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Preview: Intel Core i9 Skylake-X processors
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#5439267 Posted on: 06/05/2017 09:09 AM
Have you seen Linus's video on X299/Kaby-Lake X? He basically explains how it's all a mess from intels part. An actually good video from him over a long time.
Intel is in major panic mode and are shooting themselves in the foot.
Have you seen Linus's video on X299/Kaby-Lake X? He basically explains how it's all a mess from intels part. An actually good video from him over a long time.
Intel is in major panic mode and are shooting themselves in the foot.
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#5439268 Posted on: 06/05/2017 09:10 AM
No USB 3.1 (without third party chips) on the x299? Well can't say i didn't predict that i guess. Wonder if Intel knows its 2017.
Also, i love intels randomness(sarcasm). I mean, from 8 core to 10 core, they are charging you 400 extra dollars for those 2 cores. Yet from 10 core to 12 core, they are charging you 200 extra dollars for those 2 cores. Then its another 200, then 300, then 300, down the line, per 2 cores extra. Now i know you could say "well there's more to it then that, there's extra PCI-Express lanes between the 8 and 10 core". Ok sure, but that's just a cop out to charge us more......
This platform was a result of some things.
One of them was the need for rush to release something to compete with Threadripper.
The other is Intel's pricing politics.
For such a price this platform is half baked at least.
The good news is that this year the CPU market will finally see some competition after almost a decade of stagnation.
No USB 3.1 (without third party chips) on the x299? Well can't say i didn't predict that i guess. Wonder if Intel knows its 2017.
Also, i love intels randomness(sarcasm). I mean, from 8 core to 10 core, they are charging you 400 extra dollars for those 2 cores. Yet from 10 core to 12 core, they are charging you 200 extra dollars for those 2 cores. Then its another 200, then 300, then 300, down the line, per 2 cores extra. Now i know you could say "well there's more to it then that, there's extra PCI-Express lanes between the 8 and 10 core". Ok sure, but that's just a cop out to charge us more......
This platform was a result of some things.
One of them was the need for rush to release something to compete with Threadripper.
The other is Intel's pricing politics.
For such a price this platform is half baked at least.
The good news is that this year the CPU market will finally see some competition after almost a decade of stagnation.
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#5439271 Posted on: 06/05/2017 09:16 AM
IPC has been improved meaning the number of instructions per clock-cycle have been improved. According to Intel, Skylake-X will see an up-to 8% perfofmance increase in IPC. It’s always hard to tell how correct that number is, as Intel can simply increase clock frequencies to get IPC up
There's a logic conflict in this statement. You can't increase IPC by raising clocks when the IPC is performance measure per clock-cycle. In reality Intel has tried to avoid revealing its CPU generations hardly increase the IPC by raising the clocks. A frequency increase is free performance if the processor can handle it, so it's the best for the manufacturer.
IPC has been improved meaning the number of instructions per clock-cycle have been improved. According to Intel, Skylake-X will see an up-to 8% perfofmance increase in IPC. It’s always hard to tell how correct that number is, as Intel can simply increase clock frequencies to get IPC up
There's a logic conflict in this statement. You can't increase IPC by raising clocks when the IPC is performance measure per clock-cycle. In reality Intel has tried to avoid revealing its CPU generations hardly increase the IPC by raising the clocks. A frequency increase is free performance if the processor can handle it, so it's the best for the manufacturer.
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#5439274 Posted on: 06/05/2017 09:25 AM
Correct, I have just rewritten that paragraph.
There's a logic conflict in this statement. You can't increase IPC by raising clocks when the IPC is performance measure per clock-cycle. In reality Intel has tried to avoid revealing its CPU generations hardly increase the IPC by raising the clocks. A frequency increase is free performance if the processor can handle it, so it's the best for the manufacturer.
Correct, I have just rewritten that paragraph.
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#5439276 Posted on: 06/05/2017 09:33 AM
Have you seen Linus's video on X299/Kaby-Lake X? He basically explains how it's all a mess from intels part. An actually good video from him over a long time.
Intel is in major panic mode and are shooting themselves in the foot.
The really bad part is basically only that Kaby Lake X is a thing. Its an odd thing to have and unclear who would really want to buy it. If it wouldn't exist, the tone would be entirely different.
So.. why not just ignore it exists and move on?
The i9s and the x299 platform are still good despite this, even if the religious following of Linus would have you believe otherwise. ThreadRipper is not the ultimate answer to everything, it has its own challenges, but noone is talking about those yet. Competition is always good.
