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Nvidia asks video card retailers to give gamers priority over miners
Retailers have begun selling GeForce GTX graphics cards in limited quantities per order. Nvidia confirmed this due to an initiative of the GPU manufacturer in an attempt to limit sales to miners. What effect this has on for prices and availability, remains to be seen.
The new restriction will be a maximum of two graphics cards (of the same model) per order. Whether or not this will have an effect will remain to be seen. As you could place multiple orders, or buy elsewhere.
Nvidia: " For NVIDIA, gamers come first. All activities related to our GeForce product line are targeted at our main audience. To ensure that GeForce gamers continue to have good GeForce graphics card availability in the current situation, we recommend that our trading partners make the appropriate arrangements to meet gamers' needs as usual."
Nvidia emphasizes that retailers can, but do not have to, follow this " recommendation ", reports computerbase. The manufacturer would never intervene in the freedom and independence of trade. (which is a legal thing). Some stores have now limited the number of video cards per customer. Caseking, Alternate, MIX, and Mindfactory only provide two video cards of the same type per customer. Incidentally, the stores have the same policy regarding AMD Radeon cards.
Massive purchase of video cards for mincing cryptocurrencies are the cause, as a result, the prices of video cards have risen considerably, according to an inventory last week.
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#5512883 Posted on: 01/22/2018 09:50 AM
limit sales to miners
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#5512885 Posted on: 01/22/2018 10:04 AM
It could be nvidia is honest about this, but in a cynical way. Maybe they're afraid that the stockpiling of GPUs by miners might result in the used hardware market hurting their future sales, once the miners go and offload a crapload of GPUs for very low prices.
Probably not, but the thought just crossed my mind.
It could be nvidia is honest about this, but in a cynical way. Maybe they're afraid that the stockpiling of GPUs by miners might result in the used hardware market hurting their future sales, once the miners go and offload a crapload of GPUs for very low prices.
Probably not, but the thought just crossed my mind.
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#5512887 Posted on: 01/22/2018 10:22 AM
The situation is dramatic really. The biggest store here has 0 (ZERO) 1070s available, 1 (ONE) crappy Gigabyte 1080 which costs more than a 1080Ti did at launch, 3 crappy Palit 1080Tis which cost over 1000 euros (and will probably be gone in the next hour)... even 1060 prices are insane, but at least there is some availability there.
The worst part is, I don't see this getting better anytime soon. It really, REALLY sucks to be in need of a gaming GPU now.
ops:
The situation is dramatic really. The biggest store here has 0 (ZERO) 1070s available, 1 (ONE) crappy Gigabyte 1080 which costs more than a 1080Ti did at launch, 3 crappy Palit 1080Tis which cost over 1000 euros (and will probably be gone in the next hour)... even 1060 prices are insane, but at least there is some availability there.
The worst part is, I don't see this getting better anytime soon. It really, REALLY sucks to be in need of a gaming GPU now.
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#5512888 Posted on: 01/22/2018 10:26 AM
Good idea to limit sales to miners, then again it's neither forceable onto them, nor would it solve the problems. Seperate mining cards from gaming card lines, that might help, but requires more R&D and the OK from AMD/Nvidia to do so.
Like it read's from Nvidia, it is a cynical PR stunt. Shameful.
Good idea to limit sales to miners, then again it's neither forceable onto them, nor would it solve the problems. Seperate mining cards from gaming card lines, that might help, but requires more R&D and the OK from AMD/Nvidia to do so.
Like it read's from Nvidia, it is a cynical PR stunt. Shameful.
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#5512890 Posted on: 01/22/2018 10:30 AM
The situation is dramatic really. The biggest store here has 0 (ZERO) 1070s available, 1 (ONE) crappy Gigabyte 1080 which costs more than a 1080Ti did at launch, 3 crappy Palit 1080Tis which cost over 1000 euros (and will probably be gone in the next hour)... even 1060 prices are insane, but at least there is some availability there.
