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Radeon RX 460 with 1024 Stream processors spotted
Over in China a Radeon RX 460 has been spotted with 1024 activated shader processors, normally that value would be 896 shader processors. The card was spotted at the Chinese Sapphire website. Now, 1024 shader/stream processors means a fully unlocked Polaris 11 GPU is being used.
We've already seen some BIOS mods with RX 460 owners unlocking the rest of the shader processors, but this would be the first formal introduction. The card was fitted with 4GB gddr5 memory and runs a 1250 MHz clock frequency (normally 1200MHz). All in all this should be good for a bit of a performance bump for the RX 460, let's say roughly 10%.
It remains unclear if this SKU is China only, hence do not expect the 1024 SP version in the EU and USA anytime soon.
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#5382350 Posted on: 01/17/2017 04:29 PM
sounds well, but teorically its up to 19% higher performance, 14% higher Core count @4% higher clock, but maybe 25% Higher pòwer compsumition
I dont know if I could afford the extra 14 cents a month to run this card!!!
sounds well, but teorically its up to 19% higher performance, 14% higher Core count @4% higher clock, but maybe 25% Higher pòwer compsumition
I dont know if I could afford the extra 14 cents a month to run this card!!!
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#5382368 Posted on: 01/17/2017 05:14 PM
Lol
Don't be troll, im not interested in RX460's i'll go for RX470, i mentioned Power compsumition consdering that reviews will mention It as competence of GTX1050/Ti
I dont know if I could afford the extra 14 cents a month to run this card!!!
Lol
Don't be troll, im not interested in RX460's i'll go for RX470, i mentioned Power compsumition consdering that reviews will mention It as competence of GTX1050/Ti
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#5382371 Posted on: 01/17/2017 05:27 PM
Lol
Don't be troll, im not interested in RX460's i'll go for RX470, i mentioned Power compsumition consdering that reviews will mention It as competence of GTX1050/Ti
Don't be so triggered.
Power consumption is ruined with any overclocking anyways.
The obsession with power consumption is so damn laughable at times.
Its only an issue if you leave your pc on 24/7 folding, converting video, or have zero life outside of playing games 25+ hours a week.
Lol
Don't be troll, im not interested in RX460's i'll go for RX470, i mentioned Power compsumition consdering that reviews will mention It as competence of GTX1050/Ti
Don't be so triggered.
Power consumption is ruined with any overclocking anyways.
The obsession with power consumption is so damn laughable at times.
Its only an issue if you leave your pc on 24/7 folding, converting video, or have zero life outside of playing games 25+ hours a week.
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#5382384 Posted on: 01/17/2017 06:11 PM
Don't be so triggered.
Power consumption is ruined with any overclocking anyways.
The obsession with power consumption is so damn laughable at times.
Its only an issue if you leave your pc on 24/7 folding, converting video, or have zero life outside of playing games 25+ hours a week.
...or if you have a puny PSU and I figure most people looking at the 460 and 1050 cards aren't those upgrading from a GTX x80 or Rx x90/X with a big beefy 750w PSU already in their rig. One of the big selling points of the sub-75w cards is that they're drop in and play cards: you can take a basic office computer and drop this card in (with no further connectors) to make it a 1080p gaming machine. As soon as it requires a 6pin and higher power draw, and therefore needing a new PSU, you start to turn off some people otherwise interested in the product.
Don't be so triggered.
Power consumption is ruined with any overclocking anyways.
The obsession with power consumption is so damn laughable at times.
Its only an issue if you leave your pc on 24/7 folding, converting video, or have zero life outside of playing games 25+ hours a week.
...or if you have a puny PSU and I figure most people looking at the 460 and 1050 cards aren't those upgrading from a GTX x80 or Rx x90/X with a big beefy 750w PSU already in their rig. One of the big selling points of the sub-75w cards is that they're drop in and play cards: you can take a basic office computer and drop this card in (with no further connectors) to make it a 1080p gaming machine. As soon as it requires a 6pin and higher power draw, and therefore needing a new PSU, you start to turn off some people otherwise interested in the product.
