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Nvidia promises to improve image quality issues with DLSS
NVIDIA is under a bit of scrutiny in regards towards DLSS image quality (or the lack of it). In the articles we have posted last week, we have shown some example on DLSS image quality, and as we explained, DLSS works but makes scenes more blurry.
NVIDIA put up a blog post, and despite the problems with image quality, it promises improvements in the form of updates. For Battlefield V (check our test here) they claim that with the most recent update there already have been improvements, but for the next update, they would be working on better images for Full HD and ultrawide resolutions.
there are also plans to update Metro Exodus (tested here), to improve image quality. There must also be improvements for Metro Exodus.
Q: When’s the next DLSS update for Battlefield V and Metro Exodus?
A: We are constantly working to improve image quality. Recently we updated the core of DLSS so that you get the latest model updates the moment you launch your game. So make sure you have our latest Game Ready Driver(418.91 or higher) installed.
For Battlefield V, we think DLSS delivers a big improvement in 4K and 2560x1440 performance -- up to 40% -- for the corresponding quality, but also hear the community. For the next push, we are focusing our testing and training to improve the image quality at 1920x1080 and also for ultrawide monitors (e.g. 3440x1440). The current experience at these resolutions is not where we want them.
For Metro Exodus, we’ve got an update coming that improves DLSS sharpness and overall image quality across all resolutions that didn’t make it into day of launch. We’re also training DLSS on a larger cross section of the game, and once these updates are ready you will see another increase in quality. Lastly, we are looking into a few other reported issues, such as with HDR, and will update as soon as we have fixes.
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#5640965 Posted on: 02/18/2019 10:00 AM
Go to
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#5640966 Posted on: 02/18/2019 10:00 AM
we pwwwwomise.... just but your cards okay 0.-
we pwwwwomise.... just but your cards okay 0.-
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#5640967 Posted on: 02/18/2019 10:13 AM
We make promises so we don't look bad and shareholders can keep trust in us.
A+ for the effort!
We make promises so we don't look bad and shareholders can keep trust in us.
A+ for the effort!
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#5640977 Posted on: 02/18/2019 10:38 AM
That's true.
we pwwwwomise.... just but your cards okay 0.-
That's true.
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#5640980 Posted on: 02/18/2019 10:43 AM
In an old thread I got jumped on by one particular Nvidia fanboi when I said you can't AI your way out of lack of information.
Whether what I said is more or less true in different use-cases is debatable but it seems Nvidia are finding it hard to achieve what they claimed they could do. By the time they resolve the issues with Battlefield 5, Battlefield 6 will be released.
In an old thread I got jumped on by one particular Nvidia fanboi when I said you can't AI your way out of lack of information.
Whether what I said is more or less true in different use-cases is debatable but it seems Nvidia are finding it hard to achieve what they claimed they could do. By the time they resolve the issues with Battlefield 5, Battlefield 6 will be released.
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#5640989 Posted on: 02/18/2019 11:03 AM
INTEL & NVIDIA pull shady stunts that hurt AMD and no one really bats an eye.................., AMD tries to fight fair and god forbid their products are a hair slower everyone loses their minds and call AMD a failing poor peasant POS product. Been following AMD since I was a kid around 1990-1993 and I have never seen a company that has stood this strong hanging with the one and only SHADY INTEL and other big dogs.
INTEL & NVIDIA pull shady stunts that hurt AMD and no one really bats an eye.................., AMD tries to fight fair and god forbid their products are a hair slower everyone loses their minds and call AMD a failing poor peasant POS product. Been following AMD since I was a kid around 1990-1993 and I have never seen a company that has stood this strong hanging with the one and only SHADY INTEL and other big dogs.
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#5640993 Posted on: 02/18/2019 11:12 AM
And some RTX defenders (probably milked customers) claimed there is no image quality loss.
And some RTX defenders (probably milked customers) claimed there is no image quality loss.
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#5641001 Posted on: 02/18/2019 11:46 AM
So they basically admit that DLSS is bad...
yikes Nvidia shouldn't you test something before spending billions on it?
So they basically admit that DLSS is bad...
yikes Nvidia shouldn't you test something before spending billions on it?
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#5641002 Posted on: 02/18/2019 11:46 AM
In an old thread I got jumped on by one particular Nvidia fanboi when I said you can't AI your way out of lack of information.
Whether what I said is more or less true in different use-cases is debatable but it seems Nvidia are finding it hard to achieve what they claimed they could do. By the time they resolve the issues with Battlefield 5, Battlefield 6 will be released.
In a way, you can. But it is not cheap on compute and AI type used is different than DLSS. Vectorizing lower resolution image and getting each 2d polygon texture. That way you can keep sharp edges upon upscaling.
