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NSA can follow nearly everything you do online in real-time
In a report on VentureBeat Edward Snowden's latest relevations uncover that the NSA can basically see nearly everything you do online. This is getting a PR nightmare for the USA. According to the whistleblower, the XKeyscore program enables the NSA to wiretap anyone, almost instantly. They can also see your real-time Internet activity, read your e-mail, monitor your Facebook, and get your IP address by searching for visitors to any specified site.
According to the latest revelations from NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden, the NSA can:
- wiretap anyone, almost instantly, as long as it has their email address
- see your real-time Internet activity
- read anyone’s email
- monitor Facebook chats
- see “nearly everything” you do online
- get your IP address by searching for visitors to any specified site
The NSA program that does this is called XKeyscore, and it’s a massive big data collection, warehousing, and analysis program that, if we can believe what Snowden is saying, basically lays bare your entire digital self. Essentially, we’re Frodo and Sam, and the NSA is the Eye of Sauron — but more effective, more powerful.
The question is whether or not we can believe him. Those are big, big accusations.
The evidence that Snowden provided to The Guardian is compelling: vast quantities of screenshots that show training materials and actual applications that the NSA has built to enable armchair James Bonds, AKA intelligence analysts, to sort and sift through a vast database of 850 billion events and 150 billion Internet records, with 20+ terabytes being added daily:
Essentially, it’s armchair surveillance via WYSIWYG drag-and-drop menus. If we can believe what we’re hearing.
That “if” is rather crucial.
There are only two ways the NSA could amass such huge amounts of unencrypted data: by intercepting everything at the ISP level and decrypting in almost-real time any HTTPS or otherwise encrypted transmissions, or by having backdoors in dozens if not thousands of companies’ systems to access data on a regular and continuous basis.
Companies like Google have completely and categorically denied those allegations, saying that “There is no free-for-all, no direct access, no indirect access, no back door, no drop box.”
In a statement to the Guardian, the NSA denied that XKeyscore was accessible to all analysts and said that it was a “lawful foreign signals intelligence collection system,” but did not deny any of the capabilities Snowden claims it has. And the NSA, which has said that 300 terrorists were captured via XKeyscore as of 2008, defended the value of the program.
More on venturebeat (click source).
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#4629741 Posted on: 08/01/2013 01:30 PM
OK, let's get one thing straight, you are all completely off-base here.
1)-
The internet is no different than a public street, anyone can go there and say anything they want and nearly do anything they want. But why would you have any expectation to privacy on the internet that you wouldn't have on a public street?
When you post something on the internet, you are basically throwing a leaflet into the street for anyone to read. Didn't want everyone to know what was written? Then you shouldn't have wrote it.
You are not being "spied upon" anymore than if you were walking down a public street and somebody heard what you were yelling. If you walk down the public street naked and someone saw you, is he "spying on you"?
You want privacy? Stay off the internet.
2)-
You know nothing. I have first hand experience of just such info being used to prevent a terrorist attack mere hours before it was to be carried out.
The terrorists very much so use PC's and phones to do almost all of their organizational work and planning. How else do you expect them to communicate and filter through thousands of videos, pictures and powerpoints? Use carrier pigeons?
This sh!t saves lives, how many Islamic terrorist attacks has the U.S. suffered since 9/11? Perhaps 2. Here is a small glimpse into some of the attacks that have been thwarted since 9/11:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foiled_Islamic_terrorist_plots_in_the_post-9/11_United_States
And that is in the U.S., in Israel the numbers are in the thousands to tens of thousands. I've personally had the privilege of partaking in some of the operations to prevent these attacks; many of which you never heard of or will ever hear of.
3)-
First, you're nuts. Second, you're nuts.
This is the biggest problem. There is a legitimate concern regarding these data collections, but these legitimate concerns are often overrun by nutcases who create insane conspiracy theories which completely blow any sense out the window and prevent the real issues from being addressed.
OK, let's get one thing straight, you are all completely off-base here.
1)-
There is no difference anymore between walking naked in your own house with no blinds on your windows and all your neigbhoors staring at you, and the NSA keeping track live of ALL your internet activity.
The internet is no different than a public street, anyone can go there and say anything they want and nearly do anything they want. But why would you have any expectation to privacy on the internet that you wouldn't have on a public street?
When you post something on the internet, you are basically throwing a leaflet into the street for anyone to read. Didn't want everyone to know what was written? Then you shouldn't have wrote it.
You are not being "spied upon" anymore than if you were walking down a public street and somebody heard what you were yelling. If you walk down the public street naked and someone saw you, is he "spying on you"?
You want privacy? Stay off the internet.
2)-
This is NOT to protect your family. Don't be so naive. This is to collect evidence AGAINST you. This has been in place since the 90's. So what have they down to protect against all the stuff that happened since then? They say this is used to track terrorists, well I can bet that any terrorist would not even use a PC or phone to plan anything.
You know nothing. I have first hand experience of just such info being used to prevent a terrorist attack mere hours before it was to be carried out.
The terrorists very much so use PC's and phones to do almost all of their organizational work and planning. How else do you expect them to communicate and filter through thousands of videos, pictures and powerpoints? Use carrier pigeons?
This sh!t saves lives, how many Islamic terrorist attacks has the U.S. suffered since 9/11? Perhaps 2. Here is a small glimpse into some of the attacks that have been thwarted since 9/11:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foiled_Islamic_terrorist_plots_in_the_post-9/11_United_States
And that is in the U.S., in Israel the numbers are in the thousands to tens of thousands. I've personally had the privilege of partaking in some of the operations to prevent these attacks; many of which you never heard of or will ever hear of.
