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Please Read: Faulty F5 BIOS Update For Ryzen Gigabyte Aorus AX370 Gaming K7 motherboard
Recently Gigabyte released F5 BIOS updates for their AMD Ryzen motherboards. Early reports came in last week already, but there more and more reports that there is a nasty issue with that BIOS, overheating the platform and processor specifically on the Aorus AX370 Gaming K7.
Basically the F5 BIOS applies a dynamic core voltage that is way too high towards the Ryzen processor. There have been instances reported that where 1.2 Volts was needed, that 1.7 volts got delivered. So likely they mis-directed the voltage offset of 0.05 at 0.5 mV. A user-case example of this resulted into a Ryzen 7 1800X proc dying.
Gigabyte detected and corrected the issue quickjly after they learned about it, a new series F6 BIOS is available. However, if you have installed the BIOS and are not awar of the issue, this might be a big thing. If you have the F5 BIOS installed, please do upgrade to the F6 version immediately. It seems that best sold board is the Gigabyte Aorus AX370 Gaming K7 and that is the one affected, please grab that new BIOS here.
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#5469103 Posted on: 09/04/2017 08:30 AM
That is the risk you assume when testing a Beta BIOS over a new platform.
That is the risk you assume when testing a Beta BIOS over a new platform.
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#5469107 Posted on: 09/04/2017 08:34 AM
This i why i never update Bios, drivers, OS asap.
Usually I wait week or little more before i do that. If user feedback is positive then i am updating
This i why i never update Bios, drivers, OS asap.
Usually I wait week or little more before i do that. If user feedback is positive then i am updating
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#5469113 Posted on: 09/04/2017 08:45 AM
That was not a beta BIOS, it was F5 !
That is the risk you assume when testing a Beta BIOS over a new platform.
That was not a beta BIOS, it was F5 !
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#5469121 Posted on: 09/04/2017 09:25 AM
Gigabyte has been slipping in quality the last few years.
Bad/poor VRMs in comparison with the competition and buggy BIOSes.
On the AM4 platform their boards are just crap. Seems they care more about RGB leds lately than actual features and quality.
Gigabyte has been slipping in quality the last few years.
Bad/poor VRMs in comparison with the competition and buggy BIOSes.
On the AM4 platform their boards are just crap. Seems they care more about RGB leds lately than actual features and quality.
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#5469130 Posted on: 09/04/2017 10:04 AM
Do correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Gigabyte kind of famous, or infamous, for releasing newer revisions of boards after launch with actually cheaper components?
Ie. rev 1.0 is usually the best, later revisions might be worse. Never had a GB board myself, always used only Asus and, as of late, ASRock.
I had one GB graphics card for a while, bought second hand for a SLI setup, and it was fine while it lasted (resold).
Do correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Gigabyte kind of famous, or infamous, for releasing newer revisions of boards after launch with actually cheaper components?
Ie. rev 1.0 is usually the best, later revisions might be worse. Never had a GB board myself, always used only Asus and, as of late, ASRock.
I had one GB graphics card for a while, bought second hand for a SLI setup, and it was fine while it lasted (resold).
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#5469159 Posted on: 09/04/2017 11:36 AM
This is a major fuckup I'd say.
That's why I always bought Asus: my Pentium 4 board died with 2 years and a half, after 3 months of wait they sent me the repaired board. It's been +14 years now and still works.
My i5 2500k have been running on an Asus MB since 2011 without issue too.
My thoughts are: you can cheap out on MB version, but don't cheap out on the MB vendor!
This is a major fuckup I'd say.
That's why I always bought Asus: my Pentium 4 board died with 2 years and a half, after 3 months of wait they sent me the repaired board. It's been +14 years now and still works.
My i5 2500k have been running on an Asus MB since 2011 without issue too.
My thoughts are: you can cheap out on MB version, but don't cheap out on the MB vendor!
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#5469166 Posted on: 09/04/2017 12:05 PM
Yeah, not cool at all, glad I didn't update it right after it was uploaded.
