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Nvidia announces Turing architecture for gpu's Quadro RTX8000, 6000, 5000
Jensen Huang has let the cat out of the bag and has made a number of announcements over at SIGGRAPH, one of them. Turing is the new architecture for next-gen GPUs. In addition, the company has announced a number of graphics cards, not intended for the consumer market.
For the SIGGRAPH presentations, Nvidia focused mainly on ray tracing CAPABILITIES, and Turing gpu's will have specialized RT cores on board to enable ray tracing with minimal delay. Together with a new generation of Tensor cores a Turing gpu would offer performance increases, six time that of the previous Pascal generation. Nvidia plans to develop Turing with the goal of enabling real-time raytracing effects. This was expected after Microsoft added DXR into DirectX 12 and Nvidia's implementation of RTX at GDC 2018. Thus far, only Volta has been able to accelerate this in hardware. Turing can do that too - via dedicated circuits that you know as the Volta tensor cores for AI. For Turing NVIDIA adds RT cores, ray tracing cores - next to the classic CUDA cores, of course.
Quadro RTX 8000 Quadro RTX 6000 Quadro RTX 5000 Quadro GV100 Quadro P6000
Architecture
Turing
Turing
Turing
Volta
Pascal
FP32 ALUs
4608
4608
3072
5120
3840
Tensor cores
576
576
384
640
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RT-cores
Yes
Yes
Yes
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FP32 performance
16 TFLOPS
? TFLOPS
? TFLOPS
14.8 TFLOPS
12 TFLOPS
Memory
48 GB GDDR6
24 GB GDDR6
16 GB GDDR6
32 GB HBM2
24 GB GDDR5X
Turing GPUs make use of, or better yet, can make use of gddr6 memory at a maximum speed of of 14Gbit/s, and that is available from Samsung, SK Hynix and Micron. Nvidia announced four professional models, the Quadro RTX8000, 6000, 5000 and RTX Server. The flagship is the RTX8000 has 4608 shader-cores and 576 Tensor cores at a die size of 754 square millimeters. The new GPUs will be released this autumn.
“Turing is NVIDIA’s most important innovation in computer graphics in more than a decade,” said Jensen Huang, founder and CEO of NVIDIA, speaking at the start of the annual SIGGRAPH conference. “Hybrid rendering will change the industry, opening up amazing possibilities that enhance our lives with more beautiful designs, richer entertainment and more interactive experiences. The arrival of real-time ray tracing is the Holy Grail of our industry.”
Even though there is no information yet about the gaming graphics cards, it was already mentioned that the new GeForce models will also be based on Turing. Nvidia is expected to announce the consumer versions of the new GPUs next week at the GamesCom gaming fair in Cologne Germany.
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#5573571 Posted on: 08/14/2018 08:53 AM
Right, I said it will have Tensor cores.
Right, I said it will have Tensor cores.
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#5573572 Posted on: 08/14/2018 08:54 AM
Pricing looks great.... 10K for the RTX8000!! gotta love competition
Pricing looks great.... 10K for the RTX8000!! gotta love competition
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#5573583 Posted on: 08/14/2018 09:46 AM
Huge amount of new features in both hardware and software.
Monst.... no, more like Frankenstein GPU
REAL TIME RAY TRACING IS HERE!
Huge amount of new features in both hardware and software.
Monst.... no, more like Frankenstein GPU
REAL TIME RAY TRACING IS HERE!
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#5573620 Posted on: 08/14/2018 11:52 AM
A lot of hype....but man if this lives up to the hype AMD have a mountain to climb to catch up...
A lot of hype....but man if this lives up to the hype AMD have a mountain to climb to catch up...
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#5573762 Posted on: 08/14/2018 06:24 PM
It's so difficult for me to know how much of this is legitimately actually amazing vs Huang just spewing superlatives and patting himself on the back. I'm not questioning if Turing will be a great architecture; I know it will be. But what I don't think it's as revolutionary as he makes it out to be, particularly when it comes to existing hardware (let alone, affordability).
It's so difficult for me to know how much of this is legitimately actually amazing vs Huang just spewing superlatives and patting himself on the back. I'm not questioning if Turing will be a great architecture; I know it will be. But what I don't think it's as revolutionary as he makes it out to be, particularly when it comes to existing hardware (let alone, affordability).
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#5573768 Posted on: 08/14/2018 06:33 PM
isnt it the greatest? but hey atlest there amd cpu department is actual worth damn again I still think "ATI" care were better competitions back when they were ATI then again what do I know
Pricing looks great.... 10K for the RTX8000!! gotta love competition
isnt it the greatest? but hey atlest there amd cpu department is actual worth damn again I still think "ATI" care were better competitions back when they were ATI then again what do I know
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#5573782 Posted on: 08/14/2018 06:51 PM
Idk the entire "revolutionary" bit is related to Raytracing - other than that it's just more of the same with some slight architecture tweaks. I don't really find the word revolutionary synonymous with affordable.
