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NSA can follow nearly everything you do online in real-time
In a report on VentureBeat Edward Snowden's latest relevations uncover that the NSA can basically see nearly everything you do online. This is getting a PR nightmare for the USA. According to the whistleblower, the XKeyscore program enables the NSA to wiretap anyone, almost instantly. They can also see your real-time Internet activity, read your e-mail, monitor your Facebook, and get your IP address by searching for visitors to any specified site.
According to the latest revelations from NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden, the NSA can:
- wiretap anyone, almost instantly, as long as it has their email address
- see your real-time Internet activity
- read anyone’s email
- monitor Facebook chats
- see “nearly everything” you do online
- get your IP address by searching for visitors to any specified site
The NSA program that does this is called XKeyscore, and it’s a massive big data collection, warehousing, and analysis program that, if we can believe what Snowden is saying, basically lays bare your entire digital self. Essentially, we’re Frodo and Sam, and the NSA is the Eye of Sauron — but more effective, more powerful.
The question is whether or not we can believe him. Those are big, big accusations.
The evidence that Snowden provided to The Guardian is compelling: vast quantities of screenshots that show training materials and actual applications that the NSA has built to enable armchair James Bonds, AKA intelligence analysts, to sort and sift through a vast database of 850 billion events and 150 billion Internet records, with 20+ terabytes being added daily:
Essentially, it’s armchair surveillance via WYSIWYG drag-and-drop menus. If we can believe what we’re hearing.
That “if” is rather crucial.
There are only two ways the NSA could amass such huge amounts of unencrypted data: by intercepting everything at the ISP level and decrypting in almost-real time any HTTPS or otherwise encrypted transmissions, or by having backdoors in dozens if not thousands of companies’ systems to access data on a regular and continuous basis.
Companies like Google have completely and categorically denied those allegations, saying that “There is no free-for-all, no direct access, no indirect access, no back door, no drop box.”
In a statement to the Guardian, the NSA denied that XKeyscore was accessible to all analysts and said that it was a “lawful foreign signals intelligence collection system,” but did not deny any of the capabilities Snowden claims it has. And the NSA, which has said that 300 terrorists were captured via XKeyscore as of 2008, defended the value of the program.
More on venturebeat (click source).
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#4630593 Posted on: 08/02/2013 02:48 PM
2)- Religious extremism? Ideological extremism? There is no rational justification for attacks directed specifically against innocent civilians.
3)- So show me one government that has as part of its mandate to rid the world of diseases. The U.S. already goes beyond most countries in this regard with the CDC.
4)- That's not what I meant by system.
5)- Only in a pure vacuum with no medium. Even light slows down in water.
Here's a good read:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.chem/boz5dFTmTrU
6)- That has to do with the viability for finding a cure in the first place. But something that they believe can be cured, they will invest billions to tens of billions of dollars creating.
7)- I had no 7...
2 - Then look for the irrational, if the rational eludes you. Any attack is always justifiable, you just have to understand the rational or irrational prevailing logic. Hiroshima springs immediately to mind, plenty of innocent victims there, even today. How many died again? 100,000? And they were innocent victims, man woman and child, every one. My point is you can use rationalism to justify killing/murdering people, because it's been done. So...ask yourself why in the broader sense, because the reasons why some countries are targeted for attack and others are not is worth more exploration than it is being given.
3 - This is my belief, partly because I was raised to not fight people, but to resolve differences through open debate because...frankly, we sleep under the same stars. So what you can guess I'm saying here is time and money spent on war is poor financing and time management skills at work. Time and money spent on healing/helping people is not, regardless of who they are.
4 - o-k.
5 - I'm aware of this, but my use of the phrase is accurate enough in the context of the argument.
6 - If it cost $1 to find a cure to something, and you would make $2 selling the cure - that's considered a good investment. Spending $100 billion finding a cure to something which will yield $100 million to totally eradicate the illness, is not. Spending $100 billion finding a way to alleviate an illness, but not cure it - making the patient permanently dependent on those developed drugs - is awesome financing, for the rest of time.
7 - I added, it was my rebuttal.
2)- Religious extremism? Ideological extremism? There is no rational justification for attacks directed specifically against innocent civilians.
3)- So show me one government that has as part of its mandate to rid the world of diseases. The U.S. already goes beyond most countries in this regard with the CDC.
4)- That's not what I meant by system.
5)- Only in a pure vacuum with no medium. Even light slows down in water.
