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New Signs of a GTX 1100 Series, GeForce GTX 1180 without RT cores?
It has been a rumor for a long time now, would NVIDIA be ballsy enough to release an 1100 series that have no Tensor and RT cores? Fact is they are missing out on a lot of sales, as the current pricing stack is just too much to swallow for many people.
Meanwhile, Andreas over at Hardwareluxx (German website) noticed an NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1180 has appeared in the online database of the GFXBench 4.0 . The device ID is already recognized and the hardware information also indicates in which area the GeForce GTX 1180 has a certain similarity to the Turing cards because this is called the "GeForce RTX 2080 / PCIe / SSE2".
The entry could be indicative of a complete product line of the GTX-11 series. When looking closer, the entry shown above indicates a GeForce GTX 1180 with similar specs towards the GeForce RTX 2080 with 2,944 shader units and a GeForce GTX 1160 accordingly a GeForce RTX 2060 with 1,920 shader units.
I still don't believe that an 1100 series is inbound for the simple reason it is too expensive to design two architectures, it just does not make much sense. But evidence and leaks are slowly prooving my ideas on this wrong.
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#5625037 Posted on: 01/09/2019 02:29 AM
i'll try not to pile on too much.
if Nvidia launched 11xx and 20xx at the same time i would have worn out my fingers writing about how clever they were.
instead i not only wrote about a premature launch with vaporware features, but also about how Turing was designed for a smaller node than what we have.
it's still technically brilliant, but so is the neighbors car. which you're not quite ready to buy one of the same.
i'll try not to pile on too much.
if Nvidia launched 11xx and 20xx at the same time i would have worn out my fingers writing about how clever they were.
instead i not only wrote about a premature launch with vaporware features, but also about how Turing was designed for a smaller node than what we have.
it's still technically brilliant, but so is the neighbors car. which you're not quite ready to buy one of the same.
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#5625038 Posted on: 01/09/2019 02:32 AM
so because a company doesn't sell their fastest consumer card for 5 bucks, they are greedy.
any of you driving a car: did you also whine to the car dealer that their 500HP sports version of "your car" is multiple times more expensive, and that almost no one will be able to drive it at/close to top speed in most markets?
i buy stuff with a certain budget in mind, and get the best performance i can get for that.
Doesn't mean im gonna be mad at the ppl that have the money, nor will i blame the companies for having products out of my price range.
and i actually prefer a 11xx naming instead of gtx20xx, especially for xx70 and up.
a lot easier to misread/overlook and grab a gtx (vs rtx) vs having different numbers (first two) to tell them apart.
so because a company doesn't sell their fastest consumer card for 5 bucks, they are greedy.
any of you driving a car: did you also whine to the car dealer that their 500HP sports version of "your car" is multiple times more expensive, and that almost no one will be able to drive it at/close to top speed in most markets?
i buy stuff with a certain budget in mind, and get the best performance i can get for that.
Doesn't mean im gonna be mad at the ppl that have the money, nor will i blame the companies for having products out of my price range.
and i actually prefer a 11xx naming instead of gtx20xx, especially for xx70 and up.
a lot easier to misread/overlook and grab a gtx (vs rtx) vs having different numbers (first two) to tell them apart.
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#5625039 Posted on: 01/09/2019 02:33 AM
I find the hate for RTX laughable. It's a good thing and it is ultimately the direction that rendering is going to go in the future. The problem is that it is currently too expensive and that nVidia - arguably - should not have primarily targeted the gaming community. However, I do think they should have released the cards and I'm glad they did. At some point the technology needs to be introduced to the market so why not now? Sure, the costs are prohibitive but there will always be a fortunate few who are able to enjoy these products and swallow the premium costs that they demand. I have absolutely no issue with that whatsoever. You know, I'd love to drive around in a brand new Ferrari but I can't afford it; but it doesn't mean others should not be able to enjoy those levels of performance, luxury and features.
I've been writing 3D graphics software professionally now for nearly 30 years and absolutely welcome this direction towards ray / path tracing and dedicated hardware to accelerate the process. There's still a way to go but this is just the first step. It can feasibly be argued that a ray tracing engine is actually easier to implement than a cutting-edge 3D rasterization-based engine as you don't have to develop novel solutions and workarounds to simulate light bouncing around an environment. Ray tracing (and forms thereof) provide a good chunk of the results of the rendering equation as-is. It's just such an incredibly computationally intensive process and that's why performance (i.e. real time at high fps) will take some time to arrive at the resolutions gamers expect these days.
Isn't it obvious? The haters are nothing but illogical jealous paupers.
Im too poor too afford Ferrari, im not hating it or consider it useless since you can drive to work on KIA Picanto.
The RTX haters are just illogical people that cant.
I find the hate for RTX laughable. It's a good thing and it is ultimately the direction that rendering is going to go in the future. The problem is that it is currently too expensive and that nVidia - arguably - should not have primarily targeted the gaming community. However, I do think they should have released the cards and I'm glad they did. At some point the technology needs to be introduced to the market so why not now? Sure, the costs are prohibitive but there will always be a fortunate few who are able to enjoy these products and swallow the premium costs that they demand. I have absolutely no issue with that whatsoever. You know, I'd love to drive around in a brand new Ferrari but I can't afford it; but it doesn't mean others should not be able to enjoy those levels of performance, luxury and features.
I've been writing 3D graphics software professionally now for nearly 30 years and absolutely welcome this direction towards ray / path tracing and dedicated hardware to accelerate the process. There's still a way to go but this is just the first step. It can feasibly be argued that a ray tracing engine is actually easier to implement than a cutting-edge 3D rasterