NVIDIA GeForce Ampere 3DMark Time Spy Benchmarks show it to be 30 percent faster than RTX 2080 Ti

#5803145 Posted on: 06/25/2020 11:51 AM

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"B's driver devs try to follow the spec more closely than Vendor A, but in the end this tends to do them no good because most devs just use Vendor A's driver for development and when things don't work on Vendor B they blame the vendor, not the state of GL itself."

Thanks for quoting someone you consider authority.

It's beautiful how you completely ignore the rest though. They couldn't even do texture fetching properly.

This vendor can't get key stuff like queries or syncs to work reliably. So any extension that relies on syncs for CPU/GPU synchronization aren't workable. The driver devs remaining at this vendor pine to work at Vendor A.
Vendor B can't update its driver without breaking something. They will send you updates or hotfixes that fix one thing but break two other things. If you single step into one of this driver's entrypoints you'll notice layers upon layers of cruft tacked on over the years by devs who are no longer at the company. Nobody remaining at vendor B understands these barnacle-like software layers enough to safely change them.

I've occasionally seen bizarre things happen on Vendor B's driver when replaying GL call streams of shipped titles into this driver using voglreplay. The game itself will work fine, but when the GL callstream is replayed we'll see massive framebuffer corruption (that goes away if we flush the GL pipeline after every draw). My guess: this driver is probably using app profiles to just turn off entire features that are just too buggy.
Also no response about how their Linux OpenGL driver is actually good, while the Windows driver is crap. Meanwhile it's all an "Evil Nvidia Plot to corrupt our fingers while we code the OpenGL driver in Windows" :p

Why do you feel the need to excuse them, when they're so obviously at fault? You pay them and they do a shitty job.

As for someone "I consider an authority", just lel
"Co-owner of Binomial LLC, game and open source developer, graphics programmer, lossless data and GPU texture compression specialist. Worked previously at SpaceX, Forgotten Empires, DICE, Microsoft Ensemble Studios, Valve, and Boss Fight Entertainment."

What would he know right? It's like Tim Sweeney all over again. "What do all these Unreal Engine guys know about graphics architectures".
Jesus Christ.

#5803149 Posted on: 06/25/2020 12:06 PM

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It's beautiful how you completely ignore the rest though. They couldn't even do texture fetching properly.


Also no response about how their Linux OpenGL driver is actually good, while the Windows driver is crap. Meanwhile it's all an "Evil Nvidia Plot to corrupt our fingers while we code the OpenGL driver in Windows" :p

Why do you feel the need to excuse them, when they're so obviously at fault? You pay them and they do a shitty job.

As for someone "I consider an authority", just lel
"Co-owner of Binomial LLC, game and open source developer, graphics programmer, lossless data and GPU texture compression specialist. Worked previously at SpaceX, Forgotten Empires, DICE, Microsoft Ensemble Studios, Valve, and Boss Fight Entertainment."

What would he know right? It's like Tim Sweeney all over again. "What do all these Unreal Engine guys know about graphics architectures".
Jesus Christ.
Issue here is that you are biased and look for supporting evidence to do so. While very people who you use, say something else.
And that's 2014 on top of it. That's beginning of GCN and time nobody sane even touched OGL outside of Linux.

If you noticed current DX, only imbecile would consider OGL over that or Vulkan.
Thanks for quoting someone you consider authority.
I wrote this because you can't go and ignore 1/2 of something you intended to weaponize. So I can have very same person to tell you that you are biased.

OGL was always like DX10.

#5803160 Posted on: 06/25/2020 12:38 PM

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And this one needs very separate addressing. Because this tells that there is something very wrong with your views.

AMD paid tons of money (they actually overpaid as that was only way) for ATi, and that is reason why nVidia does not have GPU monopoly.
That was big financial blow for your sake as result!

And for your information, AMD has intel on left side and nVidia on right side.
That's: revenue of $75B against AMD's CPU division. And revenue of $11B against GPU division where AMD's revenue is $7B.
Go, and tell me how bad job they do in comparison on how they are "paid".

And then go to intel and ask them about thier GPU division which is surely at least twice as big as entire AMD's CPU+GPU division and paid better.
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If AMD was not in GPU business, you would be just fine. You would sit on GTX 680, maybe 4GB version by now.
But rest of us would feel damage from business strategy similar to intel's. We would be maybe at GTX 680 + 50% performance on top of it.
Instead we have 4 times stronger GPUs and more available... thanks to fact that AMD "IS" competitive enough where it matters to move industry this way in 6 years.
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If AMD did what you want them to do, so you would praise them, we would be nowhere. OGL would still sux for industry (and be irrelevant for gamers) no matter how well it would run on AMD's HW. On top of that AMD's WH would sux in return on DX where it actually matters for AMD's business.
You would phase out AMD out of GPU business.

Following the 5% was what got AMD to problems. It took change of leadership and way of thinking, to get them back on track. AMD is doing what matters, because they do not have finance to pursue 5%. And they never did, because when they had superior products, they were prevented from cashing on that by industry.

#5803166 Posted on: 06/25/2020 12:58 PM

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Not necessarily sure I'd agree with that - I'm currently playing MGSV at 5120x2880DSR on my 1440p native monitor and the image quality increase is enormous. It's incredibly impressive.
Something I'd happily prioritise over many other features. I think it depends entirely on the specific game you are playing. I've not seen 8k in real life, and I don't know where the real point of significantly diminishing returns (for people with perfect eyesight) is but I think we're a way off.

I completely agree re: rasterisation performance though, non RT benchmarks are redundant going forward - I think within 5 years you'll see almost all games use some degree of RT and at least a small minority of games use it heavily (way beyond what we've seen thus far).

#5803182 Posted on: 06/25/2020 01:50 PM

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Imo it is a gimmick in line with physx - even in control which everyone says is the posterchild for rtx, it only looks marginally better than screenspace reflections, and at an absurd performance hit. Dlss is just thrash, pure and simple... no one buys a 4k screen to play at sub 4k image quality. Native res or downsampling, anything else is fail.