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NVIDIA Pascal GP104 Die Photo
Last week Nvidia announced the Tesla P100 data-center GPU and if you looked closely at the photo's you could already clearly see that big Pascal 15B transistor GPU being used. A new photo this time showing the GP104 GPU (successor to the GM204 = GTX 970/980).
According to the leak the photo shown below is the GP104 (GM204 successor) intended for Nvidia's pending high-end products, and it measures roughly 290-300mm². At the right side you can see Samsung K4G80325FB - 1.5V 8Gb 8Gbps (8000MHz) GDDR5. Word on the street is that this GPU would hold 2560 shader processors.
The rectangular die of the GP104 was measured at 15.35 mm x 19.18 mm which should house (very speculative) a transistor-count of 7.4~7.9 billion. Interesting to see is that this chip is tied towards Samsung 8-gigabit GDDR5 memory chips. These ICs run an effective speed of 8 GHz (GDDR5 and thus not GDDR5X). At 256-bit you'ld be looking at 256 GB/s of bandwidth. The shader processor core count of the GP104 could be closer to 2,560, than the 4,096 from an older report.
Earlier on it was speculated that graphics cards based on these GPUs would be called X70 and X80, the specs do not meet up even slightly though.
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#5256431 Posted on: 04/11/2016 11:18 AM
Not for this small guy. Big things are needed... Vega?
Not for this small guy. Big things are needed... Vega?
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#5256432 Posted on: 04/11/2016 11:19 AM
So no more GTX brand for nvidia after all this years, now its just X.
So no more GTX brand for nvidia after all this years, now its just X.
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#5256435 Posted on: 04/11/2016 11:32 AM
I said it a few days ago, and still believe this. I think Polaris is going to come out on top at all price points this round. I think people are going to be surprised in the next couple months with what AMD will have to offer.
I said it a few days ago, and still believe this. I think Polaris is going to come out on top at all price points this round. I think people are going to be surprised in the next couple months with what AMD will have to offer.
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#5256439 Posted on: 04/11/2016 11:39 AM
Seems quite underwhelming, not even GDDR5X memory.
Seems quite underwhelming, not even GDDR5X memory.
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#5256451 Posted on: 04/11/2016 12:18 PM
I'm not excited with this. Seems way underwhelming. Sure it will be faster than 9xx series but not that much. And since HDM and DDR5X are not ready yet for the mainstream we have to wait until the next generation to see a good performance jump. They need to push 4K gaming with a single card to the mainstream.
I'm not excited with this. Seems way underwhelming. Sure it will be faster than 9xx series but not that much. And since HDM and DDR5X are not ready yet for the mainstream we have to wait until the next generation to see a good performance jump. They need to push 4K gaming with a single card to the mainstream.
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#5256452 Posted on: 04/11/2016 12:19 PM
Hm, going to be interesting to see what this turns out to be. Seems a bit underwhelming?
Hm, going to be interesting to see what this turns out to be. Seems a bit underwhelming?
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#5256453 Posted on: 04/11/2016 12:20 PM
Can't come soon enough, my 680 served me well for 4 years.
Can't come soon enough, my 680 served me well for 4 years.
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#5256462 Posted on: 04/11/2016 12:43 PM
I am disappointed if we would not see GDDR5X but at the same time I'm questioning if in the end it's actually needed. Even an overclocked-to-hell 980Ti (only core OC) won't get bandwidth starved any time soon.
Let's be serious, the hype around HBM was retarded - I cannot describe it any other way. Crap like '4GB HBM = 8GB GDDR5' or 'HBM will make 4k possible on one single card'. What the fek seriously. Sounds like the same people who say that DDR4 made their PCs much faster (no IGP).
I haven't seen conclusive proof that HBM actually helps the Fury X to a tangible level. If anyone has such proof, please share it with me.
What makes you say that? Genuinely curious.
I believe it all depends on how they implement DX12 features.
Atm AMD have an advantage in DX12 because everybody seems happy to jump to async shading but we haven't touched conservative rasterization yet, something GCN does not support.
If these guys (AMD/Nvidia) don't start supporting conservative raster and async shading respectively, we will see a huge ****fest similar to what's going on right now DX12-wise. Devs will have to side with one party and ditch the other.
Occasionally we might have the amazing dev which will actually take the time to optimize properly for both parties (for example coding volumetric lighting to take advantage of either conservative raster or async shading at will). Like I said. Sh!tfest.