With the textures, it is much harder job. Getting fine details from reduced ones can result in some inconsistency. But it could definitely be better than what we have seen till now.
In an old thread I got jumped on by one particular Nvidia fanboi when I said you can't AI your way out of lack of information.
Whether what I said is more or less true in different use-cases is debatable but it seems Nvidia are finding it hard to achieve what they claimed they could do. By the time they resolve the issues with Battlefield 5, Battlefield 6 will be released.
In a way, you can. But it is not cheap on compute and AI type used is different than DLSS. Vectorizing lower resolution image and getting each 2d polygon texture. That way you can keep sharp edges upon upscaling.
With the textures, it is much harder job. Getting fine details from reduced ones can result in some inconsistency. But it could definitely be better than what we have seen till now.
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#5641004 Posted on: 02/18/2019 11:54 AM
.... Let's move onwards with the hype for now then we will do something about it
.... Let's move onwards with the hype for now then we will do something about it
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#5641006 Posted on: 02/18/2019 12:00 PM
INTEL & NVIDIA pull shady stunts that hurt AMD and no one really bats an eye.................., AMD tries to fight fair and god forbid their products are a hair slower everyone loses their minds and call AMD a failing poor peasant POS product. Been following AMD since I was a kid around 1990-1993 and I have never seen a company that has stood this strong hanging with the one and only SHADY INTEL and other big dogs.
Not quite to that extent, but yes, so many in other forums are saying toxic stuff about the Radeon VII....which I, as a user, find to be a pretty good and powerful card. Drivers could be improved upon for better performance, but the present driver, 19.2.2, is pretty good already. Haven't had any issue while playing the games I play, including RE2 and Metro Exodus.
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#5641010 Posted on: 02/18/2019 12:09 PM
Ah, the pot-stirrers coming alive
Personally never cared about AA at high res (4k). DLSS has only elicited a big yawn for me.
And some RTX defenders (probably milked customers) claimed there is no image quality loss.
Ah, the pot-stirrers coming alive
Personally never cared about AA at high res (4k). DLSS has only elicited a big yawn for me.
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#5641033 Posted on: 02/18/2019 01:30 PM
we pwwwwomise.... just but your cards okay 0.-
We make promises so we don't look bad and shareholders can keep trust in us.
A+ for the effort!
Don´t tell me you guys don´t believe Nvidia´s promises?...
More seriously, i´m struggling to understand the appeal of DLSS on high end cards. High end cards should provide a great experience without any compromises instead of having to resort to "cheap" tricks to achieve the required targets. DLSS should be reserved for weaker cards like the 2070 or 2060.
we pwwwwomise.... just but your cards okay 0.-
We make promises so we don't look bad and shareholders can keep trust in us.
A+ for the effort!
Don´t tell me you guys don´t believe Nvidia´s promises?...
More seriously, i´m struggling to understand the appeal of DLSS on high end cards. High end cards should provide a great experience without any compromises instead of having to resort to "cheap" tricks to achieve the required targets. DLSS should be reserved for weaker cards like the 2070 or 2060.
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#5641048 Posted on: 02/18/2019 02:25 PM
I only game at 1440p but even so I find myself agreeing, compared to 1080p there's already far less need for AA IMO.
Of course with modern titles being relegated to TAA/SMAA/FXAA or other postfx alternatives we're often looking at an image quality reduction rather than improvement these days, compared to MSAA or SSAA.
With LCDs I always found that the number 1 priority to achieve good image quality was running at native resolution, or an even multiplier of it. Which is why resolution scaling, and the upscaling nature of of DLSS, feels a bit weird to me.
Obviously DLSS was sold as a performance increase compared to TAA more than an image quality uplift but I always felt that was a mistake from the start. As PC gamers we often have no shortage of knobs to turn to get higher framerates if need be, a genuine image quality improvement would be a novelty though.
Personally never cared about AA at high res (4k).
I only game at 1440p but even so I find myself agreeing, compared to 1080p there's already far less need for AA IMO.
Of course with modern titles being relegated to TAA/SMAA/FXAA or other postfx alternatives we're often looking at an image quality reduction rather than improvement these days, compared to MSAA or SSAA.
With LCDs I always found that the number 1 priority to achieve good image quality was running at native resolution, or an even multiplier of it. Which is why resolution scaling, and the upscaling nature of of DLSS, feels a bit weird to me.
Obviously DLSS was sold as a performance increase compared to TAA more than an image quality uplift but I always felt that was a mistake from the start. As PC gamers we often have no shortage of knobs to turn to get higher framerates if need be, a genuine image quality improvement would be a novelty though.
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Well at least they're trying.