NVIDIA Snags Away Market Share From AMD, now sells 80 percent of dedicated GPUs

#5822597 Posted on: 08/28/2020 10:03 AM

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Nope, they sell at 3 times the price at which they would break even. That's small difference. Both companies need to make profit.
Good part from that is, they have awful lot of space to reduce prices.

#5822599 Posted on: 08/28/2020 10:09 AM

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This thread is hilarious as I have had the opposite experience to most people?

Most of my Nvidia GPU's have died within 2 year period, or often just outside warranty, whilst running at stock. Well ventilated cases, good psu's etc. I also had a few laptops where the nvidia gpu overheated so much it either caused thermal throttling, continuous shutdown or simply damaged surrounding components so whole thing didn't work.

I went back to AMD in like 2009 after the last gpu cooked and I had enough, probably 10 years then I had AMD hardware and not looked back. Every GPU I have since then has not died, not even artifacted. Used them in multiple machines, some took damage and they still all work.
Since then built multiple AMD only machines (particularly since 2016) and not a single failure or complaint.

So this experience - completely anecdotal, and from the sound of things I must be an outlier to Nvidia. I also never had any real driver issues that took more than a couple of hours to solve with AMD, and reliable hardware at a great price has kept me coming back.

A lot of AMD hate considering they are the minority, and I do feel for users that have faulty hardware. It is torture sometimes just trying to make it work. However, something that bothered me more was on top of the hardware lottery we all play, and when I was more financially tight, AMD was the only company I felt that didn't use me exclusively as an ATM.
Chips were interesting and could be tweaked (duron + pencil anyone), flash bios on to other GPU's, longievity of cards was amazing in the old days (yes fine wine is a thing) - in an era of overclocking and looking for best value, extra performance to extract - AMD had that covered.
Now I am older and less time for this fun, AMD has designed sytem to maximise performance for us and easy to run tools to optimise thanks to this page and 1usmus.

So yea, I am loyal to AMD as they have always made reliable hardware for me, my experience has been excellent with them and my fun with computers over the last 30 years was always that little bit extra thanks to them. I hope they never leave the market.

#5822607 Posted on: 08/28/2020 10:27 AM

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The drivers issues by themselves weren't blown out proportion. But the great majority of them have been fixed for more than 6 month now, and people are still speaking of those as concurrent issue and like AMD didn't do a things about them, while 6 month after the 2080ti HW failure launch fiasco, almost nobody were talking about it anymore...
The problem isnt Nvidia get a free pass on issue and AMD don't, but is nobody except the usual AMD fan boy talk about those Nvidua issues for more than a few month while the community keep on hitting on AMD for years....

Edit : I know those difference are mainly due to vastly superior marketing from Nvidia and overall better brand image, but it hurt when pseudo enthusiast show as much knowledge of past and present issues than the average iPhone user.

Those buggy drivers are not real. Yet again, I had RX 5700 XT from day one. Like other cards before. And they did just fine.

nVidia simply has long term mind share and they have really good marketing. Which is partly due to their ruthless game development manipulation.
From my point of view, nVidia was too early with RTX series, but they wanted to cash on DX-R work. And they made heavy use of proprietary tech as they always do...
Marketing it that only with them you can play way it is meant to be played. I doubt that gurus here without RTX cards miss DLSS or DX-R that much.
But normal folk feels that they are missing on something without it. Experienced people here did learn that unless there is actually game that can't be played without it, there is no need to pay extra for usually minor visual difference. And since DX-R effect came at heavy performance cost and DLSS reduced IQ as compensation, it was mixed bag from start.

