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NVIDIA releases some RTX 2080 performance numbers and some info on DLSS
So here in Germany the NVIDIA editors day just ended. The media has been briefed on the latest tech. While most of this all is still under embargo, there are some things we can share. First off, after the announcements last Monday, a lot of people have been curious about the actual 'normal' game perf increases over last gen.
NVIDIA just released some slides on that which we want to share with you.
"Powered by Turing’s Tensor Cores, which perform lightning-fast deep neural network processing, GeForce RTX GPUs also support Deep Learning Super-Sampling (DLSS), a technology that applies deep learning and AI to rendering techniques, resulting in crisp, smooth edges on rendered objects in games."
Basically, from what we have seen - if you compare 1:1 say a GTX 1080 to RTX 2080 and so forwards, you may expect 1.2x to 1.5x performance increases from generation to generation thanks to the new architectural changes made in the rendering pipeline. Of course, the final results as measured by editors and reviewers in the end matter. But for now, this is what NVIDIA released, also look a bit closer at the lower chart for some FPS numbers for the GTX 2080:
Deep Learning Super Sampling
Performance measurements will be a bit different this round though as NVIDIA is introducing DLSS, a supersampling antialiasing methodology that runs in AI directly over the Tensor cores after the image frame has been finished. The new technology looks promising and will offer great performance increases as you will not apply to say TAA over the rendering engine, DLSS was running over the tensor cores, AI AA.
We've seen some game demos of the same game running on a 1080 Ti and the other on the 2080 Ti, the performance was often doubled with close to the same image quality. DLSS is short for High-Quality Motion Image generation, Deep Learning Super Sampling. And it looked quite impressive. DLSS is not game specific, and in the future should work on most game titles.
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#5576763 Posted on: 08/22/2018 07:07 PM
Ok, now Im starting to believe a little.
Ok, now Im starting to believe a little.
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#5576765 Posted on: 08/22/2018 07:08 PM
Glad I pre-ordered the Ti now. I have a 4K monitor but not a great one only capable of 60Hrtz so I was happy with just being able to hit 60FPS. Also I would have been impressed anyways since I'm coming from an old GTX970. I'm excited to see how my HTC Vive works with the new card and trying to boost the resolution on some of the games that struggled with the old 970.
Glad I pre-ordered the Ti now. I have a 4K monitor but not a great one only capable of 60Hrtz so I was happy with just being able to hit 60FPS. Also I would have been impressed anyways since I'm coming from an old GTX970. I'm excited to see how my HTC Vive works with the new card and trying to boost the resolution on some of the games that struggled with the old 970.
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#5576767 Posted on: 08/22/2018 07:11 PM
Oh my, now that's interesting...
Oh my, now that's interesting...
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#5576772 Posted on: 08/22/2018 07:15 PM
I'll start believing when 3rd party reviews are starting to pop up with tests and benchmarks done by themselves in their own computers.
Especially one from Hilbert.
... oh wait, that's not believing, it's measuring. Also known as "science".
Ok, now Im starting to believe a little.
I'll start believing when 3rd party reviews are starting to pop up with tests and benchmarks done by themselves in their own computers.
Especially one from Hilbert.
... oh wait, that's not believing, it's measuring. Also known as "science".
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#5576774 Posted on: 08/22/2018 07:20 PM
I'll start believing when 3rd party reviews are starting to pop up with tests and benchmarks done by themselves in their own computers.
Especially one from Hilbert.
... oh wait, that's not believing, it's measuring. Also known as "science".
At best it's benchmark measuring since to be considered science all reviewers would need the same consistent platforms and conditions to truly prove something is what it is purported to be. Every reviewers system will be different and their takes will also be different so nothing really scientific about.
I'll start believing when 3rd party reviews are starting to pop up with tests and benchmarks done by themselves in their own computers.
Especially one from Hilbert.
... oh wait, that's not believing, it's measuring. Also known as "science".
At best it's benchmark measuring since to be considered science all reviewers would need the same consistent platforms and conditions to truly prove something is what it is purported to be. Every reviewers system will be different and their takes will also be different so nothing really scientific about.
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#5576776 Posted on: 08/22/2018 07:25 PM
@Hilbert Hagedoorn Can you please expand on "DLSS is not game specific, and in the future should work on most game titles."
Was it enabled outside of the game's own settings? I mean to ask, how have you determined that it's not game specific, it's AI based so I imagine it needs to be trained on ground truth?
Thanks.
@Hilbert Hagedoorn Can you please expand on "DLSS is not game specific, and in the future should work on most game titles."
