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NVIDIA Sells Two SKUs of each Turing GPU (a normal and OC model)
So a colleague website just posted this, and since the cat is out of the bag we might as well post it also. A while ago we noticed separated (two) GPU hardware IDs for the same Turning GPU. Let's call it an A and B model for each GPU. The one is a standard SKU, the other an OC version. And here is how that works.
So let's take the GeForce RTX 2080 Ti as an example, the GPU in there is a TU102. So basically NVIDIA offers two chips based on TU102, one is the TU102-300 and the other TU102-300-A. That A model is short for an OC SKU. So when a board partner is using the TU102-300 (and not TU102-300-A), then they are not allowed to factory tweak it. Thus such a product would end up at reference clock frequencies and would end up in the cheaper blower cooler style products right? Likely the better yielded GPUs end up as an A model.
Now here's why I wanted to write a news item on this: people can still manually tweak that non-A model. So you as a person could grab Afterburner or any tool of your preference to overclock yourself. Chances, however, are higher than the overclock might be less than the A model.
I hope that clarifies a thing or two. BTW TPU who reported this is spot on, we've verified this weeks ago already with many AIBs. And from what we learned, all of them are simply opting the A (OC) series GPUs.
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#5585634 Posted on: 09/17/2018 07:10 PM
Does this only applies to AIB partners selection/preference? Or it also applies to the ones sold directly at Nvidia's website?
If so, how do the customers know which one they will get if pre-ordered directly from Nvidia, if that's the case? Nvm. 2080Ti Founders have already a factory oc applied which indicates the use of TU102-300-A sku.
And if they were only selling TU102-300-A(oc sku) at the Nvidia website, what will happen to all the rest non-oc TU102-300, since no one is opting for them?
Or the AIB's do indeed opt for the non-oc TU102-300 but only for the blower style/cheapest release version of each brand?
Last but not least, wasn't the RTX 2080 NDA supposed to be lifted today(Sept 17th)? Just checked and it seems it's been pushed back to September 19th.
Does this only applies to AIB partners selection/preference? Or it also applies to the ones sold directly at Nvidia's website?
If so, how do the customers know which one they will get if pre-ordered directly from Nvidia, if that's the case? Nvm. 2080Ti Founders have already a factory oc applied which indicates the use of TU102-300-A sku.
And if they were only selling TU102-300-A(oc sku) at the Nvidia website, what will happen to all the rest non-oc TU102-300, since no one is opting for them?
Or the AIB's do indeed opt for the non-oc TU102-300 but only for the blower style/cheapest release version of each brand?
Last but not least, wasn't the RTX 2080 NDA supposed to be lifted today(Sept 17th)? Just checked and it seems it's been pushed back to September 19th.
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#5585639 Posted on: 09/17/2018 07:22 PM
I find it confusing when people say i wish AMD was more competitive.
My gaming experience is fantastic i can max all my games out so the statement is kind of nonsense to me.
Its clear people dont own a VEGA because if they did they would realise how stupid that statement sounds.
People want AMD to produce better products in every way
AMD the last few generations have usually been marginally slower, while being hotter and significantly more power hungry.
Selling RX vega64 for more than a 1080Ti(that is significantly faster) is not a good product for the price.
Unfortunately miners did jack up the prices but AMD cards just haven't been comparable to alternate NV cards as a whole.
RX580 is a bit faster than the equivalent 1060 but uses more than double the wattage to do so.
That's not a competitive architecture.
Similar comparison for vega vs 1070/1080
The extreme power gap between AMD and NV shows that AMD is forced to have higher voltages and clock speeds to reach similar performance.
Pascal and kepler are clocked low out-of-the-box with a huge clock ceiling.
That's like a chevy trying to tune their V8 to the max while sacrificing efficiency/MPG to get comparable performance to another manufacturer.
So the statement "I wish AMD was more competitive" is a good one.
If they could produce all around better cards than NV, NV would have to put much more effort in their designs while not raising their prices.
1200USD for a 2080Ti is because AMD is not competitive.
If vega 64 was 500 USD and performed better than the 1080Ti do you think 2080Ti would be 1200?
