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NVIDIA G-Sync review
We review Nvidia GSYNC. G-Sync eliminates the problems that come with VSYNC both on and off. Meaning no more Sync stuttering and that dreaded demon of them all, Screen tearing. G-Sync basically is a technology made compatible with a G-Sync module and software. And that symbiosis honestly is a touch of magic.
You can read the article right here.
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#4724148 Posted on: 12/14/2013 11:37 AM
Some people know they arnt as good as IPS panels, but dont care cause IPS panal are even worse at handling fast motion then TN. Im one of those, What good is that great PQ if the moment fast things are on screen it ruined by that motion bluring/lose detail ALL LCD/LED suffer from TN just suffers the lest amount.
Soon as they make panel that is as good or better then CRT (where are you OLED) with requards to fast Motion. without resorting to the fake motion stuff HDTV use, or trying to trick you with lightboost(whichless it but is still there compared to CRT. I will beon board with those good panals, cause none of those trick they come up with is as good a good CRT in the reguard. atlest not from what i seen an tried.
I will take less motion blur/ lose detail on movement over beter PQ/colors when stationary much like I would take Vsync and less fps over more fps and terrible tearing. Which why i see gsync as best tech to come out in decade. and most people that swear by vsync would probably think the same
Then there are the people that dont notice any of these issue and dont see it or are bother by, And there just as many if not more people that bother by this
I agree, that I couldn't be without 120hz or more now. This is why I have a Korean overclockable IPS monitor currently. There is no way I'd use an IPS or better panel at 60hz.
What I was trying to say though, is that IPS @ 120hz is possible, and not overclocked to 120hz+, but factory set at this hz. So its just a matter of companies realizing that there is a huge market for panels with high resolution, high quality and smoother motion, no one wants their junk anymore. I am sure anyone who has used a 1440p 120hz IPS would agree with me 100%.
Some people know they arnt as good as IPS panels, but dont care cause IPS panal are even worse at handling fast motion then TN. Im one of those, What good is that great PQ if the moment fast things are on screen it ruined by that motion bluring/lose detail ALL LCD/LED suffer from TN just suffers the lest amount.
Soon as they make panel that is as good or better then CRT (where are you OLED) with requards to fast Motion. without resorting to the fake motion stuff HDTV use, or trying to trick you with lightboost(whichless it but is still there compared to CRT. I will beon board with those good panals, cause none of those trick they come up with is as good a good CRT in the reguard. atlest not from what i seen an tried.
I will take less motion blur/ lose detail on movement over beter PQ/colors when stationary much like I would take Vsync and less fps over more fps and terrible tearing. Which why i see gsync as best tech to come out in decade. and most people that swear by vsync would probably think the same
Then there are the people that dont notice any of these issue and dont see it or are bother by, And there just as many if not more people that bother by this
I agree, that I couldn't be without 120hz or more now. This is why I have a Korean overclockable IPS monitor currently. There is no way I'd use an IPS or better panel at 60hz.
What I was trying to say though, is that IPS @ 120hz is possible, and not overclocked to 120hz+, but factory set at this hz. So its just a matter of companies realizing that there is a huge market for panels with high resolution, high quality and smoother motion, no one wants their junk anymore. I am sure anyone who has used a 1440p 120hz IPS would agree with me 100%.
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#4724161 Posted on: 12/14/2013 12:44 PM
Of course they will say that we will hear from them,what did u expect them to say?That they don`t have a product to compete with G-Sync?
That will be a very big hit form them.
Until a see a technology that works like advertised from AMD/nVidia I really don`t trust them.
"Free" for me would be understood as an open implementation. Definitely not free lol
They did say that we will hear more from them about G-Sync soon. Let's see what they might be up to.
Since I am sharing the same doubt as yours. Until they announce something, there is nothing. But I wouldn't expect them to sit there idle doing nothing against such an important technology that could eventually become mainstream.
Some people know they arnt as good as IPS panels, but dont care cause IPS panal are even worse at handling fast motion then TN. Im one of those, What good is that great PQ if the moment fast things are on screen it ruined by that motion bluring/lose detail ALL LCD/LED suffer from TN just suffers the lest amount.
The fastest IPS isn't that much slower than the fastest TN. Even "2ms" TN panels have trouble going down to even 3ms. Monitor specs don't mean anything.
Soon as they make panel that is as good or better then CRT (where are you OLED) with requards to fast Motion. without resorting to the fake motion stuff HDTV use, or trying to trick you with lightboost(whichless it but is still there compared to CRT. I will beon board with those good panals, cause none of those trick they come up with is as good a good CRT in the reguard. atlest not from what i seen an tried.
