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Phones and Wi-Fi, according to scientists, can induce Alzheimer disease
Per a recent study, our cell phones and excessive exposure to Wi-Fi radiation may have a role in the early stages of Alzheimer's disease.
According to a news release regarding the findings, the majority of experts think that Alzheimer's disease is caused by an abnormal accumulation of calcium in the brain. According to the study, electromagnetic fields (EMF) may contribute to the calcium accumulation. Energy of this sort is released by gadgets such as cell phones.
“Electromagnetic fields act through time-varying electrical spikes and magnetic forces on a nanosecond scale. Any one of these can produce anyone's worst nightmare: extremely early-onset Alzheimer's disease," said study author Martin Pall of Washington State University. In addition, he states that young people who are exposed to "radiation from cell phones or Wi-Fi" for many hours a day are at risk of developing "digital dementia."
Electromagnetic fields have been connected to health concerns in the past. While the National Cancer Institute states that a relationship between EMFs and cancer is improbable and that typical levels of EMFs have no effect on people, Healthline reports that other, more prevalent ailments have been linked to EMFs, such as irritation, headaches, and sleeplessness.
The link between Alzheimer's disease and cell phones is still being studied, albeit not as thoroughly as it should be, as it is now a secondary issue, perhaps even sinister, that it is not studied more thoroughly, given the widespread use of mobile devices, which should be sufficient to warrant further investigation.
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#6014469 Posted on: 05/04/2022 02:12 PM
Note, getting a wifi 6 router will shorten your life by 13 minutes rather than wifi 5.
As long as you hide behind a wall.
But that causes attenuation of the signal and drop out !
Decisions decisions.
I look forward to Hilberts next wifi router review. I hope he can take this into account, maybe even do a graph of it ????
Note, getting a wifi 6 router will shorten your life by 13 minutes rather than wifi 5.
As long as you hide behind a wall.
But that causes attenuation of the signal and drop out !
Decisions decisions.
I look forward to Hilberts next wifi router review. I hope he can take this into account, maybe even do a graph of it ????
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#6014471 Posted on: 05/04/2022 02:17 PM
The main story, the one linked to here had a reference story.
You then link to same said site that had an anecdotal story and equate an anecdotal story to a researched story; being like 'I got them'.
You then go on with.
So you try and disparage a professor of Biochemistry because of his age, then use your grandmother as a point of mocking.
Your accomplishments being?
And you would be right linking other research that says something different, but dismissing this as to not be looked at or not wanting others to asks questions is well strange.
People can judge my replies against your own.
I've put some science across. Yours seems to be just defending the original argument because you are part of it.
Note I don't want to get into an argument with HH and crew because I enjoy this site and don't want to be banned.
BUT THIS IS A BATSHIT NON SCIENTIFIC STUPID STORY THAT HAS NO PLACE HERE.
Just saying.
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The main story, the one linked to here had a reference story.
You then link to same said site that had an anecdotal story and equate an anecdotal story to a researched story; being like 'I got them'.
You then go on with.
So you try and disparage a professor of Biochemistry because of his age, then use your grandmother as a point of mocking.
Your accomplishments being?
And you would be right linking other research that says something different, but dismissing this as to not be looked at or not wanting others to asks questions is well strange.
People can judge my replies against your own.
I've put some science across. Yours seems to be just defending the original argument because you are part of it.
Note I don't want to get into an argument with HH and crew because I enjoy this site and don't want to be banned.
BUT THIS IS A BATSHIT NON SCIENTIFIC STUPID STORY THAT HAS NO PLACE HERE.
Just saying.
Andy
BSc in Astronomy and Geology and MSc in Computer Studies.
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#6014494 Posted on: 05/04/2022 03:09 PM
Why?
The amount of EMF even over the last 5 years has been massive. But no massive increase in cancers etc.
EMF builds up Calcium, calcium makes Dementia.
That sentence alone shows that this is a crank. There simply is not enough evidence for the first or second to cause any issues with EMF.
The link between the two is Will o the wisp
I'm surprised people on here give it any credence. Need to put your rigorous science hats on !
Why? Because it's interesting and possibly relevant, that's good enough reason in my books.
The EMF builds up calcium, calcium makes dementia is not really stated in the paper (I didn't read the source article because I don't really expect some tech article to understand how to read a scientific review)
The actual connection is EMF induces calcium dysregulation via voltage induction across voltage dependent calcium channels (There's a few referenced articles there but I'm not sure i have the knowledge of the techniques to critique them, but them seem relatively solid in their given environment), calcium dysregulation has been shown to be involved in AD pathways.