Somehow my last three boards turned out to be Gigabyte provided me with best price/feature combination. Also, had a 1155 motherboard for 5years which I bought second hand, was overclocked to the max all those years, worked like a champ. Sold it after 5 years for more than I paid for it back then. Also, had MSI 990X and Asrock higher end boards which served me excellently. So from my experience I came to a conclusion that you can cheap out of MB vendor as long as it's higher end board.
Yeah, not cool at all, glad I didn't update it right after it was uploaded.
Somehow my last three boards turned out to be Gigabyte provided me with best price/feature combination. Also, had a 1155 motherboard for 5years which I bought second hand, was overclocked to the max all those years, worked like a champ. Sold it after 5 years for more than I paid for it back then. Also, had MSI 990X and Asrock higher end boards which served me excellently. So from my experience I came to a conclusion that you can cheap out of MB vendor as long as it's higher end board.
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#5469168 Posted on: 09/04/2017 12:10 PM
I have a similar problem with asus rog crosshair vi hero and 1800x cpu, when the CPU CORE BOOST in bios is ON my pc became unstable on rendering and gaming, CPU Vcore voltage spike up to 1.55 v so I had to turn it off for have a stable pc so without overclocking i stock at 3.6 ghz
and i use wrait max cooler so i think it's better i stay away from overclocking...now my cpu vcore voltages on highest point is 1.245 V 3.6 ghz
I have a similar problem with asus rog crosshair vi hero and 1800x cpu, when the CPU CORE BOOST in bios is ON my pc became unstable on rendering and gaming, CPU Vcore voltage spike up to 1.55 v so I had to turn it off for have a stable pc so without overclocking i stock at 3.6 ghz
and i use wrait max cooler so i think it's better i stay away from overclocking...now my cpu vcore voltages on highest point is 1.245 V 3.6 ghz
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#5469188 Posted on: 09/04/2017 01:09 PM
You updated your BIOS?
I have a similar problem with asus rog crosshair vi hero and 1800x cpu, when the CPU CORE BOOST in bios is ON my pc became unstable on rendering and gaming, CPU Vcore voltage spike up to 1.55 v so I had to turn it off for have a stable pc so without overclocking i stock at 3.6 ghz and i use wrait max cooler so i think it's better i stay away from overclocking...now my cpu vcore voltages on highest point is 1.245 V 3.6 ghz
and i use wrait max cooler so i think it's better i stay away from overclocking...now my cpu vcore voltages on highest point is 1.245 V 3.6 ghzYou updated your BIOS?
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#5469190 Posted on: 09/04/2017 01:23 PM
With stock settings my 1600x vcore goes over 1.5v as well, but fortunately it doesn't cause any instability or temperature issues. I was very surprised about the voltage spikes in the beginning and started browsing forums to seek for an answer. What I found out is that a lot of people were reporting same observations so maybe there is an actual issue with your hardware?
I have a similar problem with asus rog crosshair vi hero and 1800x cpu, when the CPU CORE BOOST in bios is ON my pc became unstable on rendering and gaming, CPU Vcore voltage spike up to 1.55 v so I had to turn it off for have a stable pc so without overclocking i stock at 3.6 ghz and i use wrait max cooler so i think it's better i stay away from overclocking...now my cpu vcore voltages on highest point is 1.245 V 3.6 ghz
and i use wrait max cooler so i think it's better i stay away from overclocking...now my cpu vcore voltages on highest point is 1.245 V 3.6 ghzWith stock settings my 1600x vcore goes over 1.5v as well, but fortunately it doesn't cause any instability or temperature issues. I was very surprised about the voltage spikes in the beginning and started browsing forums to seek for an answer. What I found out is that a lot of people were reporting same observations so maybe there is an actual issue with your hardware?