Even today, there are very few games where I would prefer DLSS over no-DLSS in terms of image quality versus performance. It is important to understand that nothing is for free, and computational power is no exception. Have you seen common folk to actually compare DLSS IQ on 1440p vs native 1080p? No, they bought expensive GPU and expensive 1440p screen, and DLSS is way for them to keep good fps.
Just want to make it clear that I'm not personally saying that "AMD drivers sux" because I don't have any first hand experience with that. What I do know is what I read on forums (note that I read AMD and nVidia forums more or less equally much) and it feels like AMD drivers are more of an issue than nVidia drivers. The few friends I have who are gamers all have nVidia GPUs (just a coincidence of course) and none have ever said anything about driver problems. That of course doesn't mean that they don't exist but at least I'm hearing that things work out better for the green team. When I read GPU product reviews they aren't great for AMD cards.

Mind you, I'd gladly try Big Navi (if it's fast enough) but I would want to be sure that the chance of things working is high enough before taking the leap.

#5822612 Posted on: 08/28/2020 10:30 AM

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Boosting mechanism rate and delays between upping voltage and following with higher clock.

No reason to go extremely technical. Especially since such change likely increased power draw a bit or decreased sustainable clock.
(There would be immediate witch-hunt as always.)
Right, so you're saying that they lied on their release notes? Why would they do that? Why would they even acknowledge what they acknowledged, if they could just write:
"Fixed a regression in the boost algorithm that might cause a crash for some users".
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Here the problem. When you have few dozens of people with same HW and software configuration, either all of them have same software issue, or none of them have issue.
If just one has it, it is very likely not software that's same as rest of people have. This one particular case has software in different configuration than rest. Or they have HW issue.
What I understand from this is that you don't understand how any of these things work. All hardware works with specific tolerance levels, and in different voltages etc. There are no "stable conditions", there is a "range of stable conditions". You can never have the exact same configuration, even in exactly replicated hardware like the consoles. Software and hardware design is supposed to take this into account, if it doesn't, it fails. I cannot understand how this is still a conversation when AMD themselves literally admitted it was a driver issue in their own driver notes.

Oh yea, and with the exception of Vulkan, AMD drivers do suck.

#5822616 Posted on: 08/28/2020 10:57 AM

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after many years of nothing but nvidia. I'll just keep buying what makes sense
lol wtf?

There are many people here not even tried amd cards at all or once maybe talking how bad their drivers are, how the you know? Becouse you heard from a guy? There is also many nvidia fanatics here buying a 1,000$ cards just becouse ita nvidia, shut and take my money kinda. Waiting for rdna2 to compete not for them to try supporting it but becouse their green brand may drop prices, maybe, hah.
While I understand your frustration couldn't those same people play devil's advocate and retort "well we never tried meth but know it's bad" ? Personal first-hand exposure with something doesn't necessarily qualify one in every case.
There will always be royalties and fanbase that will buy a product no matter what. I believe if amd doesn't fix a tons of issues, market will clear up in dgpus. This round we will see those regulars vs loyals to a brand. Next year Intel also comes to the game. I am officially worried.

2021-2022 will either put a nail coffin to nvidia's competition and make Jensen the gpu emperor or true battles are gonna unfold and push nvidia to 50% vs Intel with AMD. There isn't other way.
Hey, good to see you again almost didn't recognize you with the new avatar - cool btw'

I agree! I'm don't intend to be hyperbolic or emphatic. 80% of the market space is huge. That NVIDIA has saturated up to 80% in the time-frame they have is important. I see it as going either one way or the other as well. Ryzen was in many ways AMD's last stand in CPU space. Contrasts can be drawn here with DGPUs. There's been a huge "sucking sound" coming out of AMD for a long time.

AMD saturated Intel market space at an aggressive rate since 2016/2017. The same can occur with GPUs, for or against them. They need to be on par with Ampere (not Turing) but Ampere; something they got wrong the last 3 launches. Cost may be nice for headlines but market share goes to the performance king. Which ought to be a really good indicator of how AMD really is manufacturing the best, fastest CPUs out there right now.

RTG needs to replicate this with Big Navi, it's either that or bust. Vega = disappointment / Vega 7nm = disappointment / RDNA1 = overhyped, underperformed. I'm rooting for them, I haven't ran a gaming card of theirs since 7970 ghz edition - it'll be interesting to see what happens.