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Nvidia CEO: "Radeon VII is lousy and nothing new"
Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang made some unusual harsh remarks on yesterday's announced Radeon VII from AMD. In an interview at PC World he mentions this: “The performance is lousy and there’s nothing new,” Huang said.
He finds the product underwhelming and then went on and says: “[There’s] no ray tracing, no AI. It’s 7nm with HBM memory that barely keeps up with a 2080. And if we turn on DLSS we’ll crush it. And if we turn on ray tracing we’ll crush it.”
He then added some more, “It’s a weird launch, maybe they thought of it this morning,” Huang then stated. Huang spoke before a small group of reporters and addressed a wide range of topics. It is very unusual harsh language from the CEO to talk down a product that is not yet on the market. The new Radeon XII will not be available until February 7, no objective independent reviews have been published yet.
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#5625875 Posted on: 01/10/2019 02:46 PM
So the bullies got bullied. Usually its someone from AMD making harsh comments towards Nvidia. Jensen loosing his cool , something must be up.
So the bullies got bullied. Usually its someone from AMD making harsh comments towards Nvidia. Jensen loosing his cool , something must be up.
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#5625877 Posted on: 01/10/2019 02:48 PM
RVII is the there just to hold ground until Navi comes and he knows that.
He must find a way to sell his crappy RTX cards until that happen so stating something like this is only thing nvidia can do.
RVII is the there just to hold ground until Navi comes and he knows that.
He must find a way to sell his crappy RTX cards until that happen so stating something like this is only thing nvidia can do.
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#5625878 Posted on: 01/10/2019 02:48 PM
That is just, retarded. How arrogant you can be? Does he just want attention, or wth is going on?
I´d get it, if he´d say that to her face, in private, but publicly, meeh, get a life man.
That is just, retarded. How arrogant you can be? Does he just want attention, or wth is going on?
I´d get it, if he´d say that to her face, in private, but publicly, meeh, get a life man.
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#5625882 Posted on: 01/10/2019 02:54 PM
Thinking about this more.... The Vega II that AMD showed off isn't the full chip as I'm sure everyone noticed it was only using 3840 stream processors. I wonder if Nvidia is worried AMD will put out a 4096 version that is on par with 2080 Ti performance?
No indication where Navi is right now but if its a 6-9 months out AMD could have a nice lineup with Navi filling in for the 2070 performance and below.
Thinking about this more.... The Vega II that AMD showed off isn't the full chip as I'm sure everyone noticed it was only using 3840 stream processors. I wonder if Nvidia is worried AMD will put out a 4096 version that is on par with 2080 Ti performance?
No indication where Navi is right now but if its a 6-9 months out AMD could have a nice lineup with Navi filling in for the 2070 performance and below.
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#5625883 Posted on: 01/10/2019 02:54 PM
That is just, retarded. How arrogant you can be? Does he just want attention, or wth is going on?
I´d get it, if he´d say that to her face, in private, but publicly, meeh, get a life man.
Jens & Lisa are related - must make for awkward family events.
Thinking about this more.... The Vega II that AMD showed off isn't the full chip as I'm sure everyone noticed it was only using 3840 stream processors. I wonder if Nvidia is worried AMD will put out a 4096 version that is on opar with 2080 Ti performance?
This version exists - it's the Instinct MI60 - they are binning failed variants as MI50/VII. I don't think there is much concern because AMD is running the VII clocks boosted vs the MI50. So a full variant would probably trade clockspeed for core count. Regardless I don't think the 6% additional SP's will make up the 20% performance difference between 2080Ti/VII (if it's even 2080 level).
That is just, retarded. How arrogant you can be? Does he just want attention, or wth is going on?
I´d get it, if he´d say that to her face, in private, but publicly, meeh, get a life man.
Jens & Lisa are related - must make for awkward family events.
Thinking about this more.... The Vega II that AMD showed off isn't the full chip as I'm sure everyone noticed it was only using 3840 stream processors. I wonder if Nvidia is worried AMD will put out a 4096 version that is on opar with 2080 Ti performance?
This version exists - it's the Instinct MI60 - they are binning failed variants as MI50/VII. I don't think there is much concern because AMD is running the VII clocks boosted vs the MI50. So a full variant would probably trade clockspeed for core count. Regardless I don't think the 6% additional SP's will make up the 20% performance difference between 2080Ti/VII (if it's even 2080 level).
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#5625884 Posted on: 01/10/2019 02:54 PM
Lisa Su is Huang's niece, actually. (Not kidding.)
I´d get it, if he´d say that to her face, in private, but publicly, meeh, get a life man.
Lisa Su is Huang's niece, actually. (Not kidding.)