Good luck waiting for OLED. OLED still has motion blur even if response time ~ 0ms. All sample-and-hold displays suffer from this. CRT doesn't because it keeps refreshing its image, with the phosphors decaying after 1ms. @60Hz, the brightness you see from CRT, these phosphors are glowing approximately 16 times brighter for 1/16 of a frame (16.67ms).
You'll have to strobe all OLED pixels for 1ms at 16 times the brightness that they would maintain while not strobing. OLED already has trouble being bright enough, good luck with 16 times brighter lol.
With LCD it's much easier, you strobe the backlight. This is the LightBoost "trick" (seriously?). LightBoost goes down to 1.4ms strobes. I'm also sure that you haven't tried LightBoost since you have called it a "trick" unless you are Superman at which point I'm surprised you run at 60Hz VSync. Either flicker would kill you at 60Hz with a CRT or you're currently getting ~11.9 times more motion blur on your LCD display than a LightBoost LCD display @ 120Hz.
It should be possible to bring strobe lengths down even more by using brighter backlights, scanning backlights, and perhaps by having even faster panels so they can transition faster.
I will take less motion blur/ lose detail on movement over beter PQ/colors when stationary much like I would take Vsync and less fps over more fps and terrible tearing. Which why i see gsync as best tech to come out in decade. and most people that swear by vsync would probably think the same
You will not be getting both motion blur reduction and variable FPS without tearing very soon. Strobing the backlight for a variable refresh rate is pretty complex; Nvidia have skipped it for this 1st implementation of G-Sync. You have this or that.
I agree, that I couldn't be without 120hz or more now. This is why I have a Korean overclockable IPS monitor currently. There is no way I'd use an IPS or better panel at 60hz.
What I was trying to say though, is that IPS @ 120hz is possible, and not overclocked to 120hz+, but factory set at this hz. So its just a matter of companies realizing that there is a huge market for panels with high resolution, high quality and smoother motion, no one wants their junk anymore. I am sure anyone who has used a 1440p 120hz IPS would agree with me 100%.
We cannot be certain that a commercial IPS @ 120Hz is possible. The current overclockable monitors have no specific overdrive algorithm for 120Hz and use the 60Hz one. Having overdrive for 120Hz might shorten the lifespan of IPS panels according to a few sources. I've heard from some that LG stopped making those overclockable PCBs when they found out that IPS panel lifespan is significantly shortened @ 120Hz, a story which I very much doubt (they found out after they had thousands of prototypes produced?) but there might be a grain of truth in this too.
What I'm saying, in order to have commercial 120Hz IPS, you need to bring down response times a little more and currently doing so needs overdrive, which might be harmful to the panel.
On the other hand, people have been running their overclocked Catleaps for more than a year @120Hz 24/7 and there are no reported issues. I am currently running my Qnix @ 110Hz as I am typing this. The Qnix is not perfect with overclocks as it uses an inferior PCB to the Catleap / Overlord.
All we need is a single 120Hz IPS monitor and then we would be sure this is possible commercially.
Of course they will say that we will hear from them,what did u expect them to say?That they don`t have a product to compete with G-Sync?
That will be a very big hit form them.
Until a see a technology that works like advertised from AMD/nVidia I really don`t trust them.
"Free" for me would be understood as an open implementation. Definitely not free lol
They did say that we will hear more from them about G-Sync soon. Let's see what they might be up to.
Since I am sharing the same doubt as yours. Until they announce something, there is nothing. But I wouldn't expect them to sit there idle doing nothing against such an important technology that could eventually become mainstream.
Some people know they arnt as good as IPS panels, but dont care cause IPS panal are even worse at handling fast motion then TN. Im one of those, What good is that great PQ if the moment fast things are on screen it ruined by that motion bluring/lose detail ALL LCD/LED suffer from TN just suffers the lest amount.
The fastest IPS isn't that much slower than the fastest TN. Even "2ms" TN panels have trouble going down to even 3ms. Monitor specs don't mean anything.
Soon as they make panel that is as good or better then CRT (where are you OLED) with requards to fast Motion. without resorting to the fake motion stuff HDTV use, or trying to trick you with lightboost(whichless it but is still there compared to CRT. I will beon board with those good panals, cause none of those trick they come up with is as good a good CRT in the reguard. atlest not from what i seen an tried.
Good luck waiting for OLED. OLED still has motion blur even if response time ~ 0ms. All sample-and-hold displays suffer from this. CRT doesn't because it keeps refreshing its image, with the phosphors decaying after 1ms. @60Hz, the brightness you see from CRT, these phosphors are glowing approximately 16 times brighter for 1/16 of a frame (16.67ms).
You'll have to strobe all OLED pixels for 1ms at 16 times the brightness that they would maintain while not strobing. OLED already has trouble being bright enough, good luck with 16 times brighter lol.