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#5382385 Posted on: 01/17/2017 06:12 PM
Woah, chill out guys.
Woah, chill out guys.
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#5382391 Posted on: 01/17/2017 06:29 PM
Don't be so triggered.
Power consumption is ruined with any overclocking anyways.
The obsession with power consumption is so damn laughable at times.
Its only an issue if you leave your pc on 24/7 folding, converting video, or have zero life outside of playing games 25+ hours a week.
I dont like GPU that use 2 power connectors they cause coil whine much worse then 1 connector, So to be power consumption to me is kinda important
Don't be so triggered.
Power consumption is ruined with any overclocking anyways.
The obsession with power consumption is so damn laughable at times.
Its only an issue if you leave your pc on 24/7 folding, converting video, or have zero life outside of playing games 25+ hours a week.
I dont like GPU that use 2 power connectors they cause coil whine much worse then 1 connector, So to be power consumption to me is kinda important
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#5382443 Posted on: 01/17/2017 09:28 PM
That can happen if your PSU cant respond to rapidly changes is power demands. High quality modern PSUs have capacitors on the power cables to prevent this. I love additional connectors because that means I have more power delivery and usually more overclocking potential.
"To reduce electrical whine/buzz associated with high performance graphics card’s dynamic loading changes, 2200uF capacitors are attached to PCI-E connectors. This design also helps to maintain better voltage stability and improve ripple & noise performance. "
I dont like GPU that use 2 power connectors they cause coil whine much worse then 1 connector, So to be power consumption to me is kinda important
That can happen if your PSU cant respond to rapidly changes is power demands. High quality modern PSUs have capacitors on the power cables to prevent this. I love additional connectors because that means I have more power delivery and usually more overclocking potential.
"To reduce electrical whine/buzz associated with high performance graphics card’s dynamic loading changes, 2200uF capacitors are attached to PCI-E connectors. This design also helps to maintain better voltage stability and improve ripple & noise performance. "
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#5382445 Posted on: 01/17/2017 09:37 PM
But can it run Tetris?
But can it run Tetris?
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#5382522 Posted on: 01/18/2017 03:17 AM
That can happen if your PSU cant respond to rapidly changes is power demands. High quality modern PSUs have capacitors on the power cables to prevent this. I love additional connectors because that means I have more power delivery and usually more overclocking potential.
"To reduce electrical whine/buzz associated with high performance graphics card’s dynamic loading changes, 2200uF capacitors are attached to PCI-E connectors. This design also helps to maintain better voltage stability and improve ripple & noise performance. "
I upgraded/changed lot of CAPs to better quality ones on my 3 Power supplies to get better results, i noted that higher Amp lines has 2200uF CAPs, a way to "upgrade" Power supplies is changing Electrolitic CAPs to higher voltage ones (with same uf), It will operate at lower temps... Im thinking to change a 400v 330uf for 2x 200~250v 330uf (in serial) to improve voltages
That can happen if your PSU cant respond to rapidly changes is power demands. High quality modern PSUs have capacitors on the power cables to prevent this. I love additional connectors because that means I have more power delivery and usually more overclocking potential.
"To reduce electrical whine/buzz associated with high performance graphics card’s dynamic loading changes, 2200uF capacitors are attached to PCI-E connectors. This design also helps to maintain better voltage stability and improve ripple & noise performance. "
I upgraded/changed lot of CAPs to better quality ones on my 3 Power supplies to get better results, i noted that higher Amp lines has 2200uF CAPs, a way to "upgrade" Power supplies is changing Electrolitic CAPs to higher voltage ones (with same uf), It will operate at lower temps... Im thinking to change a 400v 330uf for 2x 200~250v 330uf (in serial) to improve voltages
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#5382538 Posted on: 01/18/2017 05:42 AM
How exactly does one improve voltages by changing the AC input filtering caps, as they do nothing more than to filter the ripple of the 110/230V fed into the PSU. Higher voltage caps on the secondary side do absolutely nothing for higher line voltages as there are 16V caps on the 12V line which is more than enough and impossible to surpass normally without your PSU shutting dows from the failsafes.
