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NVIDIA Sells Two SKUs of each Turing GPU (a normal and OC model)
So a colleague website just posted this, and since the cat is out of the bag we might as well post it also. A while ago we noticed separated (two) GPU hardware IDs for the same Turning GPU. Let's call it an A and B model for each GPU. The one is a standard SKU, the other an OC version. And here is how that works.
So let's take the GeForce RTX 2080 Ti as an example, the GPU in there is a TU102. So basically NVIDIA offers two chips based on TU102, one is the TU102-300 and the other TU102-300-A. That A model is short for an OC SKU. So when a board partner is using the TU102-300 (and not TU102-300-A), then they are not allowed to factory tweak it. Thus such a product would end up at reference clock frequencies and would end up in the cheaper blower cooler style products right? Likely the better yielded GPUs end up as an A model.
Now here's why I wanted to write a news item on this: people can still manually tweak that non-A model. So you as a person could grab Afterburner or any tool of your preference to overclock yourself. Chances, however, are higher than the overclock might be less than the A model.
I hope that clarifies a thing or two. BTW TPU who reported this is spot on, we've verified this weeks ago already with many AIBs. And from what we learned, all of them are simply opting the A (OC) series GPUs.
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#5585520 Posted on: 09/17/2018 01:44 PM
Isn't the more likely scenario that both start life as the same chip, but once binned, the higher performing chips get an "A" designation. Makes perfect sense for reference cards to use the lower performing bins.
Isn't the more likely scenario that both start life as the same chip, but once binned, the higher performing chips get an "A" designation. Makes perfect sense for reference cards to use the lower performing bins.
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#5585523 Posted on: 09/17/2018 01:49 PM
It would have to be the oc model that would die off otherwise nvidia would be throwing away a pile of otherwise usable gpu's
You could still get your higher binned parts then as per usual.
Any word on how much of a difference there is between the 2 sku's
This sounds like they're trying to artificially create premiums that they can charge more for which i'm not a fan of i hope the none OC version dies off and goes away forever as its unneeded and doesn't cost any more or less to produce.
It would have to be the oc model that would die off otherwise nvidia would be throwing away a pile of otherwise usable gpu's
You could still get your higher binned parts then as per usual.
Any word on how much of a difference there is between the 2 sku's
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#5585526 Posted on: 09/17/2018 02:01 PM
Nvidia better look out - Intel might get upset that their ideas are being copied without permission.
Nvidia better look out - Intel might get upset that their ideas are being copied without permission.
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#5585529 Posted on: 09/17/2018 02:02 PM
Sounds like buying a locked versus unlocked CPU equivalent now. Just another reason to add a premium.
Sounds like buying a locked versus unlocked CPU equivalent now. Just another reason to add a premium.
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#5585530 Posted on: 09/17/2018 02:03 PM
My disappointment with Nvidia is growing by the day, they are heading towards Apple levels.
My disappointment with Nvidia is growing by the day, they are heading towards Apple levels.
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#5585536 Posted on: 09/17/2018 02:13 PM
They keep pushing into the board partners territory because they see lost $$$$
This will only hurt MSI Asus Gainward Evga Zotac Gigabyte inno3d ect ect ect
First these duel fan cards now this.
Lets see if it back fires on them because these board partner are having to keep absorbing Nvidia greed, because now they will have to pay more.
They keep pushing into the board partners territory because they see lost $$$$
This will only hurt MSI Asus Gainward Evga Zotac Gigabyte inno3d ect ect ect
First these duel fan cards now this.
Lets see if it back fires on them because these board partner are having to keep absorbing Nvidia greed, because now they will have to pay more.
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#5585541 Posted on: 09/17/2018 02:22 PM
They keep pushing into the board partners territory because they see lost $$$$
This will only hurt MSI Asus Gainward Evga Zotac Gigabyte inno3d ect ect ect
First these duel fan cards now this.
Lets see if it back fires on them because these board partner are having to keep absorbing Nvidia Greed
Honestly, I don't really have much of a problem with this. IMO, the market is over-saturated with AIB partners (for either Nvidia or AMD) anyway. From what I hear, profit margins are pretty minimal, where I'm sure these companies are cutting corners. Fewer competitors should help improve this situation (note, I said fewer, there should still be several competitors for a healthy market).
They keep pushing into the board partners territory because they see lost $$$$
This will only hurt MSI Asus Gainward Evga Zotac Gigabyte inno3d ect ect ect
First these duel fan cards now this.
Lets see if it back fires on them because these board partner are having to keep absorbing Nvidia Greed
Honestly, I don't really have much of a problem with this. IMO, the market is over-saturated with AIB partners (for either Nvidia or AMD) anyway. From what I hear, profit margins are pretty minimal, where I'm sure these companies are cutting corners. Fewer competitors should help improve this situation (note, I said fewer, there should still be several competitors for a healthy market).
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#5585542 Posted on: 09/17/2018 02:23 PM
given the size of each chip, there are obviously going to be less yields of high asic quality end product, this makes sense.
it also quantifies opinion that 12nm will not be used long term.
given the size of each chip, there are obviously going to be less yields of high asic quality end product, this makes sense.
it also quantifies opinion that 12nm will not be used long term.
