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It has been a topic of long discussion but in a short and a bit of a confusing explanation, NVIDIA seems to be making a move to support adaptive sync (aka FreeSync). The feature will be enabled in future drivers, however, will only work on selected monitors.
From the looks of the monitors that are going to be supported need to be tested by NVIDIA and thus certified by NVIDIA. We're sure that is a partner certification program that needs to be paid for by the monitor manufacturers to get that new 'GSYNC Compatible' logo. So in one way or another, that might invoke a price premium. According to Nvidia this works on the 10 and 20 series.
Merely (a handful of the current 500+ monitors will be enabled support to Adaptive Sync on GeForce graphics cards. That number should expand over time. Multiple monitors have been tested and certified including monitors from Acer, ASUS, AOC, Agon and BenQ. These will get driver enabled for adaptive sync on January 15th. The certified monitors will be called ' GSYNC Compatible'.
Updated: we reached out to NVIDIA. Not certified monitors will work as well by manually enabling the mode.
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#5624233 Posted on: 01/07/2019 01:56 PM
You have exactly pointed out why first Gsync was milking it's customers to an extent, and now, won't sell the moment Fsync is confirmed to work (pretty soon). But Nvidia has earned enough money to make Gsync profitable in general, even if they now won't sell any more screens with Gsync modules in them.
So all those G-sync monitors in stock right now, will they be discounted? AND, going forward, what's the point of making a monitor with the added cost of the G-Sync chip? I have a g-sync asus pg279q, but if i were buying now, why would i buy this monitor when i can get the same panel with freesync(vrr) for $150 less?
You have exactly pointed out why first Gsync was milking it's customers to an extent, and now, won't sell the moment Fsync is confirmed to work (pretty soon). But Nvidia has earned enough money to make Gsync profitable in general, even if they now won't sell any more screens with Gsync modules in them.
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#5624243 Posted on: 01/07/2019 02:27 PM
To be honest those will offer better VRR experience than the Adaptive Sync displays. The best Adaptive Sync displays have somewhat lacking VRR range and overdrive might not work properly in VRR mode (for example).
So all those G-sync monitors in stock right now, will they be discounted? AND, going forward, what's the point of making a monitor with the added cost of the G-Sync chip? I have a g-sync asus pg279q, but if i were buying now, why would i buy this monitor when i can get the same panel with freesync(vrr) for $150 less?
To be honest those will offer better VRR experience than the Adaptive Sync displays. The best Adaptive Sync displays have somewhat lacking VRR range and overdrive might not work properly in VRR mode (for example).
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#5624245 Posted on: 01/07/2019 02:32 PM
AMD has working fps doubling for situations where your fps drops under lower FS limit.
Overdrive argument is meh. More of a bad joke, really. When you have G&Free-sync variants of same monitor, they use same screen in most cases.
Overdrive works in same way for both. Overdrive timing is no magic, it depends on proper math which should be done by manufacturer of screen.
Yes, there are some Freesync screens which benefit from different overdrive settings in different refresh ranges. Guess what. They are so cheap that you can have 2 at price of good GSync screen.
Check https://www.viewsonic.com/uk/products/lcd/VX2458-C-mhd.php
It literary costs 40% of what G-Sync variant of my AW2518HF screen does.
And there GSync variant (AW2518H) of same screen I use costs 55% more than Freesync.
Very questionable value right there. You can almost have 3x 144Hz Freesync at price of 1x 240Hz G-Sync. You are going to have hard time to finding G-Sync screen anywhere near Freesync prices.
Where does it actually leave you?
GSync with same panel costs good 50% more than Freesync. => If you are spending in any range. See what are parameters of GSync screen you like. And then see what parameters Freesync offers in same price.
May be surprise to some, but 27'' 2560x1440 G-Sync costs about same as 32'' Freesync. (And that GSync got you TN panel while Freesync at same price got you VA.)
To be honest those will offer better VRR experience than the Adaptive Sync displays. The best Adaptive Sync displays have somewhat lacking VRR range and overdrive might not work properly in VRR mode (for example).
AMD has working fps doubling for situations where your fps drops under lower FS limit.
Overdrive argument is meh. More of a bad joke, really. When you have G&Free-sync variants of same monitor, they use same screen in most cases.
Overdrive works in same way for both. Overdrive timing is no magic, it depends on proper math which should be done by manufacturer of screen.
