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Jensen Huang talked about the renewal of its Jetson platform for autonomous robots with a Xavier-SoC. Nvidia launched a new Jetson Xavier on a form factor less than 10 by 10 cm, the Cortex-A57 cores have been replaced by eight of Nvidia's own 64-bit ARM v8.2 with a GPU based on the Volta architecture, these include Tensor cores supported by 16 GB LPDDR4x memory.
Back to the topic though, when Jensen Huang was asked when gamers can expect a Volta based GeForce card or whatever it'll be called, he answered that prices of the existing Pascal video cards had dropped to a regular level for some time and that gamers could again buy a GeForce GTX 1070, 1080 or 1080 Ti, saying that they were the best video cards that you as a gamer can buy.
Another editor asked for a small hint on the topic, Huang answered. "Do not worry, I will invite you", followed by "It'll be a long time from now". Since the question was slightly specific on Volta, his answer by itself does not eliminate the option of a pascal refresh.
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#5553124 Posted on: 06/04/2018 02:45 PM
For 1080p even the old 780Ti is still providing good performance, in cases where the CPU isn't the limiting factor.
The issue is not only the lackluster competitive pressure from AMD, but the general state of stagnation in graphics engine progress and development, while most of the effort is being spent in "gamblifying" micro-transactions into loot boxes.
To me, it looks like everybody is digging for the next big quantitative jump -- ray-tracing, since neither DX12 nor Vulkan managed to motivate studios to invest enough time and resources.
For 1080p even the old 780Ti is still providing good performance, in cases where the CPU isn't the limiting factor.
The issue is not only the lackluster competitive pressure from AMD, but the general state of stagnation in graphics engine progress and development, while most of the effort is being spent in "gamblifying" micro-transactions into loot boxes.
To me, it looks like everybody is digging for the next big quantitative jump -- ray-tracing, since neither DX12 nor Vulkan managed to motivate studios to invest enough time and resources.
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#5553126 Posted on: 06/04/2018 02:46 PM
Developers always follow hardware, you can't make a game that no one or very few can run, it makes no financial sense.
developers heavily rely on hardware advancements to push their game's requirements up.
This is fine as long as the game developers don't make games that require better tech than what we're stuck with for the next 12 months.
Developers always follow hardware, you can't make a game that no one or very few can run, it makes no financial sense.
developers heavily rely on hardware advancements to push their game's requirements up.
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#5553130 Posted on: 06/04/2018 02:50 PM
Developers always follow hardware, you can't make a game that no one or very few can run, it makes no financial sense.
developers heavily rely on hardware advancements to push their game's requirements up.
Not sure I agree there since it's not possible to run all games at maximum settings. I remember Ryse, Son of Rome. That game was crazy tough on hardware. And AC:Origins isn't playable at 4K on max settings. There are many more examples like that.
Developers always follow hardware, you can't make a game that no one or very few can run, it makes no financial sense.
developers heavily rely on hardware advancements to push their game's requirements up.
Not sure I agree there since it's not possible to run all games at maximum settings. I remember Ryse, Son of Rome. That game was crazy tough on hardware. And AC:Origins isn't playable at 4K on max settings. There are many more examples like that.
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#5553133 Posted on: 06/04/2018 02:55 PM
AC was always badly optimized but still runs fairly fine, 4K is minority in the market, you should look at mainstream hardware.
Games that are difficult to run are not very successful, sometimes developers aim too high or assume hardware will improve alot faster(remember that developing a game can take a few years)
anyways it is always hardware that dictates the tune.
Not sure I agree there since it's not possible to run all games at maximum settings. I remember Ryse, Son of Rome. That game was crazy tough on hardware. And AC:Origins isn't playable at 4K on max settings. There are many more examples like that.
AC was always badly optimized but still runs fairly fine, 4K is minority in the market, you should look at mainstream hardware.
Games that are difficult to run are not very successful, sometimes developers aim too high or assume hardware will improve alot faster(remember that developing a game can take a few years)
anyways it is always hardware that dictates the tune.
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#5553139 Posted on: 06/04/2018 03:04 PM
So in other words nvidia are allowed to be lazy frakkers because neither AMD or Intel have been able to challenge their 2 year old 10 series cards. Pathetic...
So in other words nvidia are allowed to be lazy frakkers because neither AMD or Intel have been able to challenge their 2 year old 10 series cards. Pathetic...
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#5553141 Posted on: 06/04/2018 03:07 PM
Pretty much how it works. Can't blame them.
So in other words nvidia are allowed to be lazy frakkers because neither AMD or Intel have been able to challenge their 2 year old 10 series cards. Pathetic...
Pretty much how it works. Can't blame them.
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#5553145 Posted on: 06/04/2018 03:21 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the context here about Volta-based gaming GPUs? I can totally understand that not being a thing for a long while. However, I find it a little hard to believe Nvidia won't be releasing anything new at all any time soon. I don't think they're dumb enough to deliberately allow AMD to catch up. AMD isn't as far behind as people like to think they are. They struggle a bit with high-end gaming purposes, but that's about it. Vega is modestly efficient for compute tasks, and it performs pretty well on low-end hardware.
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the context here about Volta-based gaming GPUs? I can totally understand that not being a thing for a long while. However, I find it a little hard to believe Nvidia won't be releasing anything new at all any time soon. I don't think they're dumb enough to deliberately allow AMD to catch up. AMD isn't as far behind as people like to think they are. They struggle a bit with high-end gaming purposes, but that's about it. Vega is modestly efficient for compute tasks, and it performs pretty well on low-end hardware.
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#5553153 Posted on: 06/04/2018 03:34 PM
I dunno, that would be kinda cool, a bit like how Crysis 1 was like when it came out - no one could really run it on max settings - it became a mythical benchmark of hardware because of it, and also because it looked so great in comparison to what was out at the time - I wouldn't mind something as crazy & next gen as that coming out, ha I think they should make that game now!