With LCD it's much easier, you strobe the backlight. This is the LightBoost "trick" (seriously?). LightBoost goes down to 1.4ms strobes. I'm also sure that you haven't tried LightBoost since you have called it a "trick" unless you are Superman at which point I'm surprised you run at 60Hz VSync. Either flicker would kill you at 60Hz with a CRT or you're currently getting ~11.9 times more motion blur on your LCD display than a LightBoost LCD display @ 120Hz.
It should be possible to bring strobe lengths down even more by using brighter backlights, scanning backlights, and perhaps by having even faster panels so they can transition faster.
I will take less motion blur/ lose detail on movement over beter PQ/colors when stationary much like I would take Vsync and less fps over more fps and terrible tearing. Which why i see gsync as best tech to come out in decade. and most people that swear by vsync would probably think the same
You will not be getting both motion blur reduction and variable FPS without tearing very soon. Strobing the backlight for a variable refresh rate is pretty complex; Nvidia have skipped it for this 1st implementation of G-Sync. You have this or that.
I agree, that I couldn't be without 120hz or more now. This is why I have a Korean overclockable IPS monitor currently. There is no way I'd use an IPS or better panel at 60hz.
What I was trying to say though, is that IPS @ 120hz is possible, and not overclocked to 120hz+, but factory set at this hz. So its just a matter of companies realizing that there is a huge market for panels with high resolution, high quality and smoother motion, no one wants their junk anymore. I am sure anyone who has used a 1440p 120hz IPS would agree with me 100%.
We cannot be certain that a commercial IPS @ 120Hz is possible. The current overclockable monitors have no specific overdrive algorithm for 120Hz and use the 60Hz one. Having overdrive for 120Hz might shorten the lifespan of IPS panels according to a few sources. I've heard from some that LG stopped making those overclockable PCBs when they found out that IPS panel lifespan is significantly shortened @ 120Hz, a story which I very much doubt (they found out after they had thousands of prototypes produced?) but there might be a grain of truth in this too.
What I'm saying, in order to have commercial 120Hz IPS, you need to bring down response times a little more and currently doing so needs overdrive, which might be harmful to the panel.
On the other hand, people have been running their overclocked Catleaps for more than a year @120Hz 24/7 and there are no reported issues. I am currently running my Qnix @ 110Hz as I am typing this. The Qnix is not perfect with overclocks as it uses an inferior PCB to the Catleap / Overlord.
All we need is a single 120Hz IPS monitor and then we would be sure this is possible commercially.
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#4724201 Posted on: 12/14/2013 02:11 PM
Agreed, been nothing new on it for months, and what happened to the big show of its performance the other month they were going to do, i must have missed that, so can someone link me ?
They should stfu and release mantle.
Agreed, been nothing new on it for months, and what happened to the big show of its performance the other month they were going to do, i must have missed that, so can someone link me ?
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#4724597 Posted on: 12/15/2013 05:20 AM
Clarification everyone:
Overclock.net thread reporting it would cost $600 USD
http://www.overclock.net/t/1450837/so-gsync-does-not-work-with-windowed-mode-games-600-dollar-monitors-plus-upgrade-question
This is incorrect for USA customers --
I want to clarify that the ~$600 USD is the European price (higher import, VAT, etc). People buying the monitor in USA from a USA store, would not be paying this price. I just asked NVIDIA directly (as they sent me a GSYNC monitor too for preview), and they confirmed that the M.S.R.P. is still $399 in North America.
Clarification everyone:
Overclock.net thread reporting it would cost $600 USD
http://www.overclock.net/t/1450837/so-gsync-does-not-work-with-windowed-mode-games-600-dollar-monitors-plus-upgrade-question
This is incorrect for USA customers --
I want to clarify that the ~$600 USD is the European price (higher import, VAT, etc). People buying the monitor in USA from a USA store, would not be paying this price. I just asked NVIDIA directly (as they sent me a GSYNC monitor too for preview), and they confirmed that the M.S.R.P. is still $399 in North America.
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AMD responding to G-Sync.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ama-toms-hardware,3672-7.html
Q. How's Mantle going to be compatible with Fermi/Kepler/Maxwell etc. or Intel's HD graphics? Will you be forced to maintain backwards compatibility with GCN in future?
A. Mantle depends on the Graphics Core Next ISA. We hope that the design principles of Mantle will achieve broader adoption, and we intend to release an SDK in 2014. In the meantime, interest developers can contact us to begin a relationship of collaboration, working on the API together in its formative stages. As for “backwards compatibility,” I think it’s a given that any graphics API is architected for forward-looking extensibility while being able to support devices of the past. Necessary by design?
They sure like to go back and forth on how open it is.
Anyway, I'd like to see what other monitor manufactures bring out. G-sync on a higher resolution IPS monitor would be nice