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Nvidia Volta going for 12nm?
First signs of the upcoming nVIDIA flagship GPU codenamed Volta already appeared a while ago with PCI device ID is 1D81 = Graphics Device [GV100], from the latest rumors Nvidia would be going 12nm with Volta.
Volta ladies and gents is a next-gen Nvidia series, perhaps still due for 2017 but not expected until maybe Q3/Q4?. Initially Volta was to be a 10nm part, however there have been numerous indications that Voltage would be done at 16nm FinFET. The latest rumor is a 12nm released.
Digitimes now reports that Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC) has landed orders for high performance computing (HPC) chips for AI applications from Nvidia and Qualcomm, respectively, according to a Chinese-language Commercial Times report.
TSMC will fabricate Nvidia's next generation Volta GPU using a 12nm process, said the paper, which added that the Volta GPU will be paired with Nvidia's Xavier supercomputer chips for self-driving car applications.
High end Volta will get HBM2 memory and we know HBM2 is going to available anytime soon.
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#5406991 Posted on: 03/15/2017 10:13 AM
well if it is only going to be 12nm I can not see much of a boost in performance they have been relying to much on the clock to get the FPS up on previous Gen cards.
Looks like 1080TI`s will be doing well for sometime to come.
well if it is only going to be 12nm I can not see much of a boost in performance they have been relying to much on the clock to get the FPS up on previous Gen cards.
Looks like 1080TI`s will be doing well for sometime to come.
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#5406994 Posted on: 03/15/2017 10:17 AM
I doubt Nvidia is annoyed by the lack of competition,but i agree that AMD must step up it's GPU game .
Now on the Volta aspect, i'm happy that rumors already started,it's easier for me to stay away from the 1080 ti. Can't wait for more info.
I doubt Nvidia is annoyed by the lack of competition,but i agree that AMD must step up it's GPU game .
Now on the Volta aspect, i'm happy that rumors already started,it's easier for me to stay away from the 1080 ti. Can't wait for more info.
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#5406995 Posted on: 03/15/2017 10:18 AM
Actually i don´t think there can be same situation with GPU as it is (was) with CPU. I mean, mainstream - enthusiast CPUs lack any kind of...need for more power. Aplications are the same, mostly you are good with 4/8 c/t for gaming. And that´s it.
But with GPU market, there is a bit difference in case of needing a power.
Higher, more advanced games, higher resolution and VR, those are the outer influences that push NVIDIA, those influences provide a need for more power, therefore NVIDIA even though AMD would have bancrupt, could never afford a situation as Intel could.
And the last named, VR is the main reason why GTX 1000 series are far more advanced then GTX 900 series... NVIDIA had no competition from the AMD side, yet GTX 1000 series are highly advanced, their power is at maximum possible (nearly) and with no AMD competition.
So, gaming, resolution, VR, these factors will provide a sustainable need for more power.... BUT i hope that VEGA will be succesfull, so next time i would be writing, "Gaming, resolution, VR, AMD, these factors will chase NVIDIA´s engineers for higher advanced Graphic Cards"
It would be good if AMD got Vega.....
Actually i don´t think there can be same situation with GPU as it is (was) with CPU. I mean, mainstream - enthusiast CPUs lack any kind of...need for more power. Aplications are the same, mostly you are good with 4/8 c/t for gaming. And that´s it.
But with GPU market, there is a bit difference in case of needing a power.
Higher, more advanced games, higher resolution and VR, those are the outer influences that push NVIDIA, those influences provide a need for more power, therefore NVIDIA even though AMD would have bancrupt, could never afford a situation as Intel could.
And the last named, VR is the main reason why GTX 1000 series are far more advanced then GTX 900 series... NVIDIA had no competition from the AMD side, yet GTX 1000 series are highly advanced, their power is at maximum possible (nearly) and with no AMD competition.
So, gaming, resolution, VR, these factors will provide a sustainable need for more power.... BUT i hope that VEGA will be succesfull, so next time i would be writing, "Gaming, resolution, VR, AMD, these factors will chase NVIDIA´s engineers for higher advanced Graphic Cards"
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#5407016 Posted on: 03/15/2017 11:30 AM
well if it is only going to be 12nm I can not see much of a boost in performance they have been relying to much on the clock to get the FPS up on previous Gen cards.
Looks like 1080TI`s will be doing well for sometime to come.