Changing them with higher capacity caps as 2000uF+ does not improve voltage from the "higher" uF count, but from the lower ESR. The ESR is what causes caps to gain "resistance" and lower the circuit voltage as they age.
Keep in mind that if the original ones were around 1000uF, higher ones may cause high stress on the VRM and cause issues in the feedlack loop.
Furthermore caps do not produce heat on their own, they get heated by nearby coils, hearsinks, diodes and voltage regulators which shorten their lifespan as the temperature goes up. The only way to keep them cool is by ditching the "intelligent fan control" of the PSU which might turn off the fan completely under 50 degrees which is complete BS, and powering it directly from a molex so it has full speed.
Im thinking to change a 400v 330uf for 2x 200~250v 330uf (in serial) to improve voltages
How exactly does one improve voltages by changing the AC input filtering caps, as they do nothing more than to filter the ripple of the 110/230V fed into the PSU. Higher voltage caps on the secondary side do absolutely nothing for higher line voltages as there are 16V caps on the 12V line which is more than enough and impossible to surpass normally without your PSU shutting dows from the failsafes.
Changing them with higher capacity caps as 2000uF+ does not improve voltage from the "higher" uF count, but from the lower ESR. The ESR is what causes caps to gain "resistance" and lower the circuit voltage as they age.
Keep in mind that if the original ones were around 1000uF, higher ones may cause high stress on the VRM and cause issues in the feedlack loop.
Furthermore caps do not produce heat on their own, they get heated by nearby coils, hearsinks, diodes and voltage regulators which shorten their lifespan as the temperature goes up. The only way to keep them cool is by ditching the "intelligent fan control" of the PSU which might turn off the fan completely under 50 degrees which is complete BS, and powering it directly from a molex so it has full speed.
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#5382632 Posted on: 01/18/2017 12:42 PM
How exactly does one improve voltages by changing the AC input filtering caps, as they do nothing more than to filter the ripple of the 110/230V fed into the PSU. Higher voltage caps on the secondary side do absolutely nothing for higher line voltages as there are 16V caps on the 12V line which is more than enough and impossible to surpass normally without your PSU shutting dows from the failsafes.
Changing them with higher capacity caps as 2000uF+ does not improve voltage from the "higher" uF count, but from the lower ESR. The ESR is what causes caps to gain "resistance" and lower the circuit voltage as they age.
Keep in mind that if the original ones were around 1000uF, higher ones may cause high stress on the VRM and cause issues in the feedlack loop.
Furthermore caps do not produce heat on their own, they get heated by nearby coils, hearsinks, diodes and voltage regulators which shorten their lifespan as the temperature goes up. The only way to keep them cool is by ditching the "intelligent fan control" of the PSU which might turn off the fan completely under 50 degrees which is complete BS, and powering it directly from a molex so it has full speed.
Maybe i wrong writted...
The Powersupply has a lot of different CAPs, different uf for every lane (-12, -5, 3.3, 5, 12, 5SB), if you put higher voltage CAPs no higher uf (capacitancy is inverse to voltage, higher uf = lower voltage out on a transformer), maintaining uf and putting higher voltage CAPs they will operate @lower temps, other thing, remenber that main (input) CAPs must support all system load, again higher voltage CAPs will operate at lower temps
How exactly does one improve voltages by changing the AC input filtering caps, as they do nothing more than to filter the ripple of the 110/230V fed into the PSU. Higher voltage caps on the secondary side do absolutely nothing for higher line voltages as there are 16V caps on the 12V line which is more than enough and impossible to surpass normally without your PSU shutting dows from the failsafes.
Changing them with higher capacity caps as 2000uF+ does not improve voltage from the "higher" uF count, but from the lower ESR. The ESR is what causes caps to gain "resistance" and lower the circuit voltage as they age.
Keep in mind that if the original ones were around 1000uF, higher ones may cause high stress on the VRM and cause issues in the feedlack loop.
