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Photos and specifications of AMD 'Picasso' Ryzen 3 3200G Leaked
AMD's new APU generation, codenamed Picasso seem to be making their way towards the desktop PC platform. The 12 nm refresh of the APU was launched at the beginning of January 2019 for notebooks, and later as a Pro solution. Now there are first photos of these APUS that seem to be released as Ryzen 3 3200.
These specifications are not rather different from the Ryzen 2 2200G, which has a clock frequency of 3.5 GHz and a boost frequency of 3.7 GHz, the internal Vega 8 GPU runs at 1.100 MHz. Meanwhile, TUM_APISAK on Reddit mentions that he has found a benchmark of the Ryzen 3 3200G, where the processor has a base clock of 3.6 GHz and a boost frequency of 3.9 GHz. The GPU would run at a clock frequency of 1,250 MHz. The 3200G would be quadcore APU with four threads.
The move from Zen to 14nm to Zen+ to 12nm brings marginal architectural improvements to cache and memory controllers, but does not impact overall performance as much as the increased clock. A number of photos of this desktop APU have appeared online at Chiphell clearly showing "Ryzen 3 3200", they also show a delid of this APU.
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#5662103 Posted on: 04/22/2019 12:27 PM
I though it gonna have Navi gpu.
I though it gonna have Navi gpu.
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#5662119 Posted on: 04/22/2019 01:24 PM
Me too, it could still be in there though... Time will tell, 4c/4t doesn't fit with the chiplet design so this is new and can still include a little navi lovin
Me too, it could still be in there though... Time will tell, 4c/4t doesn't fit with the chiplet design so this is new and can still include a little navi lovin
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#5662180 Posted on: 04/22/2019 04:55 PM
Although Zen+ based and not Zen2 arch = means better overclockability , nonetheless good news.
Although Zen+ based and not Zen2 arch = means better overclockability , nonetheless good news.
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#5662184 Posted on: 04/22/2019 05:01 PM
When was it suspected that Zen+ APUs would have Navi?
I've heard of rumors that Zen 2 APUs will have Navi, but we won't see those until next year with the 4000 series.
APUs and laptop processors are always once process behind.
When was it suspected that Zen+ APUs would have Navi?
I've heard of rumors that Zen 2 APUs will have Navi, but we won't see those until next year with the 4000 series.
APUs and laptop processors are always once process behind.
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#5662311 Posted on: 04/23/2019 02:10 AM
its actually a bit bothering that amd are using last gen on their apu's while using next gen part numbering.
its actually a bit bothering that amd are using last gen on their apu's while using next gen part numbering.
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#5662313 Posted on: 04/23/2019 02:12 AM
Agreed. When i stated this in another thread people said it didn't matter. I very much disagree.
its actually a bit bothering that amd are using last gen on their apu's while using next gen part numbering.
Agreed. When i stated this in another thread people said it didn't matter. I very much disagree.
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#5662315 Posted on: 04/23/2019 02:20 AM
I say they're too accustomed to being bent over by intel.
I say they're too accustomed to being bent over by intel.
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#5662333 Posted on: 04/23/2019 03:49 AM
I believe the reason for using last get on the APU's has alot to do with the igpu being used and yields they have to balance everything to offer a compelling product and price points that allows them to make money. And as for the CPU difference between 14nm and 12nm is practically nonexistent the only thing that really changed was the memory support which if I remember correctly they where able to already implement onto the APU's befor they launched. Oh and I have a 1600 and 2600 and my experience tells me there is extremely small differences.
I believe the reason for using last get on the APU's has alot to do with the igpu being used and yields they have to balance everything to offer a compelling product and price points that allows them to make money. And as for the CPU difference between 14nm and 12nm is practically nonexistent the only thing that really changed was the memory support which if I remember correctly they where able to already implement onto the APU's befor they launched. Oh and I have a 1600 and 2600 and my experience tells me there is extremely small differences.
