NSA can follow nearly everything you do online in real-time

#4630821 Posted on: 08/02/2013 10:24 PM

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And neither would anyone know if you took down the post.

The logging is no different than someone standing in the street holding up a video camera, which is perfectly legal .

Depends on the state.
Some states require consent from people being recorded - even in public property.
It goes to 'wiretap' laws, where there is 'an expectation of not being recorded' (regardless of where it's happening), so to record, you have to inform the recorded subject and have their consent.

Usually (well, pretty much *only*), these laws are enforced when you record a police officer and they don't like it.


2)- Religious extremism? Ideological extremism? There is no rational justification for attacks directed specifically against innocent civilians.


Technically, that's propaganda.
Our government and media have a 'play dumb to the public and cheer-lead' policy.

Actual studies on the subject demonstrate that people are upset about U.S. policy being at odds with their own ambitions.
Like when the U.S. supports a dictator, and the people want to get rid of that dictator, but due to the U.S. support they don't have the power to force any change.
That puts them at odds with the U.S..
We have a very long history of buying and directing the policies of middle east nations, to our benefit, to their leadership's benefit, and to their people's loss.

They don't "hate our freedom". They're too busy with their own lives to give a crap about something that ethereal.

That said ... I've witnessed an Israeli vs Arab argument online (voice chat in ZDaemon), and it was jaw dropping.
The Israeli didn't give a crap about killing thousands of Arabs. Any threat allows you to kill as many as you want.
The Arab blamed everything on Jews and anyone that did anything to Arabs was a Jew (even if it was obviously another Arab).
I didn't know who was worse... the sociopath or the racist.

So yeah, I do think that the people that are actually willing to go through with any actions will be the more radical.
But we shouldn't neglect how we've motivated them in becoming more radical.

-scheherazade

#4630837 Posted on: 08/02/2013 11:06 PM

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time to find the most f***ed up porn I can find.

In other news I was told to change my Guru password because it was 2,792 days old hahaha.

#4630856 Posted on: 08/02/2013 11:30 PM

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_Everyone_ is a criminal.
I mean that literally. _Everyone_.
You only have to look closely to see what kind of criminal.

Reminds me of this I had found at random the other day:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/600550-444733515622296-767936167-n.jpg

From this:
http://www.thedailysheeple.com/feds-visit-family-who-googled-backpacks-pressure-cookers-but-the-nsa-isnt-watching-you_082013

A lot of what you're talking about are:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victimless-crime

#4630957 Posted on: 08/03/2013 02:18 AM

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I searched the Suffolk County Press releases and do not see that. So for now I will believe the Yahoo News story over Tech Crunch.

http://apps.suffolkcountyny.gov/police/morepress.htm

I would trust nearly anyone over Yahoo news.

Here's some more sources

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/08/02/michele_catalano_home_visit_after_googling_backpacks_and_pressure_cookers/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/02/michele-catalano-husband-_n_3695139.html

#4631979 Posted on: 08/04/2013 11:15 PM

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You are wrong there. you cant say anything you want. if i start saying im going to do a terrorist attack on twitter or a forum, or go to a school to settle a score with someone, pretty sure the police will be visiting very soon. The internet is constantly being monitored for that over here.
maybe in your country laws are pretty loose when it comes to that, but things can be quite different in other countries.

Way to miss the point! What he's saying is that there is no more expected right to privacy on the internet than there is walking down the street. The internet is just as public as the street.

If you yell on a public street that you have a bomb, would the response be any different? It's the same reason why you can't just yell "fire" in a crowded theater and get away with it.

The reason you can't yell fire in a public building (when their is no fire) has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion. That is a discussion refering to freedom of speech, not any right to privacy issues.




On topic: I don't agree that the everything on the internet is as public as walking down the street. My posts here are public for all to see. My emails should be granted the same privacy as the US postal service, though. Cell phone calls should be granted the same privacy rights as landlines are. All of these things should require a warrant before they can be used against you in a court of law.

There are exceptions to illegal search and seizure laws though where public safety is concerned. For example, you don't need to grant someone access to a lawyer before questioning if you have reason to believe that the person could have time sensitive information that would effect public safety. Example, He knows where a bomb threat is. You don't need to wait for his lawyer to arrive before you ask him where the bomb is. If he tells you and you go there and disarm it, the information he gave you to find it is perfectly admissible as evidence against him.

This is a war. Not a typical war, but intelligence on your enemy needs to be gathered. What the NSA is doing is necessary today. What we need to worry about is that we don't permanently surrender freedom so that in the future, when it might not be necessary to gather this information for the public's safety, we can remove this and restore our pre 9/11 freedoms. Allowing that to happen by itself would be a victory for the terrorists.

re: Snowden, He's a traitor. He's right where he belongs bouncing between countries where he'll never know the freedoms he had ever again. I hope he likes China and Russia and spends the rest of his life there. He doesn't deserve to live in the US.