Here's a good read:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.chem/boz5dFTmTrU
6)- That has to do with the viability for finding a cure in the first place. But something that they believe can be cured, they will invest billions to tens of billions of dollars creating.
7)- I had no 7...
2 - Then look for the irrational, if the rational eludes you. Any attack is always justifiable, you just have to understand the rational or irrational prevailing logic. Hiroshima springs immediately to mind, plenty of innocent victims there, even today. How many died again? 100,000? And they were innocent victims, man woman and child, every one. My point is you can use rationalism to justify killing/murdering people, because it's been done. So...ask yourself why in the broader sense, because the reasons why some countries are targeted for attack and others are not is worth more exploration than it is being given.
3 - This is my belief, partly because I was raised to not fight people, but to resolve differences through open debate because...frankly, we sleep under the same stars. So what you can guess I'm saying here is time and money spent on war is poor financing and time management skills at work. Time and money spent on healing/helping people is not, regardless of who they are.
4 - o-k.
5 - I'm aware of this, but my use of the phrase is accurate enough in the context of the argument.
6 - If it cost $1 to find a cure to something, and you would make $2 selling the cure - that's considered a good investment. Spending $100 billion finding a cure to something which will yield $100 million to totally eradicate the illness, is not. Spending $100 billion finding a way to alleviate an illness, but not cure it - making the patient permanently dependent on those developed drugs - is awesome financing, for the rest of time.
7 - I added, it was my rebuttal.
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#4630599 Posted on: 08/02/2013 02:56 PM
And now for the real story
http://techcrunch.com/2013/08/01/employer-tipped-off-police-in-pressure-cookerbackpack-gate-not-google/I searched the Suffolk County Press releases and do not see that. So for now I will believe the Yahoo News story over Tech Crunch.
http://apps.suffolkcountyny.gov/police/morepress.htm
And now for the real story
http://techcrunch.com/2013/08/01/employer-tipped-off-police-in-pressure-cookerbackpack-gate-not-google/I searched the Suffolk County Press releases and do not see that. So for now I will believe the Yahoo News story over Tech Crunch.
http://apps.suffolkcountyny.gov/police/morepress.htm
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#4630772 Posted on: 08/02/2013 08:33 PM
So what happens to all of my sexting messages I sent to my exs? Those dweebs at NSA are gonna have a field day!
So what happens to all of my sexting messages I sent to my exs? Those dweebs at NSA are gonna have a field day!
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#4630814 Posted on: 08/02/2013 10:11 PM
Who is this mythical 'decent person' you're referring to?
- If you take a piss outside, you're a sex offender. Doesn't matter if no one sees your junk, you exposed yourself in public.
- If your car drops oil, you violate the federal water pollution control act. Doesn't matter if it's intentional.
- If you collect rain in a bucket, you're violating county water rights. Doesn't matter if there is any criminal intent.
- If you change lanes without blinking, that's reckless driving. In many states, that makes you a felon, and you're unfit to own a gun or to vote.
(I personally know 2 people that had to fight to stay off sex offender lists for taking a piss 'in public' (even though both did nothing unusual. Just the usual 'walk behind an obstacle and do your thing').
Show me a guy on this earth that hasn't taken a piss in public.)
_Everyone_ is a criminal.
I mean that literally. _Everyone_.
You only have to look closely to see what kind of criminal.
Most people don't get targeted.
Some unfortunate people get royally screwed for what a typical person would call 'nothing' - while no one even pays notice.
No one notices screwy laws because these laws aren't consistently enforced.
If the government got on everyone's asses and charged everyone exhaustively, there would be an upheaval.
But the government paces itself, only grabbing a person here and a person there, selectively.
They mainly charge two kinds of people.
A) Whoever annoys someone in authority.
B) Whoever is available whenever they need to generate documentation showing how much work they do so as to excuse the existence of their job.
Think of it this way.
It's government prosecution's 9-5 job to push people through the system.
(I use "prosecutor" generally, as the entire prosecution wing of the government. Not just the individual in court.)
The individuals doing the work personally don't care if you do random obscure offenses.
The individuals doing the work personally won't even agree with many of the offenses even existing.
But the individuals doing the work are paid to go through the process.
The individuals doing the work need to generate paperwork to show why they have a job.
The individuals doing the work can't afford to ignore things that come across their desk just in case something falls through the cracks and an audit tries to point the finger personally at them.
It's a system where you have a process, you follow it, and you get paid.
