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Radeon RX 470 Benchmarks
In the slide-deck that was released yesterday some benchmark numbers have been, well almost hidden. But they are there. I added them into two charts to check out.
Let me clearly state that the benchmarks have been performed by AMD so we cannot verify quality settings. The scores have been derived from the footnotes of the PDF:
Polaris 10 2.8x performance per watt: Testing conducted by AMD Performance Labs as of May 10, 2016 on the AMD Radeon™ RX 470 (110w) and AMD Radeon™ R9 270X (180w),ona test systemcomprising i7 5960X @ 3.0 GHz 16GB memory, AMD Radeon Software driver 16.20 and Windows 10.. Using 3DMark Fire Strike preset 1080p the scores were 9090 and 5787 respectively. Using Ashes ofthe Singularity 1080P High, the scores were 46 fps and 28.1 fps respectively. Using Hitman 1080p High, the scores were 60 fpsand 27.6 fps respectively. Using Overwatch1080p Max settings, the scoreswere 121 fps and 76 fps respectively. Using Performance/Board power, the resulting average across the 4 different titles was a perf per watt of 2.8X vs the Radeon R9 270X. Test results are not average andmay vary.
Good to see is that they used a test-setup that matches ours:
Testing conducted by AMD Performance Labs as of June 10, 2016 on the Radeon™ RX 480 8GB and R9 380 on a test system comprising Intel i7-5960X, 16GB DDR4-2666 RAM, GigabyteX99-UD4, Radeon Software Crimson Edition 16.1.1, and Win10 64-bit. Using the Steam VR Performance test, Radeon RX 480 scored 6.3 and Radeon R9 380 scored 3.6. Performance may vary based onuse of latest driver versions. Test results are not average and may vary.
BTW theres also mention of a mobile part called AMD Radeon RX 480M based on Polaris 11:
Testing conducted by AMD Performance Labs as of May 10, 2016 on 3DMark 11 and 3DMark Firestrikeusing a test system comprising of an i7-4600M, 8GB, AMD Radeon driver 16.20. AMD Radeon R9 M280X (14CUs) scored 5700 and 3500 with a board power of 82W. AMD Radeon RX 480M (16CUs) scored 7200 and 4070 with a board power of 35W. Using Performance/Board power, the resulting average across the 2 different titles was a perf per watt of 2.8X vs the Radeon R9 M280X .
The RX 470 would use roughly 110W, benchmarks used are 3DMarl FireStrike, Ashes of the Singularity, Hitman and Overwatch. The card is only being compared to a 270X, however FireStrike is normalized and was placed into our regular chart:
Here you go, have a peek:
More Info on Radeon RX 460 - 470 and 480 from new Slide deck - 06/14/2016 07:48 PM
So I just received a new slide-deck from AMD moments ago, in which they tease the Radeon RX 460 - 470 and 480 in a PDF slide-deck. The good news, It's cleared to post these, the bad news it not a lo...
AMD unveiling Radeon RX product stack with 480 - 470 and 460 - 06/14/2016 08:24 AM
AMD has presented they will release two new graphics cards: the RX 470 and RX 460. The two cards are positioned below the previously announced RX 480. Although it is not mentioned, it is rather likely...
SAPPHIRE Radeon RX 480 NITRO 8GB - 06/13/2016 10:15 AM
Some photos of what seems to be SAPPHIRE Radeon RX 480 NITRO 8GB have surfaced on the WWW. The card from Sapphire is their Nitro model and will be a dual-slot dual-fan based product....
AMD Radeon Rx 480 3DMark 11 Performance Benchmark Surfaces #2 - 06/11/2016 07:41 AM
I'll post a little addendum on the news coverage from yesterday where a Radeon Rx 480 3DMark 11 Performance surfaced at futuremark. Yesterday I didn't look too deeply into the database, however eve...