The authors point is specific types of EMF, specifically pulses are what affect VDCC with a dose dependent effect, which is appears to be displayed in rats under controlled conditions, whether or not that translates to humans remains to be seen. (and more rigorous testing can always show the original result was)
But yes, the main take away is that we've flooded our lives with EMF for the last 20 years and we don't see an increase in AD that would correlate, so even if he is right, it's probably a contributor at most.
Quite frankly the amount of money that goes into AD research is insane and has had very little payoff in terms of prevention or cure, research into other areas may lead to new therapies or vaccines
The goal of any scientific experiment is to disprove your hypothesis, people need to go and get disproving
Why?
The amount of EMF even over the last 5 years has been massive. But no massive increase in cancers etc.
EMF builds up Calcium, calcium makes Dementia.
That sentence alone shows that this is a crank. There simply is not enough evidence for the first or second to cause any issues with EMF.
The link between the two is Will o the wisp
I'm surprised people on here give it any credence. Need to put your rigorous science hats on !
Why? Because it's interesting and possibly relevant, that's good enough reason in my books.
The EMF builds up calcium, calcium makes dementia is not really stated in the paper (I didn't read the source article because I don't really expect some tech article to understand how to read a scientific review)
The actual connection is EMF induces calcium dysregulation via voltage induction across voltage dependent calcium channels (There's a few referenced articles there but I'm not sure i have the knowledge of the techniques to critique them, but them seem relatively solid in their given environment), calcium dysregulation has been shown to be involved in AD pathways.
The authors point is specific types of EMF, specifically pulses are what affect VDCC with a dose dependent effect, which is appears to be displayed in rats under controlled conditions, whether or not that translates to humans remains to be seen. (and more rigorous testing can always show the original result was)
But yes, the main take away is that we've flooded our lives with EMF for the last 20 years and we don't see an increase in AD that would correlate, so even if he is right, it's probably a contributor at most.
Quite frankly the amount of money that goes into AD research is insane and has had very little payoff in terms of prevention or cure, research into other areas may lead to new therapies or vaccines
The goal of any scientific experiment is to disprove your hypothesis, people need to go and get disproving
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#6014522 Posted on: 05/04/2022 04:16 PM
Note, getting a wifi 6 router will shorten your life by 13 minutes rather than wifi 5.
As long as you hide behind a wall.
But that causes attenuation of the signal and drop out !
Decisions decisions.
I look forward to Hilberts next wifi router review. I hope he can take this into account, maybe even do a graph of it ????
Purfect. I'm doomed. :p
Note, getting a wifi 6 router will shorten your life by 13 minutes rather than wifi 5.
As long as you hide behind a wall.
But that causes attenuation of the signal and drop out !
Decisions decisions.
I look forward to Hilberts next wifi router review. I hope he can take this into account, maybe even do a graph of it ????
Purfect. I'm doomed. :p
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I'm saying that quoting non scientific sites rather than the original source is a bad starting point.
That site posts scientific reviews, no matter how crank, that fits its world view. And ignores any other scientific reviews that does not.
So it is filtering even before you get to any science.
Is that a good starting point?
That is my point.
The beer story being anecdotal is bad in itself, this site has no compunction on sifting the wheat from the chaff.
Or are you saying that is ok?
The main story, the one linked to here had a reference story.
You then link to same said site that had an anecdotal story and equate an anecdotal story to a researched story; being like 'I got them'.
You then go on with.
OK, after less than 10 seconds of digging ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin-Pall
"Pall was professor of biochemistry and basic medical sciences at Washington State University (WSU) where, among other things, he researched and published on Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. He retired from that position in 2008 since when he has researched on multiple chemical sensitivity and published papers on the effect of low intensity microwave frequency electromagnetic fields (MWV-EMF) on the human body.
He has been a critic of the expansion of 5G mobile phone networks and the use of wireless technology generally, believing the technology has negative consequences for human health"
So he got old, got a bee in his bonnet and then blamed 5G for everything even though it really is just a pinprick at the moment. So he reverting back to ANY EMF, wifi, 4g, your microwave oven etc etc.
And blames it on ... calcium build up.
I'm prepared to take that risk just so I can have a better set of teeth.
Indeed, my dear old mum has Osteoporosis so I am planning to take her out this afternoon for a picnic under a 5g mast whilst making her watch Gamers Nexus using ear phones.
She'll probably say about Steve :- " That young man needs to cut his hair. It might get caught up in a 100cfm case fan "
Or something.
So you try and disparage a professor of Biochemistry because of his age, then use your grandmother as a point of mocking.
Your accomplishments being?
And you would be right linking other research that says something different, but dismissing this as to not be looked at or not wanting others to asks questions is well strange.