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#5469209 Posted on: 09/04/2017 02:14 PM
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possibly there is an issue but for right now i'm ok with it, I could play most of the games on high settings and I am amused by rendering ability of ryzen but I'm not sure of the performance in future games because of my problem.
my cinebench r15.0 score is 1537 @ 3.6 GHz after two or there bench with all of the background apps closed (so it basically acts like a1700x ) and best overclock that i could get out of it is 3.7 ghz with wrait max cooler (cinebench r15.0 score 1600) but i don't remember the voltages (i think it wasn't reasonable so i run it at stcock 3.6ghz)
With stock settings my 1600x vcore goes over 1.5v as well, but fortunately it doesn't cause any instability or temperature issues. I was very surprised about the voltage spikes in the beginning and started browsing forums to seek for an answer. What I found out is that a lot of people were reporting same observations so maybe there is an actual issue with your hardware?
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possibly there is an issue but for right now i'm ok with it, I could play most of the games on high settings and I am amused by rendering ability of ryzen but I'm not sure of the performance in future games because of my problem.
my cinebench r15.0 score is 1537 @ 3.6 GHz after two or there bench with all of the background apps closed (so it basically acts like a1700x
) and best overclock that i could get out of it is 3.7 ghz with wrait max cooler (cinebench r15.0 score 1600) but i don't remember the voltages (i think it wasn't reasonable so i run it at stcock 3.6ghz)
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#5469211 Posted on: 09/04/2017 02:29 PM
Yes it's the latest 1501, I update it two days ago and I test it on CPU CORE BOOST ON it was better this time voltage doesn't spike as high as 1.55 V but it does go up to 1.48V so i turned it off again
even with these problems I love performance of ryzen, at the time other ryzen 8 cores wasn't available so i had to buy 1800x probably i would go with 1700 or 1700x for lower price so i could buy a LIQUID COOLER ...my highest temp with 5 case fan in full load aida 64 test is 74 C (with sensemi turn off from bios)
You updated your BIOS?
Yes it's the latest 1501, I update it two days ago and I test it on CPU CORE BOOST ON it was better this time voltage doesn't spike as high as 1.55 V but it does go up to 1.48V so i turned it off again
even with these problems I love performance of ryzen, at the time other ryzen 8 cores wasn't available so i had to buy 1800x probably i would go with 1700 or 1700x for lower price so i could buy a LIQUID COOLER ...my highest temp with 5 case fan in full load aida 64 test is 74 C (with sensemi turn off from bios)
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#5469219 Posted on: 09/04/2017 02:50 PM
Gigabyte has been slipping in quality the last few years.
Bad/poor VRMs in comparison with the competition and buggy BIOSes.
True and this seems to be confirmed again and again lately. Too bad, I had loads of Gigabyte motherboards/gpus in the past. Hopefully they will get their stuff straight or else they might end up badly.
Gigabyte has been slipping in quality the last few years.
Bad/poor VRMs in comparison with the competition and buggy BIOSes.
True and this seems to be confirmed again and again lately. Too bad, I had loads of Gigabyte motherboards/gpus in the past. Hopefully they will get their stuff straight or else they might end up badly.
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#5469222 Posted on: 09/04/2017 02:59 PM
My last 2 motherboards has been Gigabyte my older was the GA-MA770-UD3 and its been flawless and still works very well, gave it to a friend when i upgraded. My current one is the 990 FXA-UD3 and no issues so far, both with the latest bios versions. But sure this isnt good and i dont really get how this wasnt noticed before they released it, though same things have happened with Nvidia drivers a while ago if im not mistaken, driver caused cards to overclock and overheat. In any case i usually dont update right away until i read some feedback on the drivers/bios versions
My last 2 motherboards has been Gigabyte my older was the GA-MA770-UD3 and its been flawless and still works very well, gave it to a friend when i upgraded. My current one is the 990 FXA-UD3 and no issues so far, both with the latest bios versions. But sure this isnt good and i dont really get how this wasnt noticed before they released it, though same things have happened with Nvidia drivers a while ago if im not mistaken, driver caused cards to overclock and overheat. In any case i usually dont update right away until i read some feedback on the drivers/bios versions
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So how does that work, would Gigabyte buy you a new processor if yours gets fried because of their faulty BIOS?
And I just bought a Ryzen mainboard from them, not feeling comfortable now :/