Have you seen Linus's video on X299/Kaby-Lake X? He basically explains how it's all a mess from intels part. An actually good video from him over a long time.
Intel is in major panic mode and are shooting themselves in the foot.
The really bad part is basically only that Kaby Lake X is a thing. Its an odd thing to have and unclear who would really want to buy it. If it wouldn't exist, the tone would be entirely different.
So.. why not just ignore it exists and move on?
The i9s and the x299 platform are still good despite this, even if the religious following of Linus would have you believe otherwise. ThreadRipper is not the ultimate answer to everything, it has its own challenges, but noone is talking about those yet. Competition is always good.
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#5439279 Posted on: 06/05/2017 09:45 AM
This platform was a result of some things.
One of them was the need for rush to release something to compete with Threadripper.
The other is Intel's pricing politics.
For such a price this platform is half baked at least.
The good news is that this year the CPU market will finally see some competition after almost a decade of stagnation.
and very disapointed by the 2066 line:
-you have the same CPU than in 2011 v3
-the same number of core (including Xeon to pair i9)
-the same price + 400 Euro
so... Why change from X99 , C2** to this one???
I guess Intel have get the old AMD's communication service
let's see at release and let a year to mature.
This platform was a result of some things.
One of them was the need for rush to release something to compete with Threadripper.
The other is Intel's pricing politics.
For such a price this platform is half baked at least.
The good news is that this year the CPU market will finally see some competition after almost a decade of stagnation.
and very disapointed by the 2066 line:
-you have the same CPU than in 2011 v3
-the same number of core (including Xeon to pair i9)
-the same price + 400 Euro
so... Why change from X99 , C2** to this one???
I guess Intel have get the old AMD's communication service
let's see at release and let a year to mature.
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#5439283 Posted on: 06/05/2017 10:22 AM
Is it just me or is it odd that you now have to buy a 7900x 10 core cpu to get 44 gen3 pcie lanes
But in 2013 with a 4930k 6 core you got 40 gen3 pcie lanes
This seems a little backwards to me you now pay $1000 for what you used to get for $600
If the chart is correct
Is it just me or is it odd that you now have to buy a 7900x 10 core cpu to get 44 gen3 pcie lanes
But in 2013 with a 4930k 6 core you got 40 gen3 pcie lanes
This seems a little backwards to me you now pay $1000 for what you used to get for $600
If the chart is correct
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#5439304 Posted on: 06/05/2017 11:16 AM
This lineup appears like chaos dreamed up by a confused marketing department.
If Intel abandoned the EU press then chances are AMD will get more coverage there. If that press needs to rely on e-shops to get review samples then Intel shouldn't be surprised when they get less attention.
This lineup appears like chaos dreamed up by a confused marketing department.
If Intel abandoned the EU press then chances are AMD will get more coverage there. If that press needs to rely on e-shops to get review samples then Intel shouldn't be surprised when they get less attention.
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#5439314 Posted on: 06/05/2017 11:37 AM
If Intel abandoned the EU press then chances are AMD will get more coverage there. If that press needs to rely on e-shops to get review samples then Intel shouldn't be surprised when they get less attention.
They dropped the ball because they could afford it and because digging deeper into the Intel Core CPUs reveals how little they change from generation to generation. So, because they sell anyway and have a good reputation (aside from the price), it's beneficial for Intel if really expert reviews don't appear at all.
and very disapointed by the 2066 line:
-you have the same CPU than in 2011 v3
-the same number of core (including Xeon to pair i9)
-the same price + 400 Euro
so... Why change from X99 , C2** to this one???
The Skylake-X 10C/20T is significantly cheaper compared to the old flagship, yet should also be somewhat faster. Still, it wouldn't make much sense to switch those, but if somebody has now for example a 6C X99, the 10C X299 would definitely rock hard. Not to mention if you have a pesky 4C mainstream Intel, these Skylake-Xs would be an excellent upgrade.
All in all the worth of these depends on what you are coming from. Of course they also allow lolptane, should one find it worth the money.
If Intel abandoned the EU press then chances are AMD will get more coverage there. If that press needs to rely on e-shops to get review samples then Intel shouldn't be surprised when they get less attention.
They dropped the ball because they could afford it and because digging deeper into the Intel Core CPUs reveals how little they change from generation to generation. So, because they sell anyway and have a good reputation (aside from the price), it's beneficial for Intel if really expert reviews don't appear at all.
and very disapointed by the 2066 line:
-you have the same CPU than in 2011 v3
-the same number of core (including Xeon to pair i9)
-the same price + 400 Euro
so... Why change from X99 , C2** to this one???
