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Nvidia Used three Samsung patents in tablets
Chipmaker Nvidia used in their Tablets three Samsung patents, and violated Samsung's patents claims. This is what a judge from the American International Trade Commission (USITC) in the USA ruled this week.
USITC will investigate if measures need to be taken, the commission can acutally prohibit sales and import from Nvidia in the United States. The patented technologies all have been used in Nvidia's Shield tablets, one of these patents expires next year (2016). Nvidia argued that Samsung’s patents date back to the 1990s, covering older technology that’s no longer used in modern chip designs. Its lawyers argued that Samsung had “chosen three patents that have been sitting on the shelf for years collecting nothing but dust.”
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The lawsuit was a claim from Korea based Samsung and a direct response to an earlier lawsuit that Nvidia filed against Samsung. Nvidia at that time claimed that Samsung and chipmaker Qualcomm used three of their patents embedded into theit GPU technology. On thr 15th of December USITC ruled that Samsung did not breach two of the three patens claims. Samsung did make use of a 3rd one, but according to the ruling it was ruled not valid. The trade agency staff, which acts as a third party in the case on behalf of the public, recommended that the judge find that Nvidia had infringed two of the three patents. One of the two is the patent that expires next year.
Patents 6.173.349, 6.147.385 and 7.804.734 are at discussion here and involve a type of sram-cel and two patents on a methodology to achieve less latency in the bus-sytem, the data-signal buffers and system memory..
The case also involves some of Nvidia’s customers, including Biostar Microtech International Corp., Jaton Corp., and EliteGroup Computer Systems Co.
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#5210593 Posted on: 12/24/2015 04:18 PM
nope it is more like:
AMD = Zakel empire
NVidia = The 1st Order
Samsung = Mandalorian coalition
Apple = the old Empire
Linux user = the resistance
This post makes the most sense.
Too many parents.
nope it is more like:
AMD = Zakel empire
NVidia = The 1st Order
Samsung = Mandalorian coalition
Apple = the old Empire
Linux user = the resistance
This post makes the most sense.
Too many parents.
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#5210597 Posted on: 12/24/2015 04:22 PM
lot of money will be lost in procedure but there isn't much in the file against NVidia.
for those who are interested check big brother for those patent... if samsung win then lot of maker can prepare money to be sued too lol.
on my to do list: Put patent on the wheel concept and sue everyone that use some when i need money
Of course, I was among those hoping to see NVidia win.....
lot of money will be lost in procedure but there isn't much in the file against NVidia.
for those who are interested check big brother for those patent... if samsung win then lot of maker can prepare money to be sued too lol.
on my to do list: Put patent on the wheel concept and sue everyone that use some when i need money
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#5210601 Posted on: 12/24/2015 04:28 PM
it may not be as simple as i am thinking the process is, but the way i see it is they simply disassemble the product until they can see the bare PCB, and then look for chips / chipsets / circuitry designs that match what they have patented.
i mean if they see a chip with the word samsung on it, and they have that patented that would be a fairly easy infringement to identify.
again, could be more complicated than that - but thats probably what they're doing to find the infringements.
If they see Samsung chip in nVidia's device, then nVidia or their fabs bought that chip through official channel.
I rly did not know if I should cry or laugh at that comment.
it may not be as simple as i am thinking the process is, but the way i see it is they simply disassemble the product until they can see the bare PCB, and then look for chips / chipsets / circuitry designs that match what they have patented.
i mean if they see a chip with the word samsung on it, and they have that patented that would be a fairly easy infringement to identify.
again, could be more complicated than that - but thats probably what they're doing to find the infringements.
If they see Samsung chip in nVidia's device, then nVidia or their fabs bought that chip through official channel.
I rly did not know if I should cry or laugh at that comment.
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#5210771 Posted on: 12/25/2015 04:17 AM
nVidia was trying to prove that the term "GPU" was an actual unique and original product that it alone invented...and what a load of horse-hockey that was...
Before nVidia shipped the failed nV1, tens of millions of people were using what were commonly called "graphics processors" and made by companies like the old ATi & Matrox. I was one of them. nVidia comes along (after 3dfx began) and its marketing arm at some point starts calling nVidia graphics processors "graphics processing units" to make it sound more impressive like "cpu"--central processing unit, etc.
That's fine for an acronym--GPU--but of course the word "unit" tacked on to the phrase "graphics processor" is redundant--a graphics processor is by definition a graphics processing unit. But nVidia was trying to twist reality around and claim that a "GPU" was an entirely new, never heard of before and never seen kind of graphics processor. And of course had the court ruled in nVidia's favor against Samsung then nVidia would have started trying to collect royalties from every company that makes a GPU, starting with Samsung--on account of nVidia's claim that it invented the GPU. But fortunately that didn't happen and the court slammed nVidia down hard for that load of unadulterated garbage. (RAMBUS, move over--here comes nVidia!)
But ironically enough, when nVidia sued Samsung, Samsung returned the favor with a counter-suit and now it looks like things are actually going Samsung's way as nVidia has lost its original GPU suit against Samsung and Samsung looks to be prevailing in its counter-suit accusing nVidia of violating three of Samsung's patents! Poetic justice always smells so sweet, doesn't it?... I don't know how all of this will turn out--I'm just happy with the court affirming that GPU is an acronym that everyone uses today (like "CPU") and no one owns a patent to the acronym GPU--but it belongs to everyone. Sorry nVidia--get y'er greedy mitts off!
nVidia was trying to prove that the term "GPU" was an actual unique and original product that it alone invented...and what a load of horse-hockey that was...
Before nVidia shipped the failed nV1, tens of millions of people were using what were commonly called "graphics processors" and made by companies like the old ATi & Matrox. I was one of them. nVidia comes along (after 3dfx began) and its marketing arm at some point starts calling nVidia graphics processors "graphics processing units" to make it sound more impressive like "cpu"--central processing unit, etc.
That's fine for an acronym--GPU--but of course the word "unit" tacked on to the phrase "graphics processor" is redundant--a graphics processor is by definition a graphics processing unit. But nVidia was trying to twist reality around and claim that a "GPU" was an entirely new, never heard of before and never seen kind of graphics processor. And of course had the court ruled in nVidia's favor against Samsung then nVidia would have started trying to collect royalties from every company that makes a GPU, starting with Samsung--on account of nVidia's claim that it invented the GPU. But fortunately that didn't happen and the court slammed nVidia down hard for that load of unadulterated garbage. (RAMBUS, move over--here comes nVidia!)
But ironically enough, when nVidia sued Samsung, Samsung returned the favor with a counter-suit and now it looks like things are actually going Samsung's way as nVidia has lost its original GPU suit against Samsung and Samsung looks to be prevailing in its counter-suit accusing nVidia of violating three of Samsung's patents! Poetic justice always smells so sweet, doesn't it?...
I don't know how all of this will turn out--I'm just happy with the court affirming that GPU is an acronym that everyone uses today (like "CPU") and no one owns a patent to the acronym GPU--but it belongs to everyone. Sorry nVidia--get y'er greedy mitts off!
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Nvidia = The First Order
AMD = The Resistance
Samsung = FN-2187
It all makes sense now, that Samsung will be producing chips for AMD.
nope it is more like:
AMD = Zakel empire
NVidia = The 1st Order
Samsung = Mandalorian coalition
Apple = the old Empire
Linux user = the resistance