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Nvidia might overhaul GeForce GTX 1060 with GP104 (a GTX 1070 GPU)
A new rumor just surfaced, fresh from Asia. Nvidia seems to be overhauling the GeForce GTX 1060 one more time. We’ve seen a 6GB 8 Gbps and then 9 Gbps model, of course, the three GB model, heck even a 5GB model for the Asia region, and the latest rumor now indicates a GTX 1060 with a hacked GTX 1070 GPU.
It’s surely been silent at team green, Volta is kept for HPC, AI, and Deep learning usage, and the earlier rumors of a Pascal respin this year, have gone silent. As it seems now though, Nvidia might release a new GeForce GTX 1060 (GP106-400), however now based on a GP104-300 GPU. And that’s the chip used in the GeForce GTX 1070, reports Asia based Expreview.
Now before you get all excited (or not), the specifications in terms of graphics memory and 192-bit memory bus, shader count (1280), clocks and TDP etc, would remain the same and as such the performance levels would be the same as well. That begs the question, as to why Nvidia would release these revised GTX 1060 cards? Perhaps clearing GPU stock to make room for new products? Then again, the 1070's have been selling like puppies with the recent mining craze, weird huh?
The original GeForce GTX 1060 Founders edition with the Nvidia GP106-A1 GPU ( 1,506 MHz core / 1,709 MHz boost / 8,008 MHz memory )
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#5546085 Posted on: 05/12/2018 03:11 PM
Sometimes people act like Nvidia owes them something. Like you said, they have these chips so they will obviously use them. They're a business, they're not here to bin these chips when they can make a card and sell it. I don't know why people act like they're offended by this, do they think Nvidia (or AMD) are in this to please anyone? Of course not, they're here to make money and all they care about is money. They literally live by numbers.
It does makes sense from a business perspective. Their products are still flying off the shelves (whenever available). If you are selling all you can produce at a target MSRP, then keep at it. Have you seen Nvidias store page? In the last 6 months, no GPU in stock lasted more than a few minutes. Only a couple days ago stocks lasted more than a day. They are selling as much as they can make. Hopefully that is changing soon as they are seeing the crypto craze begun to subside. Only now we have the likelihood of new gen cards expected out over next few months. I would think same with AMD, they are selling everything they make too. Sadly in their case, they wont have any new stuff out any time soon.
Sometimes people act like Nvidia owes them something. Like you said, they have these chips so they will obviously use them. They're a business, they're not here to bin these chips when they can make a card and sell it. I don't know why people act like they're offended by this, do they think Nvidia (or AMD) are in this to please anyone? Of course not, they're here to make money and all they care about is money. They literally live by numbers.
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#5546089 Posted on: 05/12/2018 03:41 PM
Well if they are still selling then it makes sense to continue but eventually this is going to come to a halt after everyone has what they need. It still seems unwise to leave sli support the way it is and not coming out with anything new for existing customers. If there's no competition then they should be able to get away with minimal increased performance.
Way to misinterpret a comment there. No one's offended nor feels anyone owes them something. Just seems the lack of ability of a new product isn't good for a business. Also sli support being the way that it is discourages gpu sales.
It does makes sense from a business perspective. Their products are still flying off the shelves (whenever available). If you are selling all you can produce at a target MSRP, then keep at it. Have you seen Nvidias store page? In the last 6 months, no GPU in stock lasted more than a few minutes. Only a couple days ago stocks lasted more than a day. They are selling as much as they can make. Hopefully that is changing soon as they are seeing the crypto craze begun to subside. Only now we have the likelihood of new gen cards expected out over next few months. I would think same with AMD, they are selling everything they make too. Sadly in their case, they wont have any new stuff out any time soon.
Well if they are still selling then it makes sense to continue but eventually this is going to come to a halt after everyone has what they need. It still seems unwise to leave sli support the way it is and not coming out with anything new for existing customers. If there's no competition then they should be able to get away with minimal increased performance.
Sometimes people act like Nvidia owes them something. Like you said, they have these chips so they will obviously use them. They're a business, they're not here to bin these chips when they can make a card and sell it. I don't know why people act like they're offended by this, do they think Nvidia (or AMD) are in this to please anyone? Of course not, they're here to make money and all they care about is money. They literally live by numbers.
Way to misinterpret a comment there. No one's offended nor feels anyone owes them something. Just seems the lack of ability of a new product isn't good for a business. Also sli support being the way that it is discourages gpu sales.
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#5546091 Posted on: 05/12/2018 03:53 PM
Way to misinterpret a comment there. No one's offended nor feels anyone owes them something. Just seems the lack of ability of a new product isn't good for a business. Also sli support being the way that it is discourages gpu sales.
Lack of ability of a new product? Why would Nvidia release a "new product" when AMD can't compete as it is? Why do you personally need a new Nvidia card? It's not like their line up isn't strong enough for you to chose from and get a considerable upgrade as it is.
Way to misinterpret a comment there. No one's offended nor feels anyone owes them something. Just seems the lack of ability of a new product isn't good for a business. Also sli support being the way that it is discourages gpu sales.