The Skylake-X 10C/20T is significantly cheaper compared to the old flagship, yet should also be somewhat faster. Still, it wouldn't make much sense to switch those, but if somebody has now for example a 6C X99, the 10C X299 would definitely rock hard. Not to mention if you have a pesky 4C mainstream Intel, these Skylake-Xs would be an excellent upgrade.
All in all the worth of these depends on what you are coming from. Of course they also allow lolptane, should one find it worth the money.
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#5439315 Posted on: 06/05/2017 11:39 AM
The other wildly annoying thing I have no doubt Intel will persist in doing is not lowering X99 prices (at least not much), the more I read about X299, the more disinterested I become.
The other wildly annoying thing I have no doubt Intel will persist in doing is not lowering X99 prices (at least not much), the more I read about X299, the more disinterested I become.
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#5439318 Posted on: 06/05/2017 11:49 AM
This is kinda ridiculous. I too was wondering that nothing mostly is changed?
And Intel is just making "noise" to try and "hide" and make us(consumers) not notice that they are actually running in circles.
I put up my 6700k@4.6@1.31v with my lovely ASUS M8H for sale.
For the R5 1600X@$249! Sweet processor and I will even pocket around $100. lol
Or the 1700X(only small price diff vs 1700) but 6c/12t(1600X) would do fine too.
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The Skylake-X 10C/20T is significantly cheaper compared to the old way-overpriced flagship,.......
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Fixed.
This is kinda ridiculous. I too was wondering that nothing mostly is changed?
And Intel is just making "noise" to try and "hide" and make us(consumers) not notice that they are actually running in circles.
I put up my 6700k@4.6@1.31v with my lovely ASUS M8H for sale.
For the R5 1600X@$249! Sweet processor and I will even pocket around $100. lol
Or the 1700X(only small price diff vs 1700) but 6c/12t(1600X) would do fine too.
.........
.........
The Skylake-X 10C/20T is significantly cheaper compared to the old way-overpriced flagship,.......
.........
Fixed.
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#5439322 Posted on: 06/05/2017 12:00 PM
This is kinda ridiculous. I too was wondering that nothing mostly is changed?
And Intel is just making "noise" to try and "hide" and make us(consumers) not notice that they are actually running in circles.
Until Intel starts to see a serious decline in their sales from consumer CPUs, they are not going to change anything! They want profit, like all other companies, and if they can get it without changing anything, then they will continue to do it.
Yes, i know it´s a sad thing for consumers but that´s how things work...
This is kinda ridiculous. I too was wondering that nothing mostly is changed?
And Intel is just making "noise" to try and "hide" and make us(consumers) not notice that they are actually running in circles.
Until Intel starts to see a serious decline in their sales from consumer CPUs, they are not going to change anything! They want profit, like all other companies, and if they can get it without changing anything, then they will continue to do it.
Yes, i know it´s a sad thing for consumers but that´s how things work...
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#5439331 Posted on: 06/05/2017 12:24 PM
As much as I don't like the hearsay on the OC headroom it doesn't hold a candle to how stupid at this point the artificial PCIe limits Intel decided to place on the 6 and 8 core parts.
As much as I don't like the hearsay on the OC headroom it doesn't hold a candle to how stupid at this point the artificial PCIe limits Intel decided to place on the 6 and 8 core parts.
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#5439337 Posted on: 06/05/2017 12:39 PM
This lineup appears like chaos dreamed up by a confused marketing department.
If Intel abandoned the EU press then chances are AMD will get more coverage there. If that press needs to rely on e-shops to get review samples then Intel shouldn't be surprised when they get less attention.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1rXqD6M614
This lineup appears like chaos dreamed up by a confused marketing department.
If Intel abandoned the EU press then chances are AMD will get more coverage there. If that press needs to rely on e-shops to get review samples then Intel shouldn't be surprised when they get less attention.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1rXqD6M614
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No USB 3.1 (without third party chips) on the x299? Well can't say i didn't predict that i guess. Wonder if Intel knows its 2017.
Also, i love intels randomness(sarcasm). I mean, from 8 core to 10 core, they are charging you 400 extra dollars for those 2 cores. Yet from 10 core to 12 core, they are charging you 200 extra dollars for those 2 cores. Then its another 200, then 300, then 300, down the line, per 2 cores extra. Now i know you could say "well there's more to it then that, there's extra PCI-Express lanes between the 8 and 10 core". Ok sure, but that's just a cop out to charge us more......