If Raytracing catches on in games (which I think it will) then obviously Nvidia is ahead of the pack not only because they basically pushed Microsoft to do DXR (so they know it best) but they've been practicing denoising algorithms (the means for their acceleration) for the last half decade and they are obviously the first to put dedicated hardware in a GPU that can accelerate DXR. For game developers DXR is a no brainer as it considerably reduces the workload on artists to come up with rendering hacks and can potentially significantly increase image quality. I assume this will go for whatever the Vulkan equivalent to DXR is.
It will take time for game engines to start including DXR functionality and perhaps a generation or two before it's considered "mainstream" but I think it's definitely the future and if Nvidia's architecture accelerates it then I think it's safe to say what they are doing here is revolutionary, even though it may not lead to immediate benefits.
It's so difficult for me to know how much of this is legitimately actually amazing vs Huang just spewing superlatives and patting himself on the back. I'm not questioning if Turing will be a great architecture; I know it will be. But what I don't think it's as revolutionary as he makes it out to be, particularly when it comes to existing hardware (let alone, affordability).
Idk the entire "revolutionary" bit is related to Raytracing - other than that it's just more of the same with some slight architecture tweaks. I don't really find the word revolutionary synonymous with affordable.
If Raytracing catches on in games (which I think it will) then obviously Nvidia is ahead of the pack not only because they basically pushed Microsoft to do DXR (so they know it best) but they've been practicing denoising algorithms (the means for their acceleration) for the last half decade and they are obviously the first to put dedicated hardware in a GPU that can accelerate DXR. For game developers DXR is a no brainer as it considerably reduces the workload on artists to come up with rendering hacks and can potentially significantly increase image quality. I assume this will go for whatever the Vulkan equivalent to DXR is.
It will take time for game engines to start including DXR functionality and perhaps a generation or two before it's considered "mainstream" but I think it's definitely the future and if Nvidia's architecture accelerates it then I think it's safe to say what they are doing here is revolutionary, even though it may not lead to immediate benefits.
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#5573787 Posted on: 08/14/2018 07:08 PM
I didn't suggest revolutionary was synonymous with affordability... I'm saying I think Huang is exaggerating how great Turing is, and something becomes a lot less impressive or interesting once you find out how expensive it is.
If raytracing really takes off, it's going to take a long while. It all comes down to how it's implemented. If it ends up being too demanding on hardware without tensor cores, it's going to suffer the same fate as Physx. If current or next-gen consoles don't use DXR, very few PC games will either.
So yes, if raytracing becomes a mainstream reality, Nvidia will have a major head-start. But that's a really big "if".
Idk the entire "revolutionary" bit is related to Raytracing - other than that it's just more of the same with some slight architecture tweaks. I don't really find the word revolutionary synonymous with affordable.
I didn't suggest revolutionary was synonymous with affordability... I'm saying I think Huang is exaggerating how great Turing is, and something becomes a lot less impressive or interesting once you find out how expensive it is.
If Raytracing catches on in games (which I think it will) then obviously Nvidia is ahead of the pack not only because they basically pushed Microsoft to do DXR (so they know it best) but they've been practicing denoising algorithms (the means for their acceleration) for the last half decade and they are obviously the first to put dedicated hardware in a GPU that can accelerate DXR. For game developers DXR is a no brainer as it considerably reduces the workload on artists to come up with rendering hacks and can potentially significantly increase image quality. I assume this will go for whatever the Vulkan equivalent to DXR is.
If raytracing really takes off, it's going to take a long while. It all comes down to how it's implemented. If it ends up being too demanding on hardware without tensor cores, it's going to suffer the same fate as Physx. If current or next-gen consoles don't use DXR, very few PC games will either.
So yes, if raytracing becomes a mainstream reality, Nvidia will have a major head-start. But that's a really big "if".
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#5573790 Posted on: 08/14/2018 07:19 PM
The 2080 is going to be insanely expensive. I bet we will be looking at an MSRP of 499 for the RTX 2070, and 699 for the RTX 2080. Miners and third party sellers will cause prices to skyrocket to 900 and 1200 though right after release.
The 2080 is going to be insanely expensive. I bet we will be looking at an MSRP of 499 for the RTX 2070, and 699 for the RTX 2080. Miners and third party sellers will cause prices to skyrocket to 900 and 1200 though right after release.
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#5573792 Posted on: 08/14/2018 07:21 PM
If raytracing really takes off, it's going to take a long while. It all comes down to how it's implemented. If it ends up being too demanding on hardware without tensor cores, it's going to suffer the same fate as Physx. If current or next-gen consoles don't use DXR, very few PC games will either.
So yes, if raytracing becomes a mainstream reality, Nvidia will have a major head-start. But that's a really big "if".