AMD Radeon Rx 480 3DMark 11 Performance Benchmark Surfaces - 06/10/2016 12:53 PM
Yes, I am fairly certain this is the real thing you guys, in the Futuremark database an entry appeared under device ID 67DF:C7, that Hardware ID has been tied to the AMD Radeon RX 480 for a while no...
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#5290039 Posted on: 06/15/2016 01:56 PM
Basically, we're getting taxed to death. It works both ways, some stuff is cheaper in EUR than £.
And price gouging is happening before my eyes. OCUK MSI GTX 1070 Gaming X has been price-hiked by another £10~. I bought mine (not shipped yet) at £419, today it's £429.95.
You were lucky then xDD
Basically, we're getting taxed to death. It works both ways, some stuff is cheaper in EUR than £.
And price gouging is happening before my eyes. OCUK MSI GTX 1070 Gaming X has been price-hiked by another £10~. I bought mine (not shipped yet) at £419, today it's £429.95.
You were lucky then xDD
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#5290045 Posted on: 06/15/2016 02:02 PM
TL;DR: It is not as good as it could have been. But looks can deceive.
1st thing is transistor investment. It is nearly as big as GTX 1080. And since GTX1070 has ~25% cut off, RX-480 practically is bigger GPU than that.
Yes, GTX benefits from much higher clock. And we do not know how RX overclocks. But this nearly looks like AMD had to score pretty good deal with GloFo to have such low price. Or damn low defect rate is in play.
Then again... transistors. It looks like it has more transistors than r9-290x, but less SP/TMUs. Where did those transistors go since even memory controller is bit smaller? How much more complex and better are actually those parts where transistors went to? I think there may be some hidden surprise(s).
And I wonder about OC potential, because GloFo officially promises clocks up to 2.4GHz. GPUs are different, but nVidia got 16nm ticking pretty high.
And if we look at Base vs OC and gains... Move from 1266 to 1500 is 18% boost.
Everyone remembers Fiji "OC's dream"? Maybe this time around they actually left more than 7% room for OC since it is not 300W GPU to begin with? AIB's with better power delivery?
With clocks in mind, some of those slides floating around stated that driver used was 16.1, so I am not even sure if it properly boosted or if Power Management did not do some bad stuff.
As result of above I still think we need to have proper test done by HH or anyone else who actually is able to measure card's performance in different scenarios.
And if it truly has more transistors than r9-290x. We should expect that drivers may have to catch up a bit even if it looks like they had at least 8 months to tune drivers.
What's you preliminary verdict then? Is that good or bad?
TL;DR: It is not as good as it could have been. But looks can deceive.
1st thing is transistor investment. It is nearly as big as GTX 1080. And since GTX1070 has ~25% cut off, RX-480 practically is bigger GPU than that.
Yes, GTX benefits from much higher clock. And we do not know how RX overclocks. But this nearly looks like AMD had to score pretty good deal with GloFo to have such low price. Or damn low defect rate is in play.
Then again... transistors. It looks like it has more transistors than r9-290x, but less SP/TMUs. Where did those transistors go since even memory controller is bit smaller? How much more complex and better are actually those parts where transistors went to? I think there may be some hidden surprise(s).
And I wonder about OC potential, because GloFo officially promises clocks up to 2.4GHz. GPUs are different, but nVidia got 16nm ticking pretty high.
And if we look at Base vs OC and gains... Move from 1266 to 1500 is 18% boost.
Everyone remembers Fiji "OC's dream"? Maybe this time around they actually left more than 7% room for OC since it is not 300W GPU to begin with? AIB's with better power delivery?
With clocks in mind, some of those slides floating around stated that driver used was 16.1, so I am not even sure if it properly boosted or if Power Management did not do some bad stuff.
As result of above I still think we need to have proper test done by HH or anyone else who actually is able to measure card's performance in different scenarios.
And if it truly has more transistors than r9-290x. We should expect that drivers may have to catch up a bit even if it looks like they had at least 8 months to tune drivers.
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#5290048 Posted on: 06/15/2016 02:04 PM
BTW, this is the problem with the mentality going on regarding pricing.
Everyone wants the cheapest, but, best card for the money.
I myself find such products questionable, well, I and I'm sure others do when they're so cheap compared to the competition that we automatically think there's some severe corner-cutting on components quality.
However, those same people will champion low-cost products like RX 480 without even knowing anything about the quality and just assume it's "comparable".
I firmly believe we get what we pay for, even with the current price gouging going on. There is no magic long-life product that's cheap, but, that's just my opinion.
Even going AMD route, I would much rather trust their higher-priced products than cheaper ones.
Does that imply that you believe low end nVidia cards are trash? Actually defect rate on High end cards is quite higher than on entry level cards.
GTX 750Ti is card with one of lowest defect rate there is.
BTW, this is the problem with the mentality going on regarding pricing.
Everyone wants the cheapest, but, best card for the money.
I myself find such products questionable, well, I and I'm sure others do when they're so cheap compared to the competition that we automatically think there's some severe corner-cutting on components quality.
However, those same people will champion low-cost products like RX 480 without even knowing anything about the quality and just assume it's "comparable".
I firmly believe we get what we pay for, even with the current price gouging going on. There is no magic long-life product that's cheap, but, that's just my opinion.
Even going AMD route, I would much rather trust their higher-priced products than cheaper ones.
Does that imply that you believe low end nVidia cards are trash? Actually defect rate on High end cards is quite higher than on entry level cards.
GTX 750Ti is card with one of lowest defect rate there is.
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#5290050 Posted on: 06/15/2016 02:05 PM
Don't think for a moment I'm fully cool with the situation, I'm not. I think it sucks ass that we're getting rinsed for every penny we've got.
On the other-hand, older Maxwell 2.0 products are coming down in price very fast. £110 drop on GTX 980ti in the last 2 days alone.
That's good for consumers. The pascal situation I have to swallow as an early-user.
I fully expect similar price-gouging when RX 480 hits...if it's a hit. Perhaps they will push £260-280? I can see it happening just cause it's the new thing.
You were lucky then xDD
Don't think for a moment I'm fully cool with the situation, I'm not. I think it sucks ass that we're getting rinsed for every penny we've got.
On the other-hand, older Maxwell 2.0 products are coming down in price very fast. £110 drop on GTX 980ti in the last 2 days alone.
That's good for consumers. The pascal situation I have to swallow as an early-user.
I fully expect similar price-gouging when RX 480 hits...if it's a hit. Perhaps they will push £260-280? I can see it happening just cause it's the new thing.
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#5290052 Posted on: 06/15/2016 02:09 PM
You're actually looking at more money though.
RX 480 8GB crossfire will be roughly £478
GTX1070 is roughly £400, some cheaper, some more expensive.
On the otherhand, it'll probably beat both pascal cards in supported games.
You must think the dollar is worth more than the pound.
from my calculations $400 is £282.43 plus VAT is £338 Not £478
And at worst its $460 that's £326 plus VAT is £391
So you think the dollar is more valuable than the pound ?
You're actually looking at more money though.
RX 480 8GB crossfire will be roughly £478
GTX1070 is roughly £400, some cheaper, some more expensive.
On the otherhand, it'll probably beat both pascal cards in supported games.
You must think the dollar is worth more than the pound.
from my calculations $400 is £282.43 plus VAT is £338 Not £478
And at worst its $460 that's £326 plus VAT is £391
So you think the dollar is more valuable than the pound ?
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#5290058 Posted on: 06/15/2016 02:17 PM
Does that imply that you believe low end nVidia cards are trash? Actually defect rate on High end cards is quite higher than on entry level cards.
GTX 750Ti is card with one of lowest defect rate there is.
My belief is as a gamer that these companies should strive to provide products that are able to give at least a 60fps "PC experience" to the masses at lowest cost possible without making a short-life product. Yes, I know not everyone can afford those products. I do hope RX 480 is a success as it's a great step towards that goal.