The worst part is, I don't see this getting better anytime soon. It really, REALLY sucks to be in need of a gaming GPU now.ops:
Why buy almost 1 year old hardware :p
Allways buy graphicscards day 1
The situation is dramatic really. The biggest store here has 0 (ZERO) 1070s available, 1 (ONE) crappy Gigabyte 1080 which costs more than a 1080Ti did at launch, 3 crappy Palit 1080Tis which cost over 1000 euros (and will probably be gone in the next hour)... even 1060 prices are insane, but at least there is some availability there.
The worst part is, I don't see this getting better anytime soon. It really, REALLY sucks to be in need of a gaming GPU now.
ops:Why buy almost 1 year old hardware :p
Allways buy graphicscards day 1
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#5512892 Posted on: 01/22/2018 10:34 AM
Why buy almost 1 year old hardware :p
Allways buy graphicscards day 1
They might as well be cheaper on day 1 than later on when stocks are low and availability makes the prices hike... I haven't regretted getting my 1080Ti for just under 800$ 5 weeks after launch.
Why buy almost 1 year old hardware :p
Allways buy graphicscards day 1
They might as well be cheaper on day 1 than later on when stocks are low and availability makes the prices hike... I haven't regretted getting my 1080Ti for just under 800$ 5 weeks after launch.
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#5512894 Posted on: 01/22/2018 10:37 AM
Good idea to limit sales to miners, then again it's neither forceable onto them, nor would it solve the problems. Seperate mining cards from gaming card lines, that might help, but requires more R&D and the OK from AMD/Nvidia to do so.
Like it read's from Nvidia, it is a cynical PR stunt. Shameful.
They would need to be considerably cheaper, but realistically speaking they can't be if the only hardware difference, more or less, is the lack of multiple display connectors (the value of the connectors is a couple of euros max for the manufacturer, unless they have some weird licensing fees). Of course dedicated mining cards might also possess more loud cooling. They are money makers, so what does it matter what they sound like? Otherwise miners would want to keep buying real video cards because they can try to sell those to gamers if/when the cryptocurrency market crashes. Few gamers would want dedicated mining cards, I reckon.
Good idea to limit sales to miners, then again it's neither forceable onto them, nor would it solve the problems. Seperate mining cards from gaming card lines, that might help, but requires more R&D and the OK from AMD/Nvidia to do so.
Like it read's from Nvidia, it is a cynical PR stunt. Shameful.
They would need to be considerably cheaper, but realistically speaking they can't be if the only hardware difference, more or less, is the lack of multiple display connectors (the value of the connectors is a couple of euros max for the manufacturer, unless they have some weird licensing fees). Of course dedicated mining cards might also possess more loud cooling. They are money makers, so what does it matter what they sound like? Otherwise miners would want to keep buying real video cards because they can try to sell those to gamers if/when the cryptocurrency market crashes. Few gamers would want dedicated mining cards, I reckon.
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#5512897 Posted on: 01/22/2018 10:42 AM
I guess it would require a lot of R&D to produce cards that are incredible miners but crappy graphics cards, if something like this would ever be produced by AMD/Nvidia. Other than that you are right, there's virtually no difference, and the few connetors aren't making lots of a difference in board costs. Other than the chip itself the boards are usually not the cost driving factor I guess.
They would need to be considerably cheaper, but realistically speaking they can't be if the only hardware difference, more or less, is the lack of multiple display connectors (the value of the connectors is a couple of euros max for the manufacturer, unless they have some weird licensing fees). Of course dedicated mining cards might also possess more loud cooling. They are money makers, so what does it matter what they sound like? Otherwise miners would want to keep buying real video cards because they can try to sell those to gamers if/when the cryptocurrency market crashes. Few gamers would want dedicated mining cards, I reckon.
I guess it would require a lot of R&D to produce cards that are incredible miners but crappy graphics cards, if something like this would ever be produced by AMD/Nvidia. Other than that you are right, there's virtually no difference, and the few connetors aren't making lots of a difference in board costs. Other than the chip itself the boards are usually not the cost driving factor I guess.
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#5512898 Posted on: 01/22/2018 10:46 AM
There are mining cards out there. They simply don't have any outputs. Miners don't seem to buy them though. I guess they want to sell them later on to gamers.
