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#5378720 Posted on: 01/06/2017 09:04 AM
What if the card demo'ed was VEGA but a mid-range version?
What if the card demo'ed was VEGA but a mid-range version?
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#5378721 Posted on: 01/06/2017 09:11 AM
It's "OpenGL" in the sense that Vulkan will be OpenGL's successor but beyond that they have little to nothing in common outside of being an open API that's cross-system-compatible.
Vulkan games could natively run on Linux, much like OpenGL brethren unlike DX counterparts. No emulation or black box reverse engineering necessary.
That said, Vulkan may also turn into "OpenGL 2" where it loses to DX so heavy handed that it'll sink into obscurity. It's another chance for developers and the market to remove proprietary DX and Windows enforcement, insofar Vulkan will be implementation friendly and competitive enough.
Going by the titles with Vulkan implementations (Doom & Dota 2 for instance) it certainly does show up (very) strong - all the more so on AMD cards when compared to DX11. That however also applies to most 'proper' DX12 titles.
Anyway, Mantle forced MS' hand to show up with DX12. If Mantle didn't come to live we might still be on the "DX11 forever" for eternity train. That perhaps would've suited Intel just fine with their "4 cores forever" policy I bet.
Beyond Valve and ID Software who were always quite open to open standards (i.e OpenGL) I'm not quite sure whether or not many, if any, will adapt Vulkan long term. At least there's hope.
AMD gave Mantle to Khronos Group, who then used it to create Vulkan.
It's "OpenGL" in the sense that Vulkan will be OpenGL's successor but beyond that they have little to nothing in common outside of being an open API that's cross-system-compatible.
Vulkan games could natively run on Linux, much like OpenGL brethren unlike DX counterparts. No emulation or black box reverse engineering necessary.
That said, Vulkan may also turn into "OpenGL 2" where it loses to DX so heavy handed that it'll sink into obscurity. It's another chance for developers and the market to remove proprietary DX and Windows enforcement, insofar Vulkan will be implementation friendly and competitive enough.
Going by the titles with Vulkan implementations (Doom & Dota 2 for instance) it certainly does show up (very) strong - all the more so on AMD cards when compared to DX11. That however also applies to most 'proper' DX12 titles.
Anyway, Mantle forced MS' hand to show up with DX12. If Mantle didn't come to live we might still be on the "DX11 forever" for eternity train. That perhaps would've suited Intel just fine with their "4 cores forever" policy I bet.
Beyond Valve and ID Software who were always quite open to open standards (i.e OpenGL) I'm not quite sure whether or not many, if any, will adapt Vulkan long term. At least there's hope.
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#5378739 Posted on: 01/06/2017 10:34 AM
My question is how much of all the new hardware features rely on software? Async compute was in the R9 290 and is barely used 4years later. Will buying Vega mean we get to utilise say, 70% of it true potential and the remaining is unlocked by well written code at a much later date?
I'd like AMD to demo the benefits of all these new feature. Its easy to confuse people with tech-speak.
My question is how much of all the new hardware features rely on software? Async compute was in the R9 290 and is barely used 4years later. Will buying Vega mean we get to utilise say, 70% of it true potential and the remaining is unlocked by well written code at a much later date?
I'd like AMD to demo the benefits of all these new feature. Its easy to confuse people with tech-speak.
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#5378748 Posted on: 01/06/2017 11:23 AM
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New features like ACompute come with new APIs. There is not going to be anything new in the next years, except of already established, non-mandatory and not much supported SM6.
All of the "tech-speak" was about improving effectivity, utilization and performance of the GPU. And that is actually all that matters. Gaming GPUs are getting old because of speed, not because of missing feature sets. Just check benchmarks, check price and you are fine.
TBH even all those talks about what tech is better, whether AMD or NVIDIA are just for fun of it. It doesn't really matter... all comes down to speed vs price.
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New features like ACompute come with new APIs. There is not going to be anything new in the next years, except of already established, non-mandatory and not much supported SM6.
All of the "tech-speak" was about improving effectivity, utilization and performance of the GPU. And that is actually all that matters. Gaming GPUs are getting old because of speed, not because of missing feature sets. Just check benchmarks, check price and you are fine.
TBH even all those talks about what tech is better, whether AMD or NVIDIA are just for fun of it. It doesn't really matter... all comes down to speed vs price.
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AMD gave Mantle to Khronos Group, who then used it to create Vulkan.