Furthermore caps do not produce heat on their own, they get heated by nearby coils, hearsinks, diodes and voltage regulators which shorten their lifespan as the temperature goes up. The only way to keep them cool is by ditching the "intelligent fan control" of the PSU which might turn off the fan completely under 50 degrees which is complete BS, and powering it directly from a molex so it has full speed.
Maybe i wrong writted...
The Powersupply has a lot of different CAPs, different uf for every lane (-12, -5, 3.3, 5, 12, 5SB), if you put higher voltage CAPs no higher uf (capacitancy is inverse to voltage, higher uf = lower voltage out on a transformer), maintaining uf and putting higher voltage CAPs they will operate @lower temps, other thing, remenber that main (input) CAPs must support all system load, again higher voltage CAPs will operate at lower temps
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#5382661 Posted on: 01/18/2017 02:35 PM
maintaining uf and putting higher voltage CAPs they will operate @lower temps, other thing, remenber that main (input) CAPs must support all system load, again higher voltage CAPs will operate at lower temps
Caps DO NOT produce heat unless their ripple current ratings are exceeded or have a very high ESR which would make the circuit fail anyway. The only positive thing about replacing any cap with a higher voltage rating is that it may last longer depending on voltage spikes/ripple. Claiming that higher voltage in caps reduces heat is bogus and so is that higher/more main input caps equal more power/stability.
Also it's generally agreed that it's datasheet lifespan doubles for each 10 degrees decrease in temperature from their maximum tolerance (85/105degrees).
maintaining uf and putting higher voltage CAPs they will operate @lower temps, other thing, remenber that main (input) CAPs must support all system load, again higher voltage CAPs will operate at lower temps
Caps DO NOT produce heat unless their ripple current ratings are exceeded or have a very high ESR which would make the circuit fail anyway. The only positive thing about replacing any cap with a higher voltage rating is that it may last longer depending on voltage spikes/ripple. Claiming that higher voltage in caps reduces heat is bogus and so is that higher/more main input caps equal more power/stability.
Also it's generally agreed that it's datasheet lifespan doubles for each 10 degrees decrease in temperature from their maximum tolerance (85/105degrees).
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#5382691 Posted on: 01/18/2017 04:25 PM
Caps DO NOT produce heat unless their ripple current ratings are exceeded or have a very high ESR which would make the circuit fail anyway. The only positive thing about replacing any cap with a higher voltage rating is that it may last longer depending on voltage spikes/ripple. Claiming that higher voltage in caps reduces heat is bogus and so is that higher/more main input caps equal more power/stability.
Also it's generally agreed that it's datasheet lifespan doubles for each 10 degrees decrease in temperature from their maximum tolerance (85/105degrees).
Okay, well
Caps DO NOT produce heat unless their ripple current ratings are exceeded or have a very high ESR which would make the circuit fail anyway. The only positive thing about replacing any cap with a higher voltage rating is that it may last longer depending on voltage spikes/ripple. Claiming that higher voltage in caps reduces heat is bogus and so is that higher/more main input caps equal more power/stability.
Also it's generally agreed that it's datasheet lifespan doubles for each 10 degrees decrease in temperature from their maximum tolerance (85/105degrees).
Okay, well
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#5382779 Posted on: 01/18/2017 08:00 PM
Nonsense. Capacitors produce heat, period.
Realrealistic, nonideal capacitor means ESR > 0 --> heat = I^2 * ESR > 0
How can someone use term like ESR, and at the same time proclaim that caps do not produce heat, is the real puzzle here.
Caps DO NOT produce heat unless their ripple current ratings are exceeded or have a very high ESR which would make the circuit fail anyway.
Nonsense. Capacitors produce heat, period.
Realrealistic, nonideal capacitor means ESR > 0 --> heat = I^2 * ESR > 0
How can someone use term like ESR, and at the same time proclaim that caps do not produce heat, is the real puzzle here.
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sounds well, but teorically its up to 19% higher performance, 14% higher Core count @4% higher clock, but maybe 25% Higher pòwer compsumition