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NVIDIA CEO Makes Interesting Remark, New Gamers GeForce is a long time away from now
Earlier today the first press conferences started in Taiwan, today Nvidia held an invite-only press-conference with Jensen Huang. Nothing ground-breaking or new for the consumer market has been introduced. At the end of the session, however, Journalists asked some questions.
Jensen Huang talked about the renewal of its Jetson platform for autonomous robots with a Xavier-SoC. Nvidia launched a new Jetson Xavier on a form factor less than 10 by 10 cm, the Cortex-A57 cores have been replaced by eight of Nvidia's own 64-bit ARM v8.2 with a GPU based on the Volta architecture, these include Tensor cores supported by 16 GB LPDDR4x memory.
Back to the topic though, when Jensen Huang was asked when gamers can expect a Volta based GeForce card or whatever it'll be called, he answered that prices of the existing Pascal video cards had dropped to a regular level for some time and that gamers could again buy a GeForce GTX 1070, 1080 or 1080 Ti, saying that they were the best video cards that you as a gamer can buy.
Another editor asked for a small hint on the topic, Huang answered. "Do not worry, I will invite you", followed by "It'll be a long time from now". Since the question was slightly specific on Volta, his answer by itself does not eliminate the option of a pascal refresh.
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#5553084 Posted on: 06/04/2018 01:46 PM
They could have done the volta chip without hbm2, and instead use gddr5x until gddr6 is ready - the full volta chip without hbm2 should be like 550-600mm2.
Idk, you say it's lack of competition - if Nvidia had competition right now, what would they build? What would a GPU nvidia ships right now even look like? 12nm barely provides any improvement over 16nm and the 1080Ti is limited by it's 250w/300w TDP. So they'd release what, a slightly bigger 1080Ti? People would just complain it's too expensive and not enough of a performance improvement. Notice how AMD, who has competition hasn't released anything either? It's not because of lack of competition.. it's because they are in the same boat.
They could have done the volta chip without hbm2, and instead use gddr5x until gddr6 is ready - the full volta chip without hbm2 should be like 550-600mm2.
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#5553087 Posted on: 06/04/2018 01:51 PM
as lovely as a new card would be... why would Nvidia bother? from a business stand point the 10xx series is still selling really well... and they have no competition right now specially in the top end market, so from a purely business stand point id make no sense to make a new card.
and im guessing they feel or know that AMD currently doesn't have anything to bring out any time soon
as lovely as a new card would be... why would Nvidia bother? from a business stand point the 10xx series is still selling really well... and they have no competition right now specially in the top end market, so from a purely business stand point id make no sense to make a new card.
and im guessing they feel or know that AMD currently doesn't have anything to bring out any time soon
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#5553088 Posted on: 06/04/2018 01:52 PM
I hope AMD will be able to release something in between, because I don't want to spend a fortune on a 1080 today and later learn that a 1160 has just been released.
I hope AMD will be able to release something in between, because I don't want to spend a fortune on a 1080 today and later learn that a 1160 has just been released.
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#5553090 Posted on: 06/04/2018 01:53 PM
The 815mm2 die size of GV100 doesn't include the HBM2 stacks. You'd strip the tensors/FP64 and get 550-600 but then you run into what I said.. it's like 20% more performance, arguably because of clock speed due to power limitations.. but then what? Your new generation is maxed at 20% more than previous and costs more. No one is going to go for that and the same people saying "nvidia is holding back due to lack of competition" will just say "nvidia is milking the same architecture under a new name" or whatever.
http://theconfab.com/wp-content/uploads/P-6-2018-ConFab-Talk-Andy-Wei.pdf
GV100 interposer is ~1380mm2
They could have done the volta chip without hbm2, and instead use gddr5x until gddr6 is ready - the full volta chip without hbm2 should be like 550-600mm2.
The 815mm2 die size of GV100 doesn't include the HBM2 stacks. You'd strip the tensors/FP64 and get 550-600 but then you run into what I said.. it's like 20% more performance, arguably because of clock speed due to power limitations.. but then what? Your new generation is maxed at 20% more than previous and costs more. No one is going to go for that and the same people saying "nvidia is holding back due to lack of competition" will just say "nvidia is milking the same architecture under a new name" or whatever.
http://theconfab.com/wp-content/uploads/P-6-2018-ConFab-Talk-Andy-Wei.pdf
GV100 interposer is ~1380mm2
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Looks like JayzTwoCents was right. Despite all the rumors and speculations, there was really no solid evidence that a new consumer GPU was coming. As long as Pascal continues to dominate, Nvidia has no reason to release anything new (it's what inevitably happens when there is a lack of competition). As I said before, you should always treat such rumors with a mountain of salt.
Of course Nvidia fans will continue to believe that a new GPU is right around the corner :p (what is a "long time"? A few months? Weeks? Days?)
Idk, you say it's lack of competition - if Nvidia had competition right now, what would they build? What would a GPU nvidia ships right now even look like? 12nm barely provides any improvement over 16nm and the 1080Ti is limited by it's 250w/300w TDP. So they'd release what, a slightly bigger 1080Ti? People would just complain it's too expensive and not enough of a performance improvement. Notice how AMD, who has competition hasn't released anything either? It's not because of lack of competition.. it's because they are in the same boat.