Absolutely not.
and lastly, your experience is not everyone's experience.
That's your opinion.
I can tell you that vega64 is definitely not fast enough for me and my experience would not be fantastic either(even my 2100mhz 1080ti is not fast enough)
I play 165hz 1440P and find <100 fps jarring.
I find it confusing when people say i wish AMD was more competitive.
My gaming experience is fantastic i can max all my games out so the statement is kind of nonsense to me.
Its clear people dont own a VEGA because if they did they would realise how stupid that statement sounds.
People want AMD to produce better products in every way
AMD the last few generations have usually been marginally slower, while being hotter and significantly more power hungry.
Selling RX vega64 for more than a 1080Ti(that is significantly faster) is not a good product for the price.
Unfortunately miners did jack up the prices but AMD cards just haven't been comparable to alternate NV cards as a whole.
RX580 is a bit faster than the equivalent 1060 but uses more than double the wattage to do so.
That's not a competitive architecture.
Similar comparison for vega vs 1070/1080
The extreme power gap between AMD and NV shows that AMD is forced to have higher voltages and clock speeds to reach similar performance.
Pascal and kepler are clocked low out-of-the-box with a huge clock ceiling.
That's like a chevy trying to tune their V8 to the max while sacrificing efficiency/MPG to get comparable performance to another manufacturer.
So the statement "I wish AMD was more competitive" is a good one.
If they could produce all around better cards than NV, NV would have to put much more effort in their designs while not raising their prices.
1200USD for a 2080Ti is because AMD is not competitive.
If vega 64 was 500 USD and performed better than the 1080Ti do you think 2080Ti would be 1200?
Absolutely not.
and lastly, your experience is not everyone's experience.
That's your opinion.
I can tell you that vega64 is definitely not fast enough for me and my experience would not be fantastic either(even my 2100mhz 1080ti is not fast enough)
I play 165hz 1440P and find <100 fps jarring.
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#5585647 Posted on: 09/17/2018 07:31 PM
It's not even at the higher end of the market where nvidia has this superior mystique.
I remember a few years ago a mate of mine was convinced that a gtx970 was an upgrade over his rx480.
There's no doubt that in the highest tiers like the 1080ti/titan and the new 20xx series have no competition but at the lower tiers I would not recommend nvidia over amd or vice versa
The only recommendation I would give would be based on performance/€
Yeah, Nvidia dominates in the mainstream and budget markets as well, with the GTX 1060 vastly outselling the RX 480/580. In reality, these gamers would be far better off with a AMD GPU + FreeSync monitor but Nvidia's brand is extremely strong.
It's not even at the higher end of the market where nvidia has this superior mystique.
I remember a few years ago a mate of mine was convinced that a gtx970 was an upgrade over his rx480.
There's no doubt that in the highest tiers like the 1080ti/titan and the new 20xx series have no competition but at the lower tiers I would not recommend nvidia over amd or vice versa
The only recommendation I would give would be based on performance/€
Yeah, Nvidia dominates in the mainstream and budget markets as well, with the GTX 1060 vastly outselling the RX 480/580. In reality, these gamers would be far better off with a AMD GPU + FreeSync monitor but Nvidia's brand is extremely strong.
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#5585653 Posted on: 09/17/2018 07:40 PM
not if they dont need free/gsync.
the 1060/6 is fast enough to do most games with decent settings @60 with reg vsync.
and its not like a lot of those buying 1060s have gsync monitors,
so removing the freesync "advantage" from the occasion, means you need a 580 (rather than a 480) to be on 1060 level.
not if they dont need free/gsync.
the 1060/6 is fast enough to do most games with decent settings @60 with reg vsync.
and its not like a lot of those buying 1060s have gsync monitors,
so removing the freesync "advantage" from the occasion, means you need a 580 (rather than a 480) to be on 1060 level.
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@Yogi
you forgot the time frame you want to cover.
there is a difference if i need to get something to use the pc/play games for a couple of month before getting something bigger,
or if im willing to spend more on a bigger chip, cause i want to keep for years/future game releases, even if its not the best ratio...