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#5662446 Posted on: 04/23/2019 12:52 PM
This is largely a post of absolute freaking nonsense, that tells me either you're lying about owning a 2600 & 1600, or have utterly failed in a most epic fashion in your testing & comparing them.
On just a pure fabrication process level, the transition from 14nm to 12nm boosted the maximum possible clock-speed by 300-350MHz (4GHz to 4.35GHz for mainstream Ryzen, & 4.1 to 4.4GHz for HEDT), and the maximum possible overclock by just as much (3.8 - 4.1GHz for 14nm to 4.1 to 4.4GHz for 12nm ).
And the transition from Zen to Zen+ brought equally great, if not even more important changes via, first & foremost a single-thread IPC bump of 3% thanks to reduced cache & memory latencies across the board (which can have a much larger impact in latency sensitive workloads like high framerate, CPU-bound gaming, than the general 3% IPC improvement would suggest).
And perhaps just as important is the introduction of the totally revamped "Precision Boost 2" clock boosting algorithm which is such a MASSIVE improvement over the OG Precision Boost on 14nm Zen that it simply cannot be understated. Performance in mid-thread count workloads when running w/o a manual all-core OC (which disables PB/PB2) is TREMENDOUSLY improved on 2nd Gen, to the point of being absolutely starkly night & day. And the introduction of "Precision Boost Overdrive" w/ 2nd Gen as well, allows one to "overclock" one's CPU past stock settings/performance WITHOUT disabling this incredibly smart boosting algorithm & losing all of the significant benefits that come with it.
You might not have noticed that I didn't even MENTION the improved IMC & thus memory support, just like you didn't notice a difference between the R5 1600 & 2600; but trying to pretend that means you can state there isn't one (or at least one that's notable) is simply freaking absurd.
I believe the reason for using last get on the APU's has alot to do with the igpu being used and yields they have to balance everything to offer a compelling product and price points that allows them to make money. And as for the CPU difference between 14nm and 12nm is practically nonexistent the only thing that really changed was the memory support which if I remember correctly they where able to already implement onto the APU's befor they launched. Oh and I have a 1600 and 2600 and my experience tells me there is extremely small differences.
This is largely a post of absolute freaking nonsense, that tells me either you're lying about owning a 2600 & 1600, or have utterly failed in a most epic fashion in your testing & comparing them.
On just a pure fabrication process level, the transition from 14nm to 12nm boosted the maximum possible clock-speed by 300-350MHz (4GHz to 4.35GHz for mainstream Ryzen, & 4.1 to 4.4GHz for HEDT), and the maximum possible overclock by just as much (3.8 - 4.1GHz for 14nm to 4.1 to 4.4GHz for 12nm ).
And the transition from Zen to Zen+ brought equally great, if not even more important changes via, first & foremost a single-thread IPC bump of 3% thanks to reduced cache & memory latencies across the board (which can have a much larger impact in latency sensitive workloads like high framerate, CPU-bound gaming, than the general 3% IPC improvement would suggest).
And perhaps just as important is the introduction of the totally revamped "Precision Boost 2" clock boosting algorithm which is such a MASSIVE improvement over the OG Precision Boost on 14nm Zen that it simply cannot be understated. Performance in mid-thread count workloads when running w/o a manual all-core OC (which disables PB/PB2) is TREMENDOUSLY improved on 2nd Gen, to the point of being absolutely starkly night & day. And the introduction of "Precision Boost Overdrive" w/ 2nd Gen as well, allows one to "overclock" one's CPU past stock settings/performance WITHOUT disabling this incredibly smart boosting algorithm & losing all of the significant benefits that come with it.
You might not have noticed that I didn't even MENTION the improved IMC & thus memory support, just like you didn't notice a difference between the R5 1600 & 2600; but trying to pretend that means you can state there isn't one (or at least one that's notable) is simply freaking absurd.
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No chiplets for this then... Still can't wait to see these running as much as the high end stuffs