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#5585550 Posted on: 09/17/2018 02:47 PM
And the squeeze-roo keeps going. I wish AMD was more competitive right now. Thankfully, from 2020 on, Intel will be too.
And the squeeze-roo keeps going. I wish AMD was more competitive right now. Thankfully, from 2020 on, Intel will be too.
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#5585562 Posted on: 09/17/2018 03:10 PM
Well I guess this ok as long as there is a significant difference in the max achievable OC from an "A" die vs regular die. If this were the case then perhaps it's worth spending a bit more money on the better binned "A" version, but we'll have to see how much of a difference the price is compared to any max OC differences that may or may not be seen.
Well I guess this ok as long as there is a significant difference in the max achievable OC from an "A" die vs regular die. If this were the case then perhaps it's worth spending a bit more money on the better binned "A" version, but we'll have to see how much of a difference the price is compared to any max OC differences that may or may not be seen.
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#5585569 Posted on: 09/17/2018 03:28 PM
It makes some sense selling better chips at a (small) premium but i have a feeling that the difference between the two chips is going to be minimal. Not to mention that Nvidia has limits regarding higher overclocks so it´s possible both chips will OC almost the same, the biggest difference could be on the thermal profiles.
I disagree with this. I hate the fact that Nvidia is trying to compete directly against their AIB partners with their own cards, it´s like Nvidia is telling them directly to fuck off at the same time it makes business with them... I really wish people would stop buying their FE cards because if those become to successful one day Nvidia may be tempted to cut ties with their AIBs and simply sell their cards directly...
It makes some sense selling better chips at a (small) premium but i have a feeling that the difference between the two chips is going to be minimal. Not to mention that Nvidia has limits regarding higher overclocks so it´s possible both chips will OC almost the same, the biggest difference could be on the thermal profiles.
Honestly, I don't really have much of a problem with this. IMO, the market is over-saturated with AIB partners (for either Nvidia or AMD) anyway. From what I hear, profit margins are pretty minimal, where I'm sure these companies are cutting corners. Fewer competitors should help improve this situation (note, I said fewer, there should still be several competitors for a healthy market).
I disagree with this. I hate the fact that Nvidia is trying to compete directly against their AIB partners with their own cards, it´s like Nvidia is telling them directly to fuck off at the same time it makes business with them... I really wish people would stop buying their FE cards because if those become to successful one day Nvidia may be tempted to cut ties with their AIBs and simply sell their cards directly...
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#5585578 Posted on: 09/17/2018 03:55 PM
I find it confusing when people say i wish AMD was more competitive.
My gaming experience is fantastic i can max all my games out so the statement is kind of nonsense to me.
Its clear people dont own a VEGA because if they did they would realise how stupid that statement sounds.
I find it confusing when people say i wish AMD was more competitive.
My gaming experience is fantastic i can max all my games out so the statement is kind of nonsense to me.
Its clear people dont own a VEGA because if they did they would realise how stupid that statement sounds.
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#5585580 Posted on: 09/17/2018 04:00 PM
I find it confusing when people say i wish AMD was more competitive.
My gaming experience is fantastic i can max all my games out so the statement is kind of nonsense to me.
Its clear people dont own a VEGA because if they did they would realise how stupid that statement sounds.
They are talking about competitive in the market... it's pretty obvious they aren't competitive when Nvidia is selling out $1200 video cards. Whether that be due to performance, advertising, clout in the industry, whatever.. doesn't really matter.
I find it confusing when people say i wish AMD was more competitive.
My gaming experience is fantastic i can max all my games out so the statement is kind of nonsense to me.
Its clear people dont own a VEGA because if they did they would realise how stupid that statement sounds.
They are talking about competitive in the market... it's pretty obvious they aren't competitive when Nvidia is selling out $1200 video cards. Whether that be due to performance, advertising, clout in the industry, whatever.. doesn't really matter.
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#5585581 Posted on: 09/17/2018 04:00 PM
I find it confusing when people say i wish AMD was more competitive.
My gaming experience is fantastic i can max all my games out so the statement is kind of nonsense to me.
Its clear people dont own a VEGA because if they did they would realise how stupid that statement sounds.
Problem is Vega only had competition with the 1080(which even then Vega 64 would still end up pulling behind the 1080), and not the Ti. HBM2 made it expensive and yields were low so availability sucked ontop of Miners buying them up when they were available. Vega is not bad, but just was not available to anyone and Pascal has it's place in the market too much for Vega to take down.
I find it confusing when people say i wish AMD was more competitive.
My gaming experience is fantastic i can max all my games out so the statement is kind of nonsense to me.
Its clear people dont own a VEGA because if they did they would realise how stupid that statement sounds.
Problem is Vega only had competition with the 1080(which even then Vega 64 would still end up pulling behind the 1080), and not the Ti. HBM2 made it expensive and yields were low so availability sucked ontop of Miners buying them up when they were available. Vega is not bad, but just was not available to anyone and Pascal has it's place in the market too much for Vega to take down.
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This sounds like they're trying to artificially create premiums that they can charge more for which i'm not a fan of i hope the none OC version dies off and goes away forever as its unneeded and doesn't cost any more or less to produce.