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Nvidia might give 7nm GPU teaser on GTC
NVIDIA is filling the market in full effect with their Turing GPUS, however as always the next GPU in line already has been in development for a long time. As it seems over at the GTC (Graphics Technology Conference), which starts today, NVIDIA might share a few details about the next-gen GPU.
Turing is fabbed on 12nm, AMD has already released their first 7 nanometer GPU with the Radeon VII, both fabbed at TSMC. The gossip and chatter on the web right now are that NVIDIA will share some details on an Ampere-based Tesla or Quadro card.
It would be really early to talk about the new architecture, however as stated, AMD is going fast (they have Navi coming up as well) and if we advance one year, there's Intel with Xe. GTC starts today (March 17) and and we'll report about the developments one the news comes in.
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#5651206 Posted on: 03/18/2019 04:26 PM
I'd suggest that Vega II should be looked, primarily, at as a demo of a 7nm die shrink process - which matches Nvidia's 2nd most powerful card - and as a pointer of what additional gains might (hopefully) be achieved if more of the architecture was also at 7nm i.e. Navi. I agree that Vega II's pricing is steep though a significant portion of that is due to there being 16GB HBM2 and uses additional to gaming were also highlighted by AMD.
I'd think we're all wishing for a return to the 650-700 range for a high end card, and, that CryEngine's recent RT demo can show we can get acceptable results in real time without the need for an additional proprietary hardware accelerant e.g. Nvidia RTX.
I'd suggest that Vega II should be looked, primarily, at as a demo of a 7nm die shrink process - which matches Nvidia's 2nd most powerful card - and as a pointer of what additional gains might (hopefully) be achieved if more of the architecture was also at 7nm i.e. Navi. I agree that Vega II's pricing is steep though a significant portion of that is due to there being 16GB HBM2 and uses additional to gaming were also highlighted by AMD.
I'd think we're all wishing for a return to the 650-700 range for a high end card, and, that CryEngine's recent RT demo can show we can get acceptable results in real time without the need for an additional proprietary hardware accelerant e.g. Nvidia RTX.
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#5651211 Posted on: 03/18/2019 04:37 PM
CryEngine's RT demo is interesting but it's still a faux implementation. SVOGI has shown promising results in the past, yet integration into actual games has been non-existent due to various issues that multiple studios/companies have tried to overcome but have not done so.
I also don't like the idea of branding DXR/RTX as "proprietary". "RTX" as in RT cores/Tensor are just a method of accelerating DXR. If Nvidia branded it's tessellation hardware as "trianglegenerator9000" no one would say tessellation was proprietary.
I agree with your point about HBM though. I think AMD overall has more flexibility for pricing but I think Nvidia also has some leg room with the 7nm shrink.
I'd think we're all wishing for a return to the 650-700 range for a high end card, and, that CryEngine's recent RT demo can show we can get acceptable results in real time without the need for an additional proprietary hardware accelerant e.g. Nvidia RTX.
CryEngine's RT demo is interesting but it's still a faux implementation. SVOGI has shown promising results in the past, yet integration into actual games has been non-existent due to various issues that multiple studios/companies have tried to overcome but have not done so.
I also don't like the idea of branding DXR/RTX as "proprietary". "RTX" as in RT cores/Tensor are just a method of accelerating DXR. If Nvidia branded it's tessellation hardware as "trianglegenerator9000" no one would say tessellation was proprietary.
I agree with your point about HBM though. I think AMD overall has more flexibility for pricing but I think Nvidia also has some leg room with the 7nm shrink.
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#5651218 Posted on: 03/18/2019 04:58 PM
imagine if the 3080 etc have no rtx what so ever ...
imagine if the 3080 etc have no rtx what so ever ...
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#5651260 Posted on: 03/18/2019 07:14 PM
Unfortunately for Nvidia they've pretty much already set their pricing : performance with the RTX. To release another series offering greater performance but at significantly lower selling point would not sit well with a significant many, and ask some awkward questions.
AMD, on the other hand, have a very real opportunity. The ball is most certainly in their court providing they can deliver on price : performance. The buying mass is generally a sensible beast and tends to buy wisely once they're informed.
Here's hoping for both Navi (in all it's forms...high end too) and Matisse.
I don’t see how thats a problem. New card series, new performance and new pricing. They didn’t have a problem releasing a 1070gtx that beat a 980ti for 300$+, they won’t have a problem releasing a 3070rtx that performs like a 2080ti for 500$ or even less.
These cards are 2020 cards anyway.
Unfortunately for Nvidia they've pretty much already set their pricing : performance with the RTX. To release another series offering greater performance but at significantly lower selling point would not sit well with a significant many, and ask some awkward questions.
AMD, on the other hand, have a very real opportunity. The ball is most certainly in their court providing they can deliver on price : performance. The buying mass is generally a sensible beast and tends to buy wisely once they're informed.
Here's hoping for both Navi (in all it's forms...high end too) and Matisse.
I don’t see how thats a problem. New card series, new performance and new pricing. They didn’t have a problem releasing a 1070gtx that beat a 980ti for 300$+, they won’t have a problem releasing a 3070rtx that performs like a 2080ti for 500$ or even less.
These cards are 2020 cards anyway.
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Unfortunately for Nvidia they've pretty much already set their pricing : performance with the RTX. To release another series offering greater performance but at significantly lower selling point would not sit well with a significant many, and ask some awkward questions.
AMD, on the other hand, have a very real opportunity. The ball is most certainly in their court providing they can deliver on price : performance. The buying mass is generally a sensible beast and tends to buy wisely once they're informed.
Here's hoping for both Navi (in all it's forms...high end too) and Matisse.
How is it any different with AMD? Vega VII is priced similar perf/$ as 2080 except you aren't getting all the value-add features. If they were to come out with something significantly cheaper perf/$ why wouldn't it raise the same questions? In fact I'd argue Nvidia has a better shot because they can do a die shrink and just say "7nm allowed us to drop the price" where as AMD already pulled that trigger.
Personally if either one dropped their price I'd just be like "cool" and probably still not buy it. The 2080Ti would have to be $650-700 to justify it's performance imo and Vega VII is a sidegrade for me. Would be nice for people on older cards though.