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#5625886 Posted on: 01/10/2019 02:55 PM
Making same lighting with cubemaps will make fps much lower that ray tracing. There are no fully featured ray tracing games yet. DXR extension for D3D12 has been released less than a month ago.
Radeon VII performs and priced same as RTX 2080 - $699, yet without massive RT and Tensor part.
Vega 64 performs and cost same as RTX 2070. Even cheapest Vega 56 here is more expensive than cheapest RTX 2070 - 39800 ₽ vs 35800 ₽.
So Nvidia chips are much cheaper per sq mm.
RTX series are overpriced and RT performance is poor. This year ill build fully AMD computer to my self.
Making same lighting with cubemaps will make fps much lower that ray tracing. There are no fully featured ray tracing games yet. DXR extension for D3D12 has been released less than a month ago.
Radeon VII performs and priced same as RTX 2080 - $699, yet without massive RT and Tensor part.
Vega 64 performs and cost same as RTX 2070. Even cheapest Vega 56 here is more expensive than cheapest RTX 2070 - 39800 ₽ vs 35800 ₽.
So Nvidia chips are much cheaper per sq mm.
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#5625888 Posted on: 01/10/2019 02:55 PM
Rolls eyes
Talk about professional response, imo it looks pathetic.
Rolls eyes
Talk about professional response, imo it looks pathetic.
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#5625889 Posted on: 01/10/2019 02:55 PM
It sounds like someone is a little frustrated, Bad sales maybe? I hope it is bad sales and we can get reasonable prices again.
It sounds like someone is a little frustrated, Bad sales maybe? I hope it is bad sales and we can get reasonable prices again.
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#5625892 Posted on: 01/10/2019 02:57 PM
"if we turn on ray tracing we’ll crush it" he says...
Go on then, turn it on.
"if we turn on ray tracing we’ll crush it" he says...
Go on then, turn it on.
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#5625893 Posted on: 01/10/2019 02:58 PM
Hey Jensen, Radeon 7 has 13.5 TFLOPs of FP32 and 27TFLOPs of FP16.
Guess what? RTX 2080 Ti has 13.45 TFLOPs of FP32 and 26.9TFLOPS of FP16.
And then there is FP64 where Radeon 7 does 864GFLOPs and RTX 2080Ti only 420GFLOPs.
And how does it happen that your $1200 RTX 2080Ti has only 11GB of VRAM while AMD's $700 has 16GB of VRAM?
Hey Jensen, have you seen Lisa's jacket? It is lovely luxury item. Your bad-boy jacket underlines live crisis as it is no longer style.
Hey Jensen, Radeon 7 has 13.5 TFLOPs of FP32 and 27TFLOPs of FP16.
Guess what? RTX 2080 Ti has 13.45 TFLOPs of FP32 and 26.9TFLOPS of FP16.
And then there is FP64 where Radeon 7 does 864GFLOPs and RTX 2080Ti only 420GFLOPs.
And how does it happen that your $1200 RTX 2080Ti has only 11GB of VRAM while AMD's $700 has 16GB of VRAM?
Hey Jensen, have you seen Lisa's jacket? It is lovely luxury item. Your bad-boy jacket underlines live crisis as it is no longer style.
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#5625894 Posted on: 01/10/2019 02:58 PM
Jensen afraid of the family congratulating his niece Dr Su for bringing AMD BACK to market during this year's Chinese New Year celebrations, sidelining his same old pair of jeans and 2019 edition leather jacket.
Jensen afraid of the family congratulating his niece Dr Su for bringing AMD BACK to market during this year's Chinese New Year celebrations, sidelining his same old pair of jeans and 2019 edition leather jacket.
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#5625898 Posted on: 01/10/2019 03:03 PM
i see what you did there
The new card looks great, i'm curious about those 16gb HBM2, sounds incredible, looking forward to see it in action. The card being bundled with 3 AAA games at 700$ with rtx2080+ performance sounds interesting !
Maybe he was upset because his distant niece was stealing his black leather jacket for the announcements? 
i see what you did there
The new card looks great, i'm curious about those 16gb HBM2, sounds incredible, looking forward to see it in action. The card being bundled with 3 AAA games at 700$ with rtx2080+ performance sounds interesting !
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#5625902 Posted on: 01/10/2019 03:12 PM
Radeon VII, not XII.
Also this is sort of an odd comment from a company who's about to launch cards without AI and ray tracing because none of those things are actually a thing....
Radeon VII, not XII.
Also this is sort of an odd comment from a company who's about to launch cards without AI and ray tracing because none of those things are actually a thing....
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Ahahah lol Huang, you made me want to risk buying artefacting 2080 with RT and DLSS and without HBCC. In the meantime let me just turn down resolution to get DLSS-like quality, and not turn on RT so I can get +100% fps