Yes, there are some Freesync screens which benefit from different overdrive settings in different refresh ranges. Guess what. They are so cheap that you can have 2 at price of good GSync screen.
Check https://www.viewsonic.com/uk/products/lcd/VX2458-C-mhd.php
It literary costs 40% of what G-Sync variant of my AW2518HF screen does.
And there GSync variant (AW2518H) of same screen I use costs 55% more than Freesync.
Very questionable value right there. You can almost have 3x 144Hz Freesync at price of 1x 240Hz G-Sync. You are going to have hard time to finding G-Sync screen anywhere near Freesync prices.
Where does it actually leave you?
GSync with same panel costs good 50% more than Freesync. => If you are spending in any range. See what are parameters of GSync screen you like. And then see what parameters Freesync offers in same price.
May be surprise to some, but 27'' 2560x1440 G-Sync costs about same as 32'' Freesync. (And that GSync got you TN panel while Freesync at same price got you VA.)
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#5624249 Posted on: 01/07/2019 02:46 PM
AFIK that's still linked to LFC, the width Freesync Hz range of the monitor (high Hz must be x2 to x2,5 times the low Hz). If the monitor has some horrible Freesync range like 48-75 (not very uncommon) you are SOL.
AMD has working fps doubling for situations where your fps drops under lower FS limit.
AFIK that's still linked to LFC, the width Freesync Hz range of the monitor (high Hz must be x2 to x2,5 times the low Hz). If the monitor has some horrible Freesync range like 48-75 (not very uncommon) you are SOL.
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#5624250 Posted on: 01/07/2019 02:46 PM
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#5624251 Posted on: 01/07/2019 02:48 PM
Yeah, for Nvidia this isn't a big deal, but I feel sorry for the monitor manufacturers who have Gsync modules and screens already manufactured but not yet ordered by importers, the importers who just ordered more Gsync screens, and of course all the retail stores who soon will have a harder time selling the wares on their shelves and warehouses.
You have exactly pointed out why first Gsync was milking it's customers to an extent, and now, won't sell the moment Fsync is confirmed to work (pretty soon). But Nvidia has earned enough money to make Gsync profitable in general, even if they now won't sell any more screens with Gsync modules in them.
Yeah, for Nvidia this isn't a big deal, but I feel sorry for the monitor manufacturers who have Gsync modules and screens already manufactured but not yet ordered by importers, the importers who just ordered more Gsync screens, and of course all the retail stores who soon will have a harder time selling the wares on their shelves and warehouses.
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#5624255 Posted on: 01/07/2019 02:50 PM
Great news and About time , i've been waiting a long time for this news , at last i will be able to try out freesync now as i have two 27 inch monitors with freesync that i've never been able to use that feature .
Maybe this move by Nvidia is because AMD have something in the pipeline , Nvidia said sometime time ago that they would not support freesync .
Great news and About time , i've been waiting a long time for this news , at last i will be able to try out freesync now as i have two 27 inch monitors with freesync that i've never been able to use that feature .
Maybe this move by Nvidia is because AMD have something in the pipeline , Nvidia said sometime time ago that they would not support freesync .
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#5624287 Posted on: 01/07/2019 03:56 PM
Yes and no ...here is the thing nvidia will NEVER support Freesync ,as they would never support Mantle .. those are amd technologies ... Mantle is dead and renamed to vulkan ...Vulkan as name is not directly connected to mantle as trademark since it is universal like opengl and directx so while they ignored mantle when the vulkan came out they where behind it even with some async software implementation they pretty much supported it from the get go .... same thing with the adaptive vesa sync witch is pretty much freesync as far the names are not directly tied and credited to amd nvidia will support em , i feel though they where waiting to do so as a tramp card to get some very much needed good pr atm . Either way i was reading the whole thing thinking like ....seriously ?? they need to certify their monitors for it to work ? but since you can enable it and "take your chances" is all good by me and about time ! how many around here have a freesync monitor and this announcement made their day ?
Maybe this move by Nvidia is because AMD have something in the pipeline , Nvidia said sometime time ago that they would not support freesync .
Yes and no ...here is the thing nvidia will NEVER support Freesync ,as they would never support Mantle .. those are amd technologies ... Mantle is dead and renamed to vulkan ...Vulkan as name is not directly connected to mantle as trademark since it is universal like opengl and directx so while they ignored mantle when the vulkan came out they where behind it even with some async software implementation they pretty much supported it from the get go .... same thing with the adaptive vesa sync witch is pretty much freesync as far the names are not directly tied and credited to amd nvidia will support em , i feel though they where waiting to do so as a tramp card to get some very much needed good pr atm . Either way i was reading the whole thing thinking like ....seriously ?? they need to certify their monitors for it to work ? but since you can enable it and "take your chances" is all good by me and about time ! how many around here have a freesync monitor and this announcement made their day ?