The individuals doing the work have nothing else to do. It's their job.
The prosecution spends public money, so it's free to the prosecutor.
Whether it costs the defendant money, just doesn't matter to the prosecution.
To the government employees doing this as their 9-5, it's one giant 'debate team' exercise ... only the defendant's future is on the line.
The government employees don't care. You're a stranger, and this is their pay check.
But that's just why the system sucks.
The real 'concern' is what the system makes possible.
Legally possible. With no possibility for finding abuse.
If you collect information about people, and you make a list of laws they've broken, you can always charge anyone with criminal conduct and put them away.
Imagine how easy it is to get rid of 'Occupy' protesters, if you can just arrest and charge each of them for an array of obscure offenses.
And it's not even "abuse of power", because the laws really do exist, and they really did break them.
You, and everyone in your family, could at any time be charged with an array of offenses (that you _are_definitively_ guilty of) that would put you all away for longer than it matters.
Even if you choose to fight it in court, the government has infinite money and time. You don't.
They can ruin you financially without ever getting a conviction, just by dragging it out.
The government only needs to want to do it.
-scheherazade
It doesn't really bother me tbh, if your a decent person and doing the right thing I cant see how this is problem, as long as they catch scum before they kill people I'm ok with it.
Who is this mythical 'decent person' you're referring to?
- If you take a piss outside, you're a sex offender. Doesn't matter if no one sees your junk, you exposed yourself in public.
- If your car drops oil, you violate the federal water pollution control act. Doesn't matter if it's intentional.
- If you collect rain in a bucket, you're violating county water rights. Doesn't matter if there is any criminal intent.
- If you change lanes without blinking, that's reckless driving. In many states, that makes you a felon, and you're unfit to own a gun or to vote.
(I personally know 2 people that had to fight to stay off sex offender lists for taking a piss 'in public' (even though both did nothing unusual. Just the usual 'walk behind an obstacle and do your thing').
Show me a guy on this earth that hasn't taken a piss in public.)
_Everyone_ is a criminal.
I mean that literally. _Everyone_.
You only have to look closely to see what kind of criminal.
Most people don't get targeted.
Some unfortunate people get royally screwed for what a typical person would call 'nothing' - while no one even pays notice.
No one notices screwy laws because these laws aren't consistently enforced.
If the government got on everyone's asses and charged everyone exhaustively, there would be an upheaval.
But the government paces itself, only grabbing a person here and a person there, selectively.
They mainly charge two kinds of people.
A) Whoever annoys someone in authority.
B) Whoever is available whenever they need to generate documentation showing how much work they do so as to excuse the existence of their job.
Think of it this way.
It's government prosecution's 9-5 job to push people through the system.
(I use "prosecutor" generally, as the entire prosecution wing of the government. Not just the individual in court.)
The individuals doing the work personally don't care if you do random obscure offenses.
The individuals doing the work personally won't even agree with many of the offenses even existing.
But the individuals doing the work are paid to go through the process.
The individuals doing the work need to generate paperwork to show why they have a job.
The individuals doing the work can't afford to ignore things that come across their desk just in case something falls through the cracks and an audit tries to point the finger personally at them.
It's a system where you have a process, you follow it, and you get paid.
The individuals doing the work have nothing else to do. It's their job.
The prosecution spends public money, so it's free to the prosecutor.
Whether it costs the defendant money, just doesn't matter to the prosecution.
To the government employees doing this as their 9-5, it's one giant 'debate team' exercise ... only the defendant's future is on the line.
The government employees don't care. You're a stranger, and this is their pay check.
But that's just why the system sucks.
The real 'concern' is what the system makes possible.
Legally possible. With no possibility for finding abuse.
If you collect information about people, and you make a list of laws they've broken, you can always charge anyone with criminal conduct and put them away.
Imagine how easy it is to get rid of 'Occupy' protesters, if you can just arrest and charge each of them for an array of obscure offenses.
And it's not even "abuse of power", because the laws really do exist, and they really did break them.
You, and everyone in your family, could at any time be charged with an array of offenses (that you _are_definitively_ guilty of) that would put you all away for longer than it matters.
Even if you choose to fight it in court, the government has infinite money and time. You don't.
They can ruin you financially without ever getting a conviction, just by dragging it out.
The government only needs to want to do it.
-scheherazade
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And now for the real story
http://techcrunch.com/2013/08/01/employer-tipped-off-police-in-pressure-cookerbackpack-gate-not-google/