So the trick here isn't producing a card that's good for mining but crap for gaming. It's producing a card that's good for gaming but crap for mining. Which just doesn't sound possible.
I guess it would require a lot of R&D to produce cards that are incredible miners but crappy graphics cards
There are mining cards out there. They simply don't have any outputs. Miners don't seem to buy them though. I guess they want to sell them later on to gamers.
So the trick here isn't producing a card that's good for mining but crap for gaming. It's producing a card that's good for gaming but crap for mining. Which just doesn't sound possible.
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#5512902 Posted on: 01/22/2018 11:07 AM
Segment your Client base. Miners are B2B clients, Gamers are B2C clients.
Release Miner cards / Gamer cards.
Limit B2C cards mining performance on Firmware/Hardware level for New and Future generations of cards.
B2B versions will have no limitations.
Current generation of cards will still have issues, no way around that, however future should normalize the situation.
Segment your Client base. Miners are B2B clients, Gamers are B2C clients.
Release Miner cards / Gamer cards.
Limit B2C cards mining performance on Firmware/Hardware level for New and Future generations of cards.
B2B versions will have no limitations.
Current generation of cards will still have issues, no way around that, however future should normalize the situation.
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#5512912 Posted on: 01/22/2018 11:46 AM
There are mining cards out there. They simply don't have any outputs. Miners don't seem to buy them though. I guess they want to sell them later on to gamers.
So the trick here isn't producing a card that's good for mining but crap for gaming. It's producing a card that's good for gaming but crap for mining. Which just doesn't sound possible.
hehe selling abused and enslaved GPUs that never rendered more than the windows desktop, such a crime!
Well, just buy Nvidia, they used to be bad at mining, good for dx11 gaming. Let's see how this turns out for mining in the future.
There are mining cards out there. They simply don't have any outputs. Miners don't seem to buy them though. I guess they want to sell them later on to gamers.
So the trick here isn't producing a card that's good for mining but crap for gaming. It's producing a card that's good for gaming but crap for mining. Which just doesn't sound possible.
hehe selling abused and enslaved GPUs that never rendered more than the windows desktop, such a crime!
Well, just buy Nvidia, they used to be bad at mining, good for dx11 gaming. Let's see how this turns out for mining in the future.
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#5512913 Posted on: 01/22/2018 11:50 AM
Nvidia cant keep up with the demand ? i can only lol at this.
Nvidia cant keep up with the demand ? i can only lol at this.
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#5512925 Posted on: 01/22/2018 01:16 PM
Has to be better than AMD's situation at least although I heard NVIDIA's own web store periodically runs out of 1080Ti GPU's too now, price is probably climbing up a bit too but also likely nowhere near how bad it seems to be for AMD.
Vega 56's MSRP is like what 400$ whereas store prices here are now reaching 8000 - 9000 SEK or 1000 - 1100 USD or higher in a few cases if there's only one or two stores that have stock currently.
So comparably the 1080 seem to be around 6000 SEK and the 1080Ti is around 8000 SEK but then it's also clearly faster so for gaming it's a no-brainer so no wonder NV's GPU's are also selling nicely ha ha.
(Compared against the Vega 56 it's around 30% or so faster as I remember, incredibly expensive for a GPU but also really fast and there's no real competition for this model since it also outperforms the Vega 64 by a fair margin.)
EDIT: No idea what Nvidia are selling these GPU's for to the various retailer chains but them having a much bigger stock must be giving them quite a advantage. AMD's 400, 500 and Vega GPU's are either out of stock entirely or in limited quantity and the price difference between MSRP and what they're actually going for makes NVIDIA's cards even more attractive for gaming purposes.
(And while it might not look like the 1000 series Pascal GPU's are flying off the shelves whereas AMD's shipments are a dozen or so GPU's per delivery for Vega for Nvidia and Pascal it's usually in the 100's so availability is less of a concern.)
(Situation is a bit better for Polaris though, it's slowly making a comeback and can be found in stock now in several stores though also at a price premium but nowhere near as bad as Vega.)