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#5624292 Posted on: 01/07/2019 04:02 PM
That I'd be curious to know too. Also, how many actually do own a Gsync display already, did not buy Gsync because it was too expansive, etc.
how many around here have a freesync monitor and this announcement made their day ? :p
That I'd be curious to know too. Also, how many actually do own a Gsync display already, did not buy Gsync because it was too expansive, etc.
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#5624296 Posted on: 01/07/2019 04:08 PM
I am pretty sure I saw few posts mentioning that they have freesync monitor with Nvidia card. Hell i want a 21:9 monitor my self(not in a rush) and i was thinking if i should ignore freesync completely , now i won't when i get to that point
That I'd be curious to know too. Also, how many actually do own a Gsync display already, did not buy Gsync because it was too expansive, etc.
I am pretty sure I saw few posts mentioning that they have freesync monitor with Nvidia card. Hell i want a 21:9 monitor my self(not in a rush) and i was thinking if i should ignore freesync completely , now i won't when i get to that point
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#5624301 Posted on: 01/07/2019 04:15 PM
Should we not wait for some tests before we all start throwing gsync in the bin?
Its not a blanket on for all freesync panels to have Gsync, Its gotta be tested and tested.
Should we not wait for some tests before we all start throwing gsync in the bin?
Its not a blanket on for all freesync panels to have Gsync, Its gotta be tested and tested.
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#5624302 Posted on: 01/07/2019 04:17 PM
will this model - Alienware 240hz FREE SYNC - AW2518HF be supported on Nvidia video cards ???
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if YES, then now it is a good time for a good deal. This is like 60% cheaper in my area compared to the Gsync one...
someone care to confirm?
will this model - Alienware 240hz FREE SYNC - AW2518HF be supported on Nvidia video cards ???
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if YES, then now it is a good time for a good deal. This is like 60% cheaper in my area compared to the Gsync one...someone care to confirm?
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#5624303 Posted on: 01/07/2019 04:18 PM
Should we not wait for some tests before we all start throwing gsync in the bin?
Its not a blanket on for all freesync panels to have Gsync, Its gotta be tested and tested.
And no freesync panel ever will be "Gsync" approved. Just Gsync compatible. Especially any monitor having Gsync Ultimate badge it will be undeniably 1.5x to 2x times better.
Should we not wait for some tests before we all start throwing gsync in the bin?
Its not a blanket on for all freesync panels to have Gsync, Its gotta be tested and tested.
And no freesync panel ever will be "Gsync" approved. Just Gsync compatible. Especially any monitor having Gsync Ultimate badge it will be undeniably 1.5x to 2x times better.
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#5624304 Posted on: 01/07/2019 04:19 PM
Should we not wait for some tests before we all start throwing gsync in the bin?
Its not a blanket on for all freesync panels to have Gsync, Its gotta be tested and tested.
honestly g-sync have a place on the high end ++ market of monitors ....when you pay 1000 for a monitor 1200 will not push you away ....i assume when you fork that kind of money you want the best ....
the price premium on on the 200 up to 600 range monitors is a hard sell , plus if you have even the crappiest of the crappiest freesync monitor why not give it a try ? is not like it will make your card explode and if it is terrible you can always close it again i guess .
Should we not wait for some tests before we all start throwing gsync in the bin?
Its not a blanket on for all freesync panels to have Gsync, Its gotta be tested and tested.
honestly g-sync have a place on the high end ++ market of monitors ....when you pay 1000 for a monitor 1200 will not push you away ....i assume when you fork that kind of money you want the best ....
the price premium on on the 200 up to 600 range monitors is a hard sell , plus if you have even the crappiest of the crappiest freesync monitor why not give it a try ? is not like it will make your card explode and if it is terrible you can always close it again i guess .
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So all those G-sync monitors in stock right now, will they be discounted? AND, going forward, what's the point of making a monitor with the added cost of the G-Sync chip? I have a g-sync asus pg279q, but if i were buying now, why would i buy this monitor when i can get the same panel with freesync(vrr) for $150 less?