Lack of ability of a new product? Why would Nvidia release a "new product" when AMD can't compete as it is? Why do you personally need a new Nvidia card? It's not like their line up isn't strong enough for you to chose from and get a considerable upgrade as it is.
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#5546105 Posted on: 05/12/2018 04:38 PM
Why is everyone still talking about GTX 1065 or GTX 1060ti, this product does not need to be named differently because the performance is exactly the same as a normal GTX 1060 - Hilbert said so in this article. I won't bother typing out the quote again, but if you look at my last post in this thread it's there. This product has the same number of shaders (& other tech specs same too) as the GTX 1060 - it's no different. The only difference is that it's using the silicon of the GTX 1070, but then NVidia are disabling a load of shaders to bring the specs to the exact same place as the current GTX 1060 - it really is not a different product, and therefore needs no new name - it's just a GTX 1060 folks, nothing more, nothing less.
Why is everyone still talking about GTX 1065 or GTX 1060ti, this product does not need to be named differently because the performance is exactly the same as a normal GTX 1060 - Hilbert said so in this article. I won't bother typing out the quote again, but if you look at my last post in this thread it's there. This product has the same number of shaders (& other tech specs same too) as the GTX 1060 - it's no different. The only difference is that it's using the silicon of the GTX 1070, but then NVidia are disabling a load of shaders to bring the specs to the exact same place as the current GTX 1060 - it really is not a different product, and therefore needs no new name - it's just a GTX 1060 folks, nothing more, nothing less.
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#5546107 Posted on: 05/12/2018 04:43 PM
I totally missed that but if that's the case, I honestly don't know why people get so upset. Will read the OP carefully now just to make sure that is the case.
Just read the OP. So yeah, it's going to be exactly the same as the 1060, only using the 1070 silicon. Educated guess, the ones that didn't pass the QC to be a full blown 1070 so they'll release them as a 1060. Makes 100% sense. Even though many would rather see Nvidia throw these in the bin, going by this thread.
Why is everyone still talking about GTX 1065 or GTX 1060ti, this product does not need to be named differently because the performance is exactly the same as a normal GTX 1060 - Hilbert said so in this article. I won't bother typing out the quote again, but if you look at my last post in this thread it's there. This product has the same number of shaders (& other tech specs same too) as the GTX 1060 - it's no different. The only difference is that it's using the silicon of the GTX 1070, but then NVidia are disabling a load of shaders to bring the specs to the exact same place as the current GTX 1060 - it really is not a different product, and therefore needs no new name - it's just a GTX 1060 folks, nothing more, nothing less.
I totally missed that but if that's the case, I honestly don't know why people get so upset. Will read the OP carefully now just to make sure that is the case.
Just read the OP. So yeah, it's going to be exactly the same as the 1060, only using the 1070 silicon. Educated guess, the ones that didn't pass the QC to be a full blown 1070 so they'll release them as a 1060. Makes 100% sense. Even though many would rather see Nvidia throw these in the bin, going by this thread.
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#5546112 Posted on: 05/12/2018 05:02 PM
Maybe Nvidia is clearing out one of their production lines at TSMC to get ready for the next line of GPU's or yields are so good (or bad if theyre cutting it down so much) that it just makes sense to use one die like AMD is in the CPU market.
Maybe Nvidia is clearing out one of their production lines at TSMC to get ready for the next line of GPU's or yields are so good (or bad if theyre cutting it down so much) that it just makes sense to use one die like AMD is in the CPU market.
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#5546113 Posted on: 05/12/2018 05:04 PM
The new 1060 will be aimed at people like yourself. If it's just short of 1070 performance and costs less, it will be a viable option for you. I don't know what you're complaining about. Are you annoyed with Nvidia offering you a choice? Why? If you're not happy, go buy AMD, why is this even an issue?
Most probably Nvidia have some dies that wouldn't pass for a 1070 so they make a new card. Or would you rather they throw those chips in the bin? What is wrong with people nowadays?
It's aimed at people like myself? o_O I own a 1080ti like it says in my profile (and under my username). Of what use would I have for this?
Lack of ability of a new product? Why would Nvidia release a "new product" when AMD can't compete as it is? Why do you personally need a new Nvidia card? It's not like their line up isn't strong enough for you to chose from and get a considerable upgrade as it is.
Maybe because the 1080ti can't maintain 60fps at my displays native resolution (3840x2160).
What is wrong with people nowadays?
I'm thinking the same. You might want to pay a little more attention before posting next time.
The new 1060 will be aimed at people like yourself. If it's just short of 1070 performance and costs less, it will be a viable option for you. I don't know what you're complaining about. Are you annoyed with Nvidia offering you a choice? Why? If you're not happy, go buy AMD, why is this even an issue?
Most probably Nvidia have some dies that wouldn't pass for a 1070 so they make a new card. Or would you rather they throw those chips in the bin? What is wrong with people nowadays?
It's aimed at people like myself? o_O I own a 1080ti like it says in my profile (and under my username). Of what use would I have for this?