Do I think low-end is trash in general? Yes, just like I think cheap power-supplies and guitars are trash. Do I think those products shouldn't exist? No, but, I also believe in "buy cheap, buy twice".
As for higher-end cards failing more, well, there is probably some merit to this in part due to complexity, but, I also think high-end users also expect too much from their hardware and in part they shorten the life of the cards themselves willingly.
Does that imply that you believe low end nVidia cards are trash? Actually defect rate on High end cards is quite higher than on entry level cards.
GTX 750Ti is card with one of lowest defect rate there is.
My belief is as a gamer that these companies should strive to provide products that are able to give at least a 60fps "PC experience" to the masses at lowest cost possible without making a short-life product. Yes, I know not everyone can afford those products. I do hope RX 480 is a success as it's a great step towards that goal.
Do I think low-end is trash in general? Yes, just like I think cheap power-supplies and guitars are trash. Do I think those products shouldn't exist? No, but, I also believe in "buy cheap, buy twice".
As for higher-end cards failing more, well, there is probably some merit to this in part due to complexity, but, I also think high-end users also expect too much from their hardware and in part they shorten the life of the cards themselves willingly.
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#5290065 Posted on: 06/15/2016 02:29 PM
You must think the dollar is worth more than the pound.
from my calculations $400 is £282.43 plus VAT is £338 Not £478
And at worst its $460 that's £326 plus VAT is £391
So you think the dollar is more valuable than the pound ?
I think we've already come to the conclusion that currency conversion doesn't translate to actual retail prices.
Also, my numbers have nothing to do with $. Fully to do with £.
This is with the assumption that 1x RX 480 (8GB) will cost £239, so 2x = £478.
Also, from early pricing, we will see some places charging up to £263 per 8GB card like here http://www.xposhop.co.uk/product/details/sapphire/audio-video-multimedia/21260-00-20g/28593626
For Crossfire RX 480 8GB at that price it would then be £526.68. Just about touching cheapest GTX 1080 territory. YMMV.
edit: Just to explain the vat situation in my country. Vat is NOT a one-time tax like it should be. I actually run a business so I can tell you that on goods vat can be paid multiple times. For example, a warehouse will pay vat on their goods, a shop keeper will then pay vat (again) when buying from that warehouse, the shop keeper will then charge customers vat when they buy from the shop keeper. That's a lay-mans example of how it (can) works.
You must think the dollar is worth more than the pound.
from my calculations $400 is £282.43 plus VAT is £338 Not £478
And at worst its $460 that's £326 plus VAT is £391
So you think the dollar is more valuable than the pound ?
I think we've already come to the conclusion that currency conversion doesn't translate to actual retail prices.
Also, my numbers have nothing to do with $. Fully to do with £.
This is with the assumption that 1x RX 480 (8GB) will cost £239, so 2x = £478.
Also, from early pricing, we will see some places charging up to £263 per 8GB card like here http://www.xposhop.co.uk/product/details/sapphire/audio-video-multimedia/21260-00-20g/28593626
For Crossfire RX 480 8GB at that price it would then be £526.68. Just about touching cheapest GTX 1080 territory. YMMV.
edit: Just to explain the vat situation in my country. Vat is NOT a one-time tax like it should be. I actually run a business so I can tell you that on goods vat can be paid multiple times. For example, a warehouse will pay vat on their goods, a shop keeper will then pay vat (again) when buying from that warehouse, the shop keeper will then charge customers vat when they buy from the shop keeper. That's a lay-mans example of how it (can) works.
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#5290080 Posted on: 06/15/2016 02:47 PM
Im no expert but i can compare hardware between countries and currencies to get a rough idea how much these cards will cost in the UK.
I think your maths is broken and then some.
I think i will be paying around 170 to 180 pounds for a 200 dollar graphics card.