EDIT: Looks like MSI and Asus is getting some more stock out after a quick look, it's not expected until mid-February though plus if the prices don't normalize it's still not much of a threat to NVIDIA and the 1060, 1070, 1070Ti, 1080 and 1080Ti GPU's which cover a broad range of different performance and price levels.
(580 competes a bit with the 1060 and the higher-clocked models might be able to get close to the 1070 so AMD might be able to compete a bit more here if prices don't shoot up too badly again for these GPU's though I don't see that happening.)
Nvidia cant keep up with the demand ? i can only lol at this.
Has to be better than AMD's situation at least although I heard NVIDIA's own web store periodically runs out of 1080Ti GPU's too now, price is probably climbing up a bit too but also likely nowhere near how bad it seems to be for AMD.
Vega 56's MSRP is like what 400$ whereas store prices here are now reaching 8000 - 9000 SEK or 1000 - 1100 USD or higher in a few cases if there's only one or two stores that have stock currently.
So comparably the 1080 seem to be around 6000 SEK and the 1080Ti is around 8000 SEK but then it's also clearly faster so for gaming it's a no-brainer so no wonder NV's GPU's are also selling nicely ha ha.
(Compared against the Vega 56 it's around 30% or so faster as I remember, incredibly expensive for a GPU but also really fast and there's no real competition for this model since it also outperforms the Vega 64 by a fair margin.)
EDIT: No idea what Nvidia are selling these GPU's for to the various retailer chains but them having a much bigger stock must be giving them quite a advantage. AMD's 400, 500 and Vega GPU's are either out of stock entirely or in limited quantity and the price difference between MSRP and what they're actually going for makes NVIDIA's cards even more attractive for gaming purposes.
(And while it might not look like the 1000 series Pascal GPU's are flying off the shelves whereas AMD's shipments are a dozen or so GPU's per delivery for Vega for Nvidia and Pascal it's usually in the 100's so availability is less of a concern.)
(Situation is a bit better for Polaris though, it's slowly making a comeback and can be found in stock now in several stores though also at a price premium but nowhere near as bad as Vega.)
EDIT: Looks like MSI and Asus is getting some more stock out after a quick look, it's not expected until mid-February though plus if the prices don't normalize it's still not much of a threat to NVIDIA and the 1060, 1070, 1070Ti, 1080 and 1080Ti GPU's which cover a broad range of different performance and price levels.
(580 competes a bit with the 1060 and the higher-clocked models might be able to get close to the 1070 so AMD might be able to compete a bit more here if prices don't shoot up too badly again for these GPU's though I don't see that happening.)
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#5512933 Posted on: 01/22/2018 01:46 PM
Why buy almost 1 year old hardware :p
Allways buy graphicscards day 1
I know that, I always do it. Got my 1080Ti at release literally with the first shipment of the MSI Gaming line in my country. WAAAAAY cheaper than it is now, IF it would be in stock.
I'm really curious if these shortages and huge demand will influence the release of Volta. I mean, nvidia/amd usually have problems with leftover stock when coming out with a new generation, now let's see if they keep making 1070s/1080s/1080Tis etc. to keep up with mining demand or keep the supply low and launch Volta.
Why buy almost 1 year old hardware :p
Allways buy graphicscards day 1
I know that, I always do it. Got my 1080Ti at release literally with the first shipment of the MSI Gaming line in my country. WAAAAAY cheaper than it is now, IF it would be in stock.
I'm really curious if these shortages and huge demand will influence the release of Volta. I mean, nvidia/amd usually have problems with leftover stock when coming out with a new generation, now let's see if they keep making 1070s/1080s/1080Tis etc. to keep up with mining demand or keep the supply low and launch Volta.
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So this is basically NVIDIA saying to gamers: "Look what we are doing for you. You're welcome!", while full well knowing it is useless. It's free marketing because they could literally say: "XXXXXX you damn miners! Go to hell!" and that won't stop them from purchasing.
At the end of the day, not really such a big deal, but they are kind of using people in general, I suppose.