Dammit I can't decide to go for a 1080Ti now or wait for Volta 1180
well if it is only going to be 12nm I can not see much of a boost in performance they have been relying to much on the clock to get the FPS up on previous Gen cards.
Looks like 1080TI`s will be doing well for sometime to come.
Dammit I can't decide to go for a 1080Ti now or wait for Volta 1180
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#5407019 Posted on: 03/15/2017 11:43 AM
Still going for 1080Ti AIO Once its available. Ti will last for a while, however we don't know when Volta will come out, and what will be the main difference.
Still going for 1080Ti AIO Once its available. Ti will last for a while, however we don't know when Volta will come out, and what will be the main difference.
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#5407025 Posted on: 03/15/2017 12:11 PM
As a company, Nvidia doesn't have the same strategy as Intel: seeing no competition Intel stopped developing new processors and stuck with advancing fabrication processes, increasing prices and making the most profit it could. Nvidia, on the other end, doesn't take it's position for granted and actually invest on improving what already has. I don't believe Nvidia would stop developing powerful GPU's but the price sure would go up greatly.
Jesus Christ: you guys have a 1080, who would need more today? Not to speak about the price investment...I envy your jobs...
AMD being a paper tiger can only sustain the situation for so long. If AMD doesn't get its stuff together, we will face the same situation in the GPU market as we did in the CPU market, meaning we will see practically no development for a long time.
As a company, Nvidia doesn't have the same strategy as Intel: seeing no competition Intel stopped developing new processors and stuck with advancing fabrication processes, increasing prices and making the most profit it could. Nvidia, on the other end, doesn't take it's position for granted and actually invest on improving what already has. I don't believe Nvidia would stop developing powerful GPU's but the price sure would go up greatly.
Still going for 1080Ti AIO Once its available. Ti will last for a while, however we don't know when Volta will come out, and what will be the main difference.
Jesus Christ: you guys have a 1080, who would need more today? Not to speak about the price investment...I envy your jobs...
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#5407028 Posted on: 03/15/2017 12:15 PM
Exatly, Nvidia's cards perform well compared to Fury X, even at higher resolutions. Obviously HBM is (currently) nothing but a marketing gag for gamers. I wouldn't even think it nets much benefits at 4K.
let's see what nvidia does with hbm2, it kinda wasn't the magic it was supposed to be @ Fury X.
Exatly, Nvidia's cards perform well compared to Fury X, even at higher resolutions. Obviously HBM is (currently) nothing but a marketing gag for gamers. I wouldn't even think it nets much benefits at 4K.
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#5407032 Posted on: 03/15/2017 12:19 PM
HBM is only going to be a benefit when your bottleneck is memory bandwidth, which is pretty rare in gaming. It's better on the compute side but AMD can't really afford to split it's line-up, while Nvidia can. Volta gaming cards will most likely use GDDR6 and HBM2 will stay on Tesla variants only.
HBM is only going to be a benefit when your bottleneck is memory bandwidth, which is pretty rare in gaming. It's better on the compute side but AMD can't really afford to split it's line-up, while Nvidia can. Volta gaming cards will most likely use GDDR6 and HBM2 will stay on Tesla variants only.
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#5407042 Posted on: 03/15/2017 12:48 PM
TSMC's 12nm process is basically optimised 16nm process so it shouldn't be big issue to port 16nm design to that process.
TSMC's 12nm process is basically optimised 16nm process so it shouldn't be big issue to port 16nm design to that process.
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#5407045 Posted on: 03/15/2017 12:51 PM
Yes I concur.
HBM is only going to be a benefit when your bottleneck is memory bandwidth, which is pretty rare in gaming. It's better on the compute side but AMD can't really afford to split it's line-up, while Nvidia can. Volta gaming cards will most likely use GDDR6 and HBM2 will stay on Tesla variants only.
Yes I concur.
