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Nvidia CEO: "Radeon VII is lousy and nothing new"
Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang made some unusual harsh remarks on yesterday's announced Radeon VII from AMD. In an interview at PC World he mentions this: “The performance is lousy and there’s nothing new,” Huang said.
He finds the product underwhelming and then went on and says: “[There’s] no ray tracing, no AI. It’s 7nm with HBM memory that barely keeps up with a 2080. And if we turn on DLSS we’ll crush it. And if we turn on ray tracing we’ll crush it.”
He then added some more, “It’s a weird launch, maybe they thought of it this morning,” Huang then stated. Huang spoke before a small group of reporters and addressed a wide range of topics. It is very unusual harsh language from the CEO to talk down a product that is not yet on the market. The new Radeon XII will not be available until February 7, no objective independent reviews have been published yet.
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#5625929 Posted on: 01/10/2019 04:52 PM
I would agree with him in some way if it were last gen, but at this point I don't even buy Nvidia cards new so... it's true I can't not buy them as Gameworks is prominent in too many of my favorite games but I do hope AMD gets better going forward they are in the consoles.
I would agree with him in some way if it were last gen, but at this point I don't even buy Nvidia cards new so... it's true I can't not buy them as Gameworks is prominent in too many of my favorite games but I do hope AMD gets better going forward they are in the consoles.
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#5625932 Posted on: 01/10/2019 04:56 PM
Nothing new?
PCI-E 4.0 ...
7nm core ...
Come to think of it, all he has that’s “new” is RTX Crap that most of us don’t really want/need right now.
Oh, and cheaper than your 2080. Just saying
Edit, forgot that they started using ddr6 memory. So it’s tied 2 to 2. LoL
Again, there is way more in Turing then RTX...
Separated INT32/FP paths, refined scheduling hardware, FP16x2, Mesh Shaders (arguably more important to gaming than both RT/AI), Variable Rate Shading, Texture-Space Shading, Multi-view Rendering and Virtual Link.
Like I 100% agree the RTX cards are widely overpriced but the idea that Turing as an architecture doesn't do much is just not accurate.
Nothing new?
PCI-E 4.0 ...
7nm core ...
Come to think of it, all he has that’s “new” is RTX Crap that most of us don’t really want/need right now.
Oh, and cheaper than your 2080. Just saying
Edit, forgot that they started using ddr6 memory. So it’s tied 2 to 2. LoL
Again, there is way more in Turing then RTX...
Separated INT32/FP paths, refined scheduling hardware, FP16x2, Mesh Shaders (arguably more important to gaming than both RT/AI), Variable Rate Shading, Texture-Space Shading, Multi-view Rendering and Virtual Link.
Like I 100% agree the RTX cards are widely overpriced but the idea that Turing as an architecture doesn't do much is just not accurate.
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#5625933 Posted on: 01/10/2019 04:57 PM
Anyone who ever did some compute workload. (read productivity)
Who does not compare it? Anyone who's world ends at gaming. (Small minded, limited consumers.)
And just in case you missed it. I wrote same things about RTX cards. it is great that they are finally delivering great computational performance in consumer segment.
(Guess what actually enables RTX cards to do raytracing.)
This is primarly a gaming graphics card, hence the reason of my comment.
Anyone who ever did some compute workload. (read productivity)
Who does not compare it? Anyone who's world ends at gaming. (Small minded, limited consumers.)
And just in case you missed it. I wrote same things about RTX cards. it is great that they are finally delivering great computational performance in consumer segment.
(Guess what actually enables RTX cards to do raytracing.)
This is primarly a gaming graphics card, hence the reason of my comment.
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#5625934 Posted on: 01/10/2019 04:58 PM
purged all nvidia cards from my systems, couldn't be happier. drivers better, hardware cleaner and more intelligently designed, (try to replace a fan on the RTX cards lmao) no BS RTX/Gameworks forced down our throats. Can't wait for Vega VII
purged all nvidia cards from my systems, couldn't be happier. drivers better, hardware cleaner and more intelligently designed, (try to replace a fan on the RTX cards lmao) no BS RTX/Gameworks forced down our throats. Can't wait for Vega VII
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#5625939 Posted on: 01/10/2019 05:01 PM
Hey Gurus, lets all take a step back and look at the BIG picture...