Lack of ability of a new product? Why would Nvidia release a "new product" when AMD can't compete as it is? Why do you personally need a new Nvidia card? It's not like their line up isn't strong enough for you to chose from and get a considerable upgrade as it is.
Maybe because the 1080ti can't maintain 60fps at my displays native resolution (3840x2160).
What is wrong with people nowadays?
I'm thinking the same. You might want to pay a little more attention before posting next time.
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#5546130 Posted on: 05/12/2018 06:29 PM
Hope you said this when AMD did the same with the 7xxx--2xx-3xx line and didn't tell they were just rebranding GPUs. .)
Milking is a smart thing to do when nothing there that out-performs your product. Pascal reminds me of the 8800 series. Remember how long that lasted? Nothing there to touch it and it was similarly milked.
Hope you said this when AMD did the same with the 7xxx--2xx-3xx line and didn't tell they were just rebranding GPUs. .)
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#5546132 Posted on: 05/12/2018 06:39 PM
Yeah wonder why they just aren't making this?
so a 1060TI?
Yeah wonder why they just aren't making this?
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#5546133 Posted on: 05/12/2018 06:52 PM
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Maybe because the 1080ti can't maintain 60fps at my displays native resolution (3840x2160).
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This, with latest console already doing its thing at native 4k in more and more newer games it´s just unacceptable to not have $200 cards doing the "pc thing" (+50fps high settings) on at least the same resolution.
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Maybe because the 1080ti can't maintain 60fps at my displays native resolution (3840x2160).
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This, with latest console already doing its thing at native 4k in more and more newer games it´s just unacceptable to not have $200 cards doing the "pc thing" (+50fps high settings) on at least the same resolution.
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#5546136 Posted on: 05/12/2018 07:08 PM
Yes, the new consoles support 4k, but at nowhere near 60fps. There were serious trade-offs to be able to support 4k with such weak hardware.
Yes, the new consoles support 4k, but at nowhere near 60fps. There were serious trade-offs to be able to support 4k with such weak hardware.
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#5546137 Posted on: 05/12/2018 07:09 PM
Seems to be a simple case of having to many defective 1070 GPUs to offload. But even if the performance of the new cars is the same of the current 1060, i would like a different name to tell them apart, 1060LE would be my choice.
Seems to be a simple case of having to many defective 1070 GPUs to offload. But even if the performance of the new cars is the same of the current 1060, i would like a different name to tell them apart, 1060LE would be my choice.
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#5546165 Posted on: 05/12/2018 08:52 PM
You can play this some games in 4K on the computer with the same, much lower settings. But instead it seems you are comparing the consoles lower settings, lower FPS to PC much higher settings, and much higher FPS 4K.
This, with latest console already doing its thing at native 4k in more and more newer games it´s just unacceptable to not have $200 cards doing the "pc thing" (+50fps high settings) on at least the same resolution.
You can play this some games in 4K on the computer with the same, much lower settings. But instead it seems you are comparing the consoles lower settings, lower FPS to PC much higher settings, and much higher FPS 4K.
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#5546170 Posted on: 05/12/2018 09:13 PM
Watch this unfold:
Those cut down 1070 will unlock "accidentally"...
...And sales of 1060 will go up as people will hope in this lottery. But very few will actually be based on 1070 silicon
Why is everyone still talking about GTX 1065 or GTX 1060ti, this product does not need to be named differently because the performance is exactly the same as a normal GTX 1060 - Hilbert said so in this article. I won't bother typing out the quote again, but if you look at my last post in this thread it's there. This product has the same number of shaders (& other tech specs same too) as the GTX 1060 - it's no different. The only difference is that it's using the silicon of the GTX 1070, but then NVidia are disabling a load of shaders to bring the specs to the exact same place as the current GTX 1060 - it really is not a different product, and therefore needs no new name - it's just a GTX 1060 folks, nothing more, nothing less.
Watch this unfold:
Those cut down 1070 will unlock "accidentally"...
...And sales of 1060 will go up as people will hope in this lottery. But very few will actually be based on 1070 silicon
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I get this but it still doesn't make any sense. By now pretty much everyone who is going to buy a GPU of this generation, has probably already bought it. Sales can't be as good as they were before. Not providing proper sli support to at least the 1080 and up also seems silly if you really want to milk these cards. At least then eager 1080ti owners might put another in their system to get their 4k ultra 60fps. Eventually they are going to have to release the next generation or provide better sli support because I am not paying them anything until then and most likely neither is any other high end video card owner.
It does makes sense from a business perspective. Their products are still flying off the shelves (whenever available). If you are selling all you can produce at a target MSRP, then keep at it. Have you seen Nvidias store page? In the last 6 months, no GPU in stock lasted more than a few minutes. Only a couple days ago stocks lasted more than a day. They are selling as much as they can make. Hopefully that is changing soon as they are seeing the crypto craze begun to subside. Only now we have the likelihood of new gen cards expected out over next few months. I would think same with AMD, they are selling everything they make too. Sadly in their case, they wont have any new stuff out any time soon.