This is fine as long as the game developers don't make games that require better tech than what we're stuck with for the next 12 months.
I dunno, that would be kinda cool, a bit like how Crysis 1 was like when it came out - no one could really run it on max settings - it became a mythical benchmark of hardware because of it, and also because it looked so great in comparison to what was out at the time - I wouldn't mind something as crazy & next gen as that coming out, ha I think they should make that game now!
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#5553155 Posted on: 06/04/2018 03:37 PM
Just because Nvidia isn't releasing anything new doesn't mean they don't have things in the pipeline. My guess is that they have something in the works, but are waiting for an opportune moment to release (e.g., when AMD releases their next-gen). They would prefer competing against AMD, not with themselves; they want to maintain market dominance without cannibalizing their own products. Doing this also denies AMD a target.
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the context here about Volta-based gaming GPUs? I can totally understand that not being a thing for a long while. However, I find it a little hard to believe Nvidia won't be releasing anything new at all any time soon. I don't think they're dumb enough to deliberately allow AMD to catch up. AMD isn't as far behind as people like to think they are. They struggle a bit with high-end gaming purposes, but that's about it. Vega is modestly efficient for compute tasks, and it performs pretty well on low-end hardware.
Just because Nvidia isn't releasing anything new doesn't mean they don't have things in the pipeline. My guess is that they have something in the works, but are waiting for an opportune moment to release (e.g., when AMD releases their next-gen). They would prefer competing against AMD, not with themselves; they want to maintain market dominance without cannibalizing their own products. Doing this also denies AMD a target.
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#5553157 Posted on: 06/04/2018 03:40 PM
Let's be honest, apart from the 4k crowd, what games are coming that are really that demanding that we need a next-gen card? I can't think of any that are coming in the next 6 months that would justify an upgrade.
Let's be honest, apart from the 4k crowd, what games are coming that are really that demanding that we need a next-gen card? I can't think of any that are coming in the next 6 months that would justify an upgrade.
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#5553158 Posted on: 06/04/2018 03:40 PM
Today you have reliable synthetic benchmarks for that...
I dunno, that would be kinda cool, a bit like how Crysis 1 was like when it came out - no one could really run it on max settings - it became a mythical benchmark of hardware because of it, and also because it looked so great in comparison to what was out at the time - I wouldn't mind something as crazy & next gen as that coming out, ha I think they should make that game now!
Today you have reliable synthetic benchmarks for that...
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#5553159 Posted on: 06/04/2018 03:45 PM
What else would they release if not Volta or post Volta? What does Volta even do for gaming aside from RTX acceleration? Does anyone know?
You guys say this and yet no one can answer my question from page 1 - what would Nvidia even build right now? Would you pay $800 for 20-30% more performance than a 1080Ti? A good overclock can make up most of that.. yet that's all they can do given the current process technology.
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the context here about Volta-based gaming GPUs? I can totally understand that not being a thing for a long while. However, I find it a little hard to believe Nvidia won't be releasing anything new at all any time soon. I don't think they're dumb enough to deliberately allow AMD to catch up. AMD isn't as far behind as people like to think they are. They struggle a bit with high-end gaming purposes, but that's about it. Vega is modestly efficient for compute tasks, and it performs pretty well on low-end hardware.
What else would they release if not Volta or post Volta? What does Volta even do for gaming aside from RTX acceleration? Does anyone know?
So in other words nvidia are allowed to be lazy frakkers because neither AMD or Intel have been able to challenge their 2 year old 10 series cards. Pathetic...
Pretty much how it works. Can't blame them.
You guys say this and yet no one can answer my question from page 1 - what would Nvidia even build right now? Would you pay $800 for 20-30% more performance than a 1080Ti? A good overclock can make up most of that.. yet that's all they can do given the current process technology.
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#5553171 Posted on: 06/04/2018 04:05 PM
Next generation of GeForce cards is likely to be released just in time for Metro Exodus. Which is Q1 2019. As far as I know this is the closest to release game that will incorporate nVidia's RTX technology.
Next generation of GeForce cards is likely to be released just in time for Metro Exodus. Which is Q1 2019. As far as I know this is the closest to release game that will incorporate nVidia's RTX technology.
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#5553174 Posted on: 06/04/2018 04:09 PM
in PC games, developer can set limit above most mainstream gamer-PC set
but again their priority is the mainstream gamer PC specs, simply because that the main sales come from....
for developer actually its easy to create super-realistic visual that need much better spec
i mean they can slab 8k texture, tons of environmental particle+various lighting etc. etc.
but make it efficiently optimized game is much harder
so game developing isnt about "raw" power... actually developer trying to find a way to achieve things more efficiently.
look at how Quantic Dream created Detroit: become human.... using PS4 spec, they can achieve that cinematic visual quality.... imo impressive enough
Not sure I agree there since it's not possible to run all games at maximum settings. I remember Ryse, Son of Rome. That game was crazy tough on hardware. And AC:Origins isn't playable at 4K on max settings. There are many more examples like that.
in PC games, developer can set limit above most mainstream gamer-PC set
but again their priority is the mainstream gamer PC specs, simply because that the main sales come from....
for developer actually its easy to create super-realistic visual that need much better spec
i mean they can slab 8k texture, tons of environmental particle+various lighting etc. etc.
but make it efficiently optimized game is much harder
so game developing isnt about "raw" power... actually developer trying to find a way to achieve things more efficiently.
look at how Quantic Dream created Detroit: become human.... using PS4 spec, they can achieve that cinematic visual quality.... imo impressive enough
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This is fine as long as the game developers don't make games that require better tech than what we're stuck with for the next 12 months.