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NVIDIA Allegedly Moving Ampere to 7nm TSMC in 2021
One thing is clear, Samsung can't produce the Ampere-based GPUs quick enough or in enough volume so, from the looks of things, NVIDIA will be moving a large chunk of wafer fabrication to TSMC.
The news reached the web today though DigiTimes. And if true that means that NVIDIA likely will slip towards 7nm wafer die production, as expected for a long time in the first place. What also is possible it that the 'update' product like an RTX 3080 with 20GB or other products like the RTX 3050/3060 in the lineup that has not been released just yet move to that TSMC 7nm node.
DigiTimes states Nvidia has already booked high volume production capacity on TSMC’s 7 nm nodes for 2021. TSMC recently lowered the prices on the 7nm wafers and also mentions the choice is made to spread risk that is yield related.
-- Digitimes (online translated) --
It has also been reported that NVIDIA’s previous annual masterpiece RTX 30 series uses Samsung Electronics’ 8nm process at a considerable OEM discount, but will switch to TSMC’s 7nm process in 2021. The order volume is not less. The reason for NVIDIA's transfer of orders is that TSMC's 7nm offer is relatively close to the people, and the other is that it has previously planned to diversify risks to deal with Samsung's 8nm yield problem. The NVIDIA 7nm large order is also one of TSMC's important customers to maintain high-end 7nm capacity utilization in 2021.
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#5842299 Posted on: 10/13/2020 05:45 PM
should we expect nvidia to jack the prices up some more cause there gona use 7nm?
should we expect nvidia to jack the prices up some more cause there gona use 7nm?
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#5842304 Posted on: 10/13/2020 05:55 PM
Hmm this could be a wise move by Nviida considering on how bad the Samsung wafers are.
The ultimate dick-swing. My GPU uses 1nm smaller fab than yours! Nananana.
You have no idea what you are talking about. There is a big difference between TSMC's 7nm nodes and Samsung's 8nm.
lol i was just thinking this past few weeks, how AMD is using all Samsung 8nm for every chip they produce (Consoles, CPU's, GPU's APU's) and how its strange that Ampere is also using the same and how freacking similar the OC potential between AMD CPU's / GPU's and Ampere it is now. Like pretty much crap OC potential. So i was also thinking, man, Samsung just hit the jackpot with these orders...or they are in deep crap cause they cannot keep up with nvidia orders thus the stock issues.
And what do you know, TSMC here they come.
You know what else is frack'd up? bet you a 3080 that the 7nm TSMC versions will OC much better then the Samsung 8nm ones?...talked about that for customer care.. You are 100% wrong. AMD has been using TSMC's 7nm nodes for sometime now.
should we expect nvidia to jack the prices up some more cause there gona use 7nm?
I wouldn't think so because Nvidia more or less set the prices as we saw them. If they were to jack up the prices since switching nodes would only alienate customers even more than they already are.
Hmm this could be a wise move by Nviida considering on how bad the Samsung wafers are.
The ultimate dick-swing. My GPU uses 1nm smaller fab than yours! Nananana.
You have no idea what you are talking about. There is a big difference between TSMC's 7nm nodes and Samsung's 8nm.
lol i was just thinking this past few weeks, how AMD is using all Samsung 8nm for every chip they produce (Consoles, CPU's, GPU's APU's) and how its strange that Ampere is also using the same and how freacking similar the OC potential between AMD CPU's / GPU's and Ampere it is now. Like pretty much crap OC potential. So i was also thinking, man, Samsung just hit the jackpot with these orders...or they are in deep crap cause they cannot keep up with nvidia orders thus the stock issues.
And what do you know, TSMC here they come.
You know what else is frack'd up? bet you a 3080 that the 7nm TSMC versions will OC much better then the Samsung 8nm ones?...talked about that for customer care.. You are 100% wrong. AMD has been using TSMC's 7nm nodes for sometime now.
should we expect nvidia to jack the prices up some more cause there gona use 7nm?
I wouldn't think so because Nvidia more or less set the prices as we saw them. If they were to jack up the prices since switching nodes would only alienate customers even more than they already are.
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#5842309 Posted on: 10/13/2020 06:21 PM
not even billion dollar companies have the long term thinking to try and push the smaller guy before it ends tied to a monopoly and losing many times over what it gained from going with the big guy when it had a reason to compete
hopefully samsung has bixby levels of perseverance on this venture, otherwise when china takes over taiwan we might go through silicon dark ages on the west
not even billion dollar companies have the long term thinking to try and push the smaller guy before it ends tied to a monopoly and losing many times over what it gained from going with the big guy when it had a reason to compete
hopefully samsung has bixby levels of perseverance on this venture, otherwise when china takes over taiwan we might go through silicon dark ages on the west
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#5842311 Posted on: 10/13/2020 06:21 PM
I kinda don't want a 3080 now even if it was in stock.
I kinda don't want a 3080 now even if it was in stock.
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lol i was just thinking this past few weeks, how AMD is using all Samsung 8nm for every chip they produce (Consoles, CPU's, GPU's APU's) and how its strange that Ampere is also using the same and how freacking similar the OC potential between AMD CPU's / GPU's and Ampere it is now. Like pretty much crap OC potential. So i was also thinking, man, Samsung just hit the jackpot with these orders...or they are in deep crap cause they cannot keep up with nvidia orders thus the stock issues.
And what do you know, TSMC here they come.
You know what else is frack'd up? bet you a 3080 that the 7nm TSMC versions will OC much better then the Samsung 8nm ones?...talked about that for customer care..
AMD has been using TSMC 7nm for a while now