3)-
that's exactly the wrong mentality that is making us give up our freedom and privacy, and I hear that same line everyday "i got nothing to hide" or "its for our security" blablabalbla this is blatant violation of privacy, Period. The XKeyscore NSA's software can track every move you make, every website you visit, they have your passwords, banking accounts or statements stored somewhere, your nice pics of you and your kids and beloved family probably stored and being looked at right now... and that's Ok right? nothing creepy doesn't bother you a tad?
Oh and all our governments do not care about your security and protection, bcse theyre corrupted and only care about $$$ and oil. Thats the only thing on the menu right now for them, and the last 2 years have proven so with the Canadian/US XLkeystone pipeline being built regardless of all the complaints and environmental complaints, war in libya, soon iran, previously iraq. They will kill us and take everything from us for oil and to go with their agenda worldwide.
Oh and all our governments do not care about your security and protection, bcse theyre corrupted and only care about $$$ and oil. Thats the only thing on the menu right now for them, and the last 2 years have proven so with the Canadian/US XLkeystone pipeline being built regardless of all the complaints and environmental complaints, war in libya, soon iran, previously iraq. They will kill us and take everything from us for oil and to go with their agenda worldwide.
First, you're nuts. Second, you're nuts.
This is the biggest problem. There is a legitimate concern regarding these data collections, but these legitimate concerns are often overrun by nutcases who create insane conspiracy theories which completely blow any sense out the window and prevent the real issues from being addressed.
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#4629743 Posted on: 08/01/2013 01:38 PM
The internet is no different than a public street, anyone can go there and say anything they want and nearly do anything they want.
You are wrong there. you cant say anything you want. if i start saying im going to do a terrorist attack on twitter or a forum, or go to a school to settle a score with someone, pretty sure the police will be visiting very soon. The internet is constantly being monitored for that over here.
maybe in your country laws are pretty loose when it comes to that, but things can be quite different in other countries.
The internet is no different than a public street, anyone can go there and say anything they want and nearly do anything they want.
You are wrong there. you cant say anything you want. if i start saying im going to do a terrorist attack on twitter or a forum, or go to a school to settle a score with someone, pretty sure the police will be visiting very soon. The internet is constantly being monitored for that over here.
maybe in your country laws are pretty loose when it comes to that, but things can be quite different in other countries.
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#4629746 Posted on: 08/01/2013 01:42 PM
You are wrong there. you cant say anything you want. if i start saying im going to do a terrorist attack on twitter or a forum, or go to a school to settle a score with someone, pretty sure the police will be visiting very soon. The internet is constantly being monitored for that over here.
maybe in your country laws are pretty loose when it comes to that, but things can be quite different in other countries.
If you yell on a public street that you have a bomb, would the response be any different? It's the same reason why you can't just yell "fire" in a crowded theater and get away with it.
You are wrong there. you cant say anything you want. if i start saying im going to do a terrorist attack on twitter or a forum, or go to a school to settle a score with someone, pretty sure the police will be visiting very soon. The internet is constantly being monitored for that over here.
maybe in your country laws are pretty loose when it comes to that, but things can be quite different in other countries.
If you yell on a public street that you have a bomb, would the response be any different? It's the same reason why you can't just yell "fire" in a crowded theater and get away with it.
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#4629749 Posted on: 08/01/2013 01:53 PM
Yes it would be very different. With the internet things are logged for a year. if i shout outside no one will know in 5 mins.
If you yell on a public street that you have a bomb, would the response be any different? It's the same reason why you can't just yell "fire" in a crowded theater and get away with it.
Yes it would be very different. With the internet things are logged for a year. if i shout outside no one will know in 5 mins.
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that's exactly the wrong mentality that is making us give up our freedom and privacy, and I hear that same line everyday "i got nothing to hide" or "its for our security" blablabalbla this is blatant violation of privacy, Period. The XKeyscore NSA's software can track every move you make, every website you visit, they have your passwords, banking accounts or statements stored somewhere, your nice pics of you and your kids and beloved family probably stored and being looked at right now... and that's Ok right? nothing creepy doesn't bother you a tad?
Oh and all our governments do not care about your security and protection, bcse theyre corrupted and only care about $$$ and oil. Thats the only thing on the menu right now for them, and the last 2 years have proven so with the Canadian/US XLkeystone pipeline being built regardless of all the complaints and environmental complaints, war in libya, soon iran, previously iraq. They will kill us and take everything from us for oil and to go with their agenda worldwide.
For the sake of it they can go to your facebook post something under your name e.g. making you look like a religious extremist (although ur not) and then boom next thing u know ur on TV for some attack u never made. That can happen, they can make you say stuff on twitter or fb u never said with the XKeyscore .
There is no difference anymore between walking naked in your own house with no blinds on your windows and all your neigbhoors staring at you, and the NSA keeping track live of ALL your internet activity.
First off im getting rid of anything google owned, its a bit hard but im closing my gmail address, and youtube etc.etc FB already closed (although my info will be still out there for a longtime), thinking of getting a VPN subscription permanently for my PCs etc. Also we can start encrypting our HDDs with Bitlocker, but Microsoft i read few days ago gave the decryption key to the NSA .. hence forfeiting all the privacy of billions worldwide