You cant argue with these screen shots so pls give up this quest it dont work
and thx for this link.
http://www.xposhop.co.uk/product/details/sapphire/audio-video-multimedia/21260-00-20g/28593626
We know the cards selling between 200 and 300 this just confirms the 3rd party cards are being made.
Im no expert but i can compare hardware between countries and currencies to get a rough idea how much these cards will cost in the UK.
I think your maths is broken and then some.
I think i will be paying around 170 to 180 pounds for a 200 dollar graphics card.
You cant argue with these screen shots so pls give up this quest it dont work
and thx for this link.
http://www.xposhop.co.uk/product/details/sapphire/audio-video-multimedia/21260-00-20g/28593626
We know the cards selling between 200 and 300 this just confirms the 3rd party cards are being made.
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#5290086 Posted on: 06/15/2016 02:58 PM
Brimstone101, my maths works fully for UK prices as the prices I'm using is the confirmed UK price.
$ price may give different results, but, comparing last-gen products doesn't really tell us anything especially when you see this;
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/msi-geforce-gtx-960-gaming-2048mb-gddr5-pci-express-graphics-card-red-gx-277-ms.html
See? I can find even cheaper products, but, that doesn't change the RX 480 release price in the UK. So please, give up your quest cause that's not how it works here in UK.
Brimstone101, my maths works fully for UK prices as the prices I'm using is the confirmed UK price.
$ price may give different results, but, comparing last-gen products doesn't really tell us anything especially when you see this;
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/msi-geforce-gtx-960-gaming-2048mb-gddr5-pci-express-graphics-card-red-gx-277-ms.html
See? I can find even cheaper products, but, that doesn't change the RX 480 release price in the UK. So please, give up your quest cause that's not how it works here in UK.
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#5290090 Posted on: 06/15/2016 03:06 PM
Wait a minute, if we assume 480 is 25% faster than 470, then something is still very wrong with regards to previous amd claims of 1440p60 hitman at max settings.
Wait a minute, if we assume 480 is 25% faster than 470, then something is still very wrong with regards to previous amd claims of 1440p60 hitman at max settings.
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#5290092 Posted on: 06/15/2016 03:14 PM
so 2 of these would stack up around 1070 for less money? I never thought id say this but i might go dual GPU this year.
so 2 of these would stack up around 1070 for less money? I never thought id say this but i might go dual GPU this year.
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#5290101 Posted on: 06/15/2016 03:28 PM
Wow that RX470 looks like a nice inexpensive upgrade to my 270X. It looks better than the 380X. I hope this turns out to be accurate.
Wow that RX470 looks like a nice inexpensive upgrade to my 270X. It looks better than the 380X. I hope this turns out to be accurate.
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#5290104 Posted on: 06/15/2016 03:30 PM
how i see it for a 200 dollar card ile be paying around 170 to 180 pounds thats including VAT and taxes.
Comparing the prices of the 1070 and 1080 takes me to this conclusion
how i see it for a 200 dollar card ile be paying around 170 to 180 pounds thats including VAT and taxes.
Comparing the prices of the 1070 and 1080 takes me to this conclusion
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#5290106 Posted on: 06/15/2016 03:32 PM
Cant wait to see how it OCs, in detail tests, temps, crossfire etc.
I really hope amd will do well with all that but I have my doubts.
Cant wait to see how it OCs, in detail tests, temps, crossfire etc.
I really hope amd will do well with all that but I have my doubts.
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What happens on the UE is that not all prices are acordingly translated from one currency (dolar or pound) to €€.
What in UK is 400 pounds, on UE goes over 550€ if not higher, when it should be 511€.
Why, i dont know, but thats what happens XD
Basically, we're getting taxed to death. It works both ways, some stuff is cheaper in EUR than £.
And price gouging is happening before my eyes. OCUK MSI GTX 1070 Gaming X has been price-hiked by another £10~. I bought mine (not shipped yet) at £419, today it's £429.95.