AMD can already accelerate DXR with mixed math on Vega. Mixed math will most likely be on all cards going forward, mainstream and highend for both companies - the acceleration on mixed math won't be to the same degree as tensor but it will still be faster than FP32. I imagine games will have toggles for various effects that will utilize DXR, so depending on the level of acceleration some cards will be able to flip everything on, others not. Eventually, once mainstream cards all have proper acceleration to some industry defined level, all games will utilize DXR for their lighting systems. Raytracing just simplifies the process so much that it's a no brainer. It's not really an if, it's a when - you need the hardware to write the software.
The 2080 is going to be insanely expensive. I bet we will be looking at an MSRP of 499 for the RTX 2070, and 699 for the RTX 2080. Miners and third party sellers will cause prices to skyrocket to 900 and 1200 though right after release.
If the 2080 is based on GV102 then it's as physically big as Nvidia can build a card, in which case it's replacing the Ti model and there will be no Ti unless it's on some kind of die shrink refresh. $700 for a Ti replacement doesn't seem that insane - same as the 1080Ti on launch and only $50 more than 980Ti.
If raytracing really takes off, it's going to take a long while. It all comes down to how it's implemented. If it ends up being too demanding on hardware without tensor cores, it's going to suffer the same fate as Physx. If current or next-gen consoles don't use DXR, very few PC games will either.
So yes, if raytracing becomes a mainstream reality, Nvidia will have a major head-start. But that's a really big "if".
AMD can already accelerate DXR with mixed math on Vega. Mixed math will most likely be on all cards going forward, mainstream and highend for both companies - the acceleration on mixed math won't be to the same degree as tensor but it will still be faster than FP32. I imagine games will have toggles for various effects that will utilize DXR, so depending on the level of acceleration some cards will be able to flip everything on, others not. Eventually, once mainstream cards all have proper acceleration to some industry defined level, all games will utilize DXR for their lighting systems. Raytracing just simplifies the process so much that it's a no brainer. It's not really an if, it's a when - you need the hardware to write the software.
The 2080 is going to be insanely expensive. I bet we will be looking at an MSRP of 499 for the RTX 2070, and 699 for the RTX 2080. Miners and third party sellers will cause prices to skyrocket to 900 and 1200 though right after release.
If the 2080 is based on GV102 then it's as physically big as Nvidia can build a card, in which case it's replacing the Ti model and there will be no Ti unless it's on some kind of die shrink refresh. $700 for a Ti replacement doesn't seem that insane - same as the 1080Ti on launch and only $50 more than 980Ti.
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#5573798 Posted on: 08/14/2018 07:34 PM
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#5573807 Posted on: 08/14/2018 07:48 PM
I wonder if he's not happy at Intel and looking for a new job at Nvidia.
I wonder if he's not happy at Intel and looking for a new job at Nvidia.
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#5573810 Posted on: 08/14/2018 07:52 PM
Too early for that. He's still checking out the quality of the office ladies
And being a sport when it comes to competition.
I wonder if he's not happy at Intel and looking for a new job at Nvidia.
Too early for that. He's still checking out the quality of the office ladies
And being a sport when it comes to competition.
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#5573910 Posted on: 08/15/2018 06:09 AM
If Huang had as many fingers as there are games which benefit from those technologies now, he would be fingerless.
But it is nice that nVidia for once has HW implementation to support some standard at time standard is outed. Historically, it were other companies who invested time and transistors towards new technologies and nVidia halting industry development by not investing.
ATi constantly delivered better IQ and higher DX HW implementation sooner. One of those striking moments were times of GF4 Titanium. Powerful cards from nVidia, comparable IQ to ATi... as long as game was only DX8.0, because ATI already had DX 8.1 and there were some games. And that was not worst thing, nVidia released tons of DX7 only cards in GF4 line. That held game development back for at least 2 years as people would not just replace their new DX7 cards which performed reasonably well.
It's so difficult for me to know how much of this is legitimately actually amazing vs Huang just spewing superlatives and patting himself on the back. I'm not questioning if Turing will be a great architecture; I know it will be. But what I don't think it's as revolutionary as he makes it out to be, particularly when it comes to existing hardware (let alone, affordability).
If Huang had as many fingers as there are games which benefit from those technologies now, he would be fingerless.
But it is nice that nVidia for once has HW implementation to support some standard at time standard is outed. Historically, it were other companies who invested time and transistors towards new technologies and nVidia halting industry development by not investing.
isnt it the greatest? but hey atlest there amd cpu department is actual worth damn again I still think "ATI" care were better competitions back when they were ATI then again what do I know
ATi constantly delivered better IQ and higher DX HW implementation sooner. One of those striking moments were times of GF4 Titanium. Powerful cards from nVidia, comparable IQ to ATi... as long as game was only DX8.0, because ATI already had DX 8.1 and there were some games. And that was not worst thing, nVidia released tons of DX7 only cards in GF4 line. That held game development back for at least 2 years as people would not just replace their new DX7 cards which performed reasonably well.
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