Was it enabled outside of the game's own settings? I mean to ask, how have you determined that it's not game specific, it's AI based so I imagine it needs to be trained on ground truth?
Thanks.
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#5576778 Posted on: 08/22/2018 07:30 PM
So tiny bit faster then 1080ti.. that said 2070 will be between 1080 and 1080ti. Maybe near 1080ti if OCed to max.
So tiny bit faster then 1080ti.. that said 2070 will be between 1080 and 1080ti. Maybe near 1080ti if OCed to max.
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#5576779 Posted on: 08/22/2018 07:31 PM
So... even without RTX rendering... even without DLSS... none of the mentioned games in that bar diagram show below 30% performance gain...
So... even without RTX rendering... even without DLSS... none of the mentioned games in that bar diagram show below 30% performance gain...
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#5576780 Posted on: 08/22/2018 07:32 PM
ok now we can talk something after the officail nv x better slides.
1080ti performance around?
well tbh it would be less stupid of me to buy a 20ti then when I got a og titan and that other titan for games and 1k+ price tag
been rolling on a 750ti far too long just hoping its a fun card to mod
ok now we can talk something after the officail nv x better slides.
1080ti performance around?
well tbh it would be less stupid of me to buy a 20ti then when I got a og titan and that other titan for games and 1k+ price tag
been rolling on a 750ti far too long just hoping its a fun card to mod
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#5576786 Posted on: 08/22/2018 07:41 PM
Those DLSS numbers are amazing (if true). I was hoping that it would be so much faster then ordinary AA methods, and it looks to be quite the case.
Gains in that magnitude should also motivate a lot of developers to support DLSS, so that should be good.
Those DLSS numbers are amazing (if true). I was hoping that it would be so much faster then ordinary AA methods, and it looks to be quite the case.
Gains in that magnitude should also motivate a lot of developers to support DLSS, so that should be good.
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#5576787 Posted on: 08/22/2018 07:41 PM
ok now we can talk something after the officail nv x better slides.
1080ti performance around?
well tbh it would be less stupid of me to buy a 20ti then when I got a og titan and that other titan for games and 1k+ price tag
been rolling on a 750ti far too long just hoping its a fun card to mod
If you're going to mod that's something I'd like to see!
ok now we can talk something after the officail nv x better slides.
1080ti performance around?
well tbh it would be less stupid of me to buy a 20ti then when I got a og titan and that other titan for games and 1k+ price tag
been rolling on a 750ti far too long just hoping its a fun card to mod
If you're going to mod that's something I'd like to see!
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#5576791 Posted on: 08/22/2018 07:45 PM
While I'm taking that chart with a grain of salt, I'm looking forward to see DLSS way more than ray tracing.
While I'm taking that chart with a grain of salt, I'm looking forward to see DLSS way more than ray tracing.
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#5576792 Posted on: 08/22/2018 07:46 PM
@Hilbert Hagedoorn Can you please expand on "DLSS is not game specific, and in the future should work on most game titles."
Was it enabled outside of the game's own settings? I mean to ask, how have you determined that it's not game specific, it's AI based so I imagine it needs to be trained on ground truth?
Thanks.
In the presentation it was said that the algorithm needs to be trained for the specific games, so developers can submit it to NVIDIA for training on their super computer, and then basically just enable it once the data is available. Sounds to me like it sort-of is game specific, but perhaps easy to use.
@Hilbert Hagedoorn Can you please expand on "DLSS is not game specific, and in the future should work on most game titles."
Was it enabled outside of the game's own settings? I mean to ask, how have you determined that it's not game specific, it's AI based so I imagine it needs to be trained on ground truth?
Thanks.
In the presentation it was said that the algorithm needs to be trained for the specific games, so developers can submit it to NVIDIA for training on their super computer, and then basically just enable it once the data is available. Sounds to me like it sort-of is game specific, but perhaps easy to use.
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#5576793 Posted on: 08/22/2018 07:48 PM
So tensor cores are not a quadro exclusive? we get them too?
I understand the bump, basically you disable AA from game setting and free shader resources, and you get it back from the tensor core, on top of it.
So tensor cores are not a quadro exclusive? we get them too?
I understand the bump, basically you disable AA from game setting and free shader resources, and you get it back from the tensor core, on top of it.
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Interesting, this is the standard RTX2080.
I guess i can finally play at Ultrawide 1440p with 100FPS easy with a 2080Ti, sadly i don't think i'll be buying one, too expensive. I wonder if with 7nm the 2080Ti (or a refresh) will use 200W instead of 250W