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NVIDIA Ampere rumored to get four times more Ray-Tracing perf, no more GTX either
One of the problems that NVIDIA faces when RTX Turing was released, was it's rather poor RT supported performance. Albeit with some clever tricks much has improved, the perf hit is big and NVIDIA has been trying to compensate that hit with things like DLSS, (to gain performance).
According to a new rumors originating from PCGamer (who picked it up from Moores Law is Dead YT channel), with the arrival of the new generation of Ampere graphics this problem will be eliminated thanks to the fact that they will have four times more Ray-Tracing calculation computation capacity, significantly improving performance. According to that same rumor, the pending GeForce RTX 3060 series would have the same Ray-Tracing computing capacity as an RTX 2080 Ti, albeit that seems a bit far fetched.
A second rumor is that NVIDIA would be going all RTX on all their graphics cards starting with the 3000 series. Ampere will support Ray-Tracing throughout the product line from low to high range. This means that we could see an "RTX 3050" to play 1080p with Ray-Tracing activated at an affordable price, something that would further strengthen Nvidia's market share.
It will be interesting to see if these rumors are true or not, although there is still enough to know. While we learn about the first (pro-enterprise) Ampere product next week, GeForce RTX 3000 graphics should be released in a few months. Again, please always take rumors with a bit of caution and common sense.
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#5785857 Posted on: 05/06/2020 02:01 PM
nVidia will use some of their high margins to compensate for the increased product cost in order to be competitive to AMD.
nVidia will use some of their high margins to compensate for the increased product cost in order to be competitive to AMD.
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#5785867 Posted on: 05/06/2020 02:40 PM
because:
1) on same PP the price of the chip depends on the size the chip itself, so ampere will be bigger -> price will be higher
2) we saw that price escalation with turing (gtx1060 200$ rtx2060 350$ or 1080ti 700$ 2080ti 1000$)
3) no serious competition by AMD in enthusiast market
4) nvidia is nvidia
I dont know why people are automatically assuming there will be drastic price increases. Remember Nvidia is not selling heroin where people need to get their fix from the only dealer in existence
because:
1) on same PP the price of the chip depends on the size the chip itself, so ampere will be bigger -> price will be higher
2) we saw that price escalation with turing (gtx1060 200$ rtx2060 350$ or 1080ti 700$ 2080ti 1000$)
3) no serious competition by AMD in enthusiast market
4) nvidia is nvidia
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#5785872 Posted on: 05/06/2020 02:50 PM
for what do i need this if there are no games supporting it? and the only games supporting it are useless and sponsored by nivida what means more money spend on nothing, what also means more cost to the product. i still think its a big scam and absolutly usless for gamers. but nvidia is well know for this, remember the 16b vs 32b scam to discredit 3dfx ? for cartoon movie makers its a differnt story. they just need a reason to sell their overpriced cards and call it enthusiast, what a joke.
for what do i need this if there are no games supporting it? and the only games supporting it are useless and sponsored by nivida what means more money spend on nothing, what also means more cost to the product. i still think its a big scam and absolutly usless for gamers. but nvidia is well know for this, remember the 16b vs 32b scam to discredit 3dfx ? for cartoon movie makers its a differnt story. they just need a reason to sell their overpriced cards and call it enthusiast, what a joke.
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#5785873 Posted on: 05/06/2020 02:50 PM
Well, I'll say again.
Not long ago I saw some news saying next gen will bw at least 100$ cheaper and somewhat more in line with 1000 series.
All higher end will see a price cut, except xx60 series.
That said I doubt 3080ti will be more then 1000$.
Well, I'll say again.
Not long ago I saw some news saying next gen will bw at least 100$ cheaper and somewhat more in line with 1000 series.
All higher end will see a price cut, except xx60 series.
That said I doubt 3080ti will be more then 1000$.
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Latest Cryengine has achived ray tracing without any tensor cores or RTX cards for that matter, not only looking better than RTX but also with astonishing performance.
There is a demo available online, anyone can see it.
RTX is just another market grab, aka exclusive to Nvidia" like the useless physx....now defunct.
I only bought my card for the sheer performance gain over my old 1080 TI, never bother ed with RTX side of it, and it only cost me 500 bucks on top of my old card, no brainer.
No it didn't, this entire post is inaccurate.
It achieved raytraced reflections at half resolution, single bounce, with a really short falloff, the RT reflections were only some of the scene and the developers said they could accelerate the entire thing on Nvidia's RTX and plan on doing so:
https://www.cryengine.com/news/view/how-we-made-neon-noir-ray-traced-reflections-in-cryengine-and-more
However, RTX will allow the effects to run at a higher resolution. At the moment on GTX 1080, we usually compute reflections and refractions at half-screen resolution. RTX will probably allow full-screen 4k resolution. It will also help us to have more dynamic elements in the scene, whereas currently, we have some limitations. Broadly speaking, RTX will not allow new features in CRYENGINE, but it will enable better performance and more details.
Video where they point out all the limitations with Cryengine implementation.
Also raytracing is not exclusive to Nvidia, RTX is simply an acceleration pipeline for DXR, RDNA 2 has it and will be compatible with all RTX games and vice versa.