I am disappointed if we would not see GDDR5X but at the same time I'm questioning if in the end it's actually needed. Even an overclocked-to-hell 980Ti (only core OC) won't get bandwidth starved any time soon.
Let's be serious, the hype around HBM was retarded - I cannot describe it any other way. Crap like '4GB HBM = 8GB GDDR5' or 'HBM will make 4k possible on one single card'. What the fek seriously. Sounds like the same people who say that DDR4 made their PCs much faster (no IGP).
I haven't seen conclusive proof that HBM actually helps the Fury X to a tangible level. If anyone has such proof, please share it with me.
I said it a few days ago, and still believe this. I think Polaris is going to come out on top at all price points this round. I think people are going to be surprised in the next couple months with what AMD will have to offer.
What makes you say that? Genuinely curious.
I believe it all depends on how they implement DX12 features.
Atm AMD have an advantage in DX12 because everybody seems happy to jump to async shading but we haven't touched conservative rasterization yet, something GCN does not support.
If these guys (AMD/Nvidia) don't start supporting conservative raster and async shading respectively, we will see a huge ****fest similar to what's going on right now DX12-wise. Devs will have to side with one party and ditch the other.
Occasionally we might have the amazing dev which will actually take the time to optimize properly for both parties (for example coding volumetric lighting to take advantage of either conservative raster or async shading at will). Like I said. Sh!tfest.
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#5256463 Posted on: 04/11/2016 12:49 PM
I'd say this is just a filler to make some sales. Not what we're waiting for. (HBM2, 15B transistors)
I'd say this is just a filler to make some sales. Not what we're waiting for. (HBM2, 15B transistors)
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#5256467 Posted on: 04/11/2016 12:56 PM
If these guys (AMD/Nvidia) don't start supporting conservative raster and async shading respectively, we will see a huge ****fest similar to what's going on right now DX12-wise. Devs will have to side with one party and ditch the other.
Occasionally we might have the amazing dev which will actually take the time to optimize properly for both parties (for example coding volumetric lighting to take advantage of either conservative raster or async shading at will). Like I said. Sh!tfest.
I tend to agree.
If these guys (AMD/Nvidia) don't start supporting conservative raster and async shading respectively, we will see a huge ****fest similar to what's going on right now DX12-wise. Devs will have to side with one party and ditch the other.
Occasionally we might have the amazing dev which will actually take the time to optimize properly for both parties (for example coding volumetric lighting to take advantage of either conservative raster or async shading at will). Like I said. Sh!tfest.
I tend to agree.
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#5256479 Posted on: 04/11/2016 01:22 PM
I mean it basically lines up with what Polaris 10 is. We aren't getting consumer level 600mm2 cards first and we've known that for over a year. I'm not sure why people are surprised by the specs.
I mean it basically lines up with what Polaris 10 is. We aren't getting consumer level 600mm2 cards first and we've known that for over a year. I'm not sure why people are surprised by the specs.
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#5256480 Posted on: 04/11/2016 01:24 PM
I would think both amd and nvidia will have full dx12 support with the upcoming gpus. Even intel has.
I would think both amd and nvidia will have full dx12 support with the upcoming gpus. Even intel has.
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#5256481 Posted on: 04/11/2016 01:27 PM
This is proly the 2nd most important GPU in NV lineup. After GP100.
Because of volumes sold at hefty prices in desktop and mobile, in both pro and GTX variant.
But how they'll be able to do it with GDDR5 and 256bit, I have no idea.
Faster memory modules and better compression are obvious starting points.
Hopefully it will make 980Ti completely obsolete. No worries, it will
Because anything else would be a fail.
I'd say this is just a filler to make some sales. Not what we're waiting for. (HBM2, 15B transistors)
This is proly the 2nd most important GPU in NV lineup. After GP100.
Because of volumes sold at hefty prices in desktop and mobile, in both pro and GTX variant.
But how they'll be able to do it with GDDR5 and 256bit, I have no idea.
Faster memory modules and better compression are obvious starting points.
Hopefully it will make 980Ti completely obsolete. No worries, it will
Because anything else would be a fail.
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#5256506 Posted on: 04/11/2016 02:54 PM
ofc 1070 will be well worth it(again), 980ti performance level for about 350/400$$ and combine that with 8GB gddr5 onboard
ofc 1070 will be well worth it(again), 980ti performance level for about 350/400$$ and combine that with 8GB gddr5 onboard
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warming up the wallets, time for some new gpus peeps.