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#5407078 Posted on: 03/15/2017 01:55 PM
HBM2 seems less and less important now with GDDR6 being talked about (HBM2 seems very expensive to mass produce). and as others say we don't seem to have a bandwidth issue in any game right now
I heard some rumours about PCIe 4 being in these new cards (though i don't see much benefit of that unless we get more powerdraw from the PCIe slots. Hopefully the shrink to 12nm will just be a further reduction to power. I bought a 1200watt PSU when i first built my system 5/6 years ago thinking cards are going to need more and more power but they are doing the complete opposite!!! Good for the bill though i guess XD
HBM2 seems less and less important now with GDDR6 being talked about (HBM2 seems very expensive to mass produce). and as others say we don't seem to have a bandwidth issue in any game right now
I heard some rumours about PCIe 4 being in these new cards (though i don't see much benefit of that unless we get more powerdraw from the PCIe slots. Hopefully the shrink to 12nm will just be a further reduction to power. I bought a 1200watt PSU when i first built my system 5/6 years ago thinking cards are going to need more and more power but they are doing the complete opposite!!! Good for the bill though i guess XD
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#5407097 Posted on: 03/15/2017 02:37 PM
It would be good if AMD got Vega out before Volta is released. I reckon Nvidia is actually annoyed by the lack of competition. Now they can't compare their upper products to anything but their own past upper products. Like 1080Ti can't be compared to anything but 1080, showing how Nvidia beats Nvidia...
AMD being a paper tiger can only sustain the situation for so long. If AMD doesn't get its stuff together, we will face the same situation in the GPU market as we did in the CPU market, meaning we will see practically no development for a long time.
Nvidia is not annoyed at all by the lack of competition, on contrary, they are very pleased about this fact.
In my opinion here we need to blame AMD/ATI for not delivering high performance and lower TDP graphic chips and to "beat" Nvidia.
The situation in the CPU market is different, as others have pointed out in latter posts here. The "big minus" for us costumers is that without real competition in the GPU market segment Nvidia can push up the prices of their high end GPU's because of the AMD still incapable to compete with Nvidia in the high end GPU production.
It would be good if AMD got Vega out before Volta is released. I reckon Nvidia is actually annoyed by the lack of competition. Now they can't compare their upper products to anything but their own past upper products. Like 1080Ti can't be compared to anything but 1080, showing how Nvidia beats Nvidia...
AMD being a paper tiger can only sustain the situation for so long. If AMD doesn't get its stuff together, we will face the same situation in the GPU market as we did in the CPU market, meaning we will see practically no development for a long time.
Nvidia is not annoyed at all by the lack of competition, on contrary, they are very pleased about this fact.
In my opinion here we need to blame AMD/ATI for not delivering high performance and lower TDP graphic chips and to "beat" Nvidia.
The situation in the CPU market is different, as others have pointed out in latter posts here. The "big minus" for us costumers is that without real competition in the GPU market segment Nvidia can push up the prices of their high end GPU's because of the AMD still incapable to compete with Nvidia in the high end GPU production.
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#5407099 Posted on: 03/15/2017 02:37 PM
I'm looking to buy a new laptop with a 1070 soon to replace my old with a 770m. DO you think I should wait a bit because new mobile GPUs will be out or I'm safe to go now?
would sucks to spend 2500$ and having new GPUs by summer
I'm looking to buy a new laptop with a 1070 soon to replace my old with a 770m. DO you think I should wait a bit because new mobile GPUs will be out or I'm safe to go now?
would sucks to spend 2500$ and having new GPUs by summer
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#5407100 Posted on: 03/15/2017 02:44 PM
I'm looking to buy a new laptop with a 1070 soon to replace my old with a 770m. DO you think I should wait a bit because new mobile GPUs will be out or I'm safe to go now?
would sucks to spend 2500$ and having new GPUs by summer
Volta isn't going to be out until Q1 2018. AMD might introduce some new mobile GPU's with Vega, but as far as Nvidia goes, there shouldn't be anything new coming out.
I'm looking to buy a new laptop with a 1070 soon to replace my old with a 770m. DO you think I should wait a bit because new mobile GPUs will be out or I'm safe to go now?
would sucks to spend 2500$ and having new GPUs by summer
Volta isn't going to be out until Q1 2018. AMD might introduce some new mobile GPU's with Vega, but as far as Nvidia goes, there shouldn't be anything new coming out.
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It would be good if AMD got Vega out before Volta is released. I reckon Nvidia is actually annoyed by the lack of competition. Now they can't compare their upper products to anything but their own past upper products. Like 1080Ti can't be compared to anything but 1080, showing how Nvidia beats Nvidia...
AMD being a paper tiger can only sustain the situation for so long. If AMD doesn't get its stuff together, we will face the same situation in the GPU market as we did in the CPU market, meaning we will see practically no development for a long time.