 performer for less is still in demand especially for those of us which already bought FreeSync screen (or planning to) or those which just cant handle another higher shelf of graphic cards from nvidia.
Nvidia's cards have been out for a year. The longer AMD waits, the easier it will be for Nvidia to cut price to nullify any price advantage AMD might have. Nvidia has a history of doing this over the last couple of generations, and it seems likely here.
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#5434599 Posted on: 05/22/2017 09:31 PM
So what ? they could be even 100 years on the market - GTX 1070 is still way more expensive than RX 480/580 - which means it is a deal breaker for many it does not compete with price/performance ratio because of broken first part about price.
Do not nullify anything until G-Sync is horribly overpriced, ppl do not know about the advantages of adaptive sync yet - at least not many but it will slowly grow... look all I can say now is that I would not buy 1070 for the price of 580 now.
Nvidia's cards have been out for a year. The longer AMD waits, the easier it will be for Nvidia to cut price to nullify any price advantage AMD might have. Nvidia has a history of doing this over the last couple of generations, and it seems likely here.
So what ? they could be even 100 years on the market - GTX 1070 is still way more expensive than RX 480/580 - which means it is a deal breaker for many it does not compete with price/performance ratio because of broken first part about price.
Do not nullify anything until G-Sync is horribly overpriced, ppl do not know about the advantages of adaptive sync yet - at least not many but it will slowly grow... look all I can say now is that I would not buy 1070 for the price of 580 now.
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#5434600 Posted on: 05/22/2017 09:33 PM
It will still come out before Volta, thats something, right?
It will still come out before Volta, thats something, right?
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#5434604 Posted on: 05/22/2017 09:37 PM
I believe the memory controller needs to be designed to use either GDDR or HBM or both. I guess Vega can only handle HBM. It couldn't possibly have been an impossible task for an experienced company like AMD to design a GDDR5(x) video card using Vega when they realised Hynix can't keep its promises, which happened already in the middle of last year, I'd say, IF Vega had been able to use GDDR.
While what Clouseau said is also true, no doubt, it wouldn't have prevented AMD from releasing a 1070 equivalent or perhaps something between the 1070 and 1080. Then they could have released the real flagship with HBM2 whenever they are now going to release anything at all. How would that have been worse than this nonsense that actually happened?
they need to drop the sinking HBM boat and just go with GDDR5X to be able to compete.
I believe the memory controller needs to be designed to use either GDDR or HBM or both. I guess Vega can only handle HBM. It couldn't possibly have been an impossible task for an experienced company like AMD to design a GDDR5(x) video card using Vega when they realised Hynix can't keep its promises, which happened already in the middle of last year, I'd say, IF Vega had been able to use GDDR.
While what Clouseau said is also true, no doubt, it wouldn't have prevented AMD from releasing a 1070 equivalent or perhaps something between the 1070 and 1080. Then they could have released the real flagship with HBM2 whenever they are now going to release anything at all. How would that have been worse than this nonsense that actually happened?
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AMD lost quite a bit of money by not making a GDDR5X card like Nvidia did. It's quite bizarre Nvidia knew the HBM2 situation better than AMD despite AMD being the inventor of the thing.