CEO of Leading tech company triggered by nothing burger competitor with "performance that is lousy and there’s nothing new."
Think about that for a second... regardless of whatever is in the market, even though they are the leader, with the newest tech, that is barely used/usable, and costs way too much... Jensen worried? Nah...
Hey Gurus, lets all take a step back and look at the BIG picture...
CEO of Leading tech company triggered by nothing burger competitor with "performance that is lousy and there’s nothing new."
Think about that for a second... regardless of whatever is in the market, even though they are the leader, with the newest tech, that is barely used/usable, and costs way too much... Jensen worried? Nah...
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#5625940 Posted on: 01/10/2019 05:01 PM
Yet this Radeon 7 has the same MSRP as a 2080 for supposedly a similar performance. So by definition, its also lousy. And more power hungry to boot.
How he expressed it may be rather harsh and a tad inappropriate, but he is right. This AMD card is a huge disappointment. It has a huge process advantage being at 7nm, and yet the best it can muster is match a 2080, using more power - and for the same price, and 6 months later.
Its the same old power-hungry AMD GPU on steroids, and still only comes in second. Its not innovative, its not even good value. Its just desperate, thats what it is. Navi isn't ready anytime soon, so they needed something, even if something isn't really all that great.
I find the prices of Nvidia lousy...
Yet this Radeon 7 has the same MSRP as a 2080 for supposedly a similar performance. So by definition, its also lousy. And more power hungry to boot.
How he expressed it may be rather harsh and a tad inappropriate, but he is right. This AMD card is a huge disappointment. It has a huge process advantage being at 7nm, and yet the best it can muster is match a 2080, using more power - and for the same price, and 6 months later.
Its the same old power-hungry AMD GPU on steroids, and still only comes in second. Its not innovative, its not even good value. Its just desperate, thats what it is. Navi isn't ready anytime soon, so they needed something, even if something isn't really all that great.
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#5625943 Posted on: 01/10/2019 05:03 PM
I mean what? I am on a 2600K board with a 1080ti and I basically have zero issues with them. Hardware and drivers are not "cleaner". If I were to switch to AMD I would get worse peformance, no Gameworks in many great games, and a host of other downgrades.
While his comment seems perturbing, I don't know the dude and don't really care. Nvidia is overpriced for sure, but that is why I bought a perfectly fine 1080ti on ebay.
purged all nvidia cards from my systems, couldn't be happier. drivers better, hardware cleaner and more intelligently designed, (try to replace a fan on the RTX cards lmao) no BS RTX/Gameworks forced down our throats. Can't wait for Vega VII
I mean what? I am on a 2600K board with a 1080ti and I basically have zero issues with them. Hardware and drivers are not "cleaner". If I were to switch to AMD I would get worse peformance, no Gameworks in many great games, and a host of other downgrades.
While his comment seems perturbing, I don't know the dude and don't really care. Nvidia is overpriced for sure, but that is why I bought a perfectly fine 1080ti on ebay.
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#5625944 Posted on: 01/10/2019 05:04 PM
He's probably right, ATI is like the Pepsi to Nvidia's Coke, and it mostly always has been. Sorry, it's just a fact.
Anyhow, who wouldn't trust the word of a guy named after a car stereo? He's a real Pioneer in his field. Who wouldn't want to be like him? I know Kenwood. Face it, AMD got Blaupunkt. AMD just doesn't like being Polked. It's put them into a real Panasonic. Ok, I'll stop now : )
SONY!!!
He's probably right, ATI is like the Pepsi to Nvidia's Coke, and it mostly always has been. Sorry, it's just a fact.
Anyhow, who wouldn't trust the word of a guy named after a car stereo? He's a real Pioneer in his field. Who wouldn't want to be like him? I know Kenwood. Face it, AMD got Blaupunkt. AMD just doesn't like being Polked. It's put them into a real Panasonic. Ok, I'll stop now : )
SONY!!!
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#5625945 Posted on: 01/10/2019 05:04 PM
Is it? Do you think that if every gaming only oriented person ignores this card, it will not sell every single part made?
It will sell like hot cakes.
This is primarly a gaming graphics card, hence the reason of my comment.
Is it? Do you think that if every gaming only oriented person ignores this card, it will not sell every single part made?
It will sell like hot cakes.
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#5625946 Posted on: 01/10/2019 05:05 PM
That's even low by my standards, but yeah, I don't think anyone thought of Vega 2 as revolutionary. Navi on the other hand has the potential to become the new mainstream king of 1080p gaming.
That's even low by my standards, but yeah, I don't think anyone thought of Vega 2 as revolutionary. Navi on the other hand has the potential to become the new mainstream king of 1080p gaming.
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#5625947 Posted on: 01/10/2019 05:05 PM
MSRP for the 2080 is $799 with shops bringing the price down to $699. That being said, bandwidth and memory amount alone the RVII "should" fare better in 4k but we do not know yet until real benchmarks are out.
Yet this Radeon 7 has the same MSRP as a 2080 for supposedly a similar performance. So by definition, its also lousy. And more power hungry to boot.
MSRP for the 2080 is $799 with shops bringing the price down to $699. That being said, bandwidth and memory amount alone the RVII "should" fare better in 4k but we do not know yet until real benchmarks are out.
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#5625950 Posted on: 01/10/2019 05:10 PM
AMD released benchmarks for 25 games @ 4K and on average it's slightly slower than a 2080.
MSRP for the 2080 is $799 with shops bringing the price down to $699. That being said, bandwidth and memory amount alone the RVII "should" fare better in 4k but we do not know yet until real benchmarks are out.
AMD released benchmarks for 25 games @ 4K and on average it's slightly slower than a 2080.
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#5625951 Posted on: 01/10/2019 05:10 PM
that vega 7 isnt even any cheaper than the 2080 so i dont get why is he so pissed about it, its almost certainly worse in power-performance and has no extras like DLSS and RT, i guess providing a similar performer without RT is insulting enough for him, and/or he expects amd to drop prices
that vega 7 isnt even any cheaper than the 2080 so i dont get why is he so pissed about it, its almost certainly worse in power-performance and has no extras like DLSS and RT, i guess providing a similar performer without RT is insulting enough for him, and/or he expects amd to drop prices
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#5625952 Posted on: 01/10/2019 05:13 PM
Nothing new?
PCI-E 4.0 ...
7nm core ...
Come to think of it, all he has that’s “new” is RTX Crap that most of us don’t really want/need right now.
Oh, and cheaper than your 2080. Just saying
Radeon 7 will not have PCIe 4.0, as some people are reporting from CES. And 7nm by itself doesn't mean much, the resulting product is what counts. And a 300W monster GPU that only matches the 2080 isn't a stellar showing for a new process.
Also, the 2080 MSRP is $699 as well. Only the FE is $799. And there are definitely custom cards available below the FE level. Street prices are what ultimately will matter.
Nothing new?
PCI-E 4.0 ...
7nm core ...
Come to think of it, all he has that’s “new” is RTX Crap that most of us don’t really want/need right now.
Oh, and cheaper than your 2080. Just saying
Radeon 7 will not have PCIe 4.0, as some people are reporting from CES. And 7nm by itself doesn't mean much, the resulting product is what counts. And a 300W monster GPU that only matches the 2080 isn't a stellar showing for a new process.
Also, the 2080 MSRP is $699 as well. Only the FE is $799. And there are definitely custom cards available below the FE level. Street prices are what ultimately will matter.
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Nothing new?
PCI-E 4.0 ...
7nm core ...
Come to think of it, all he has that’s “new” is RTX Crap that most of us don’t really want/need right now.
Oh, and cheaper than your 2080. Just saying
Edit, forgot that they started using ddr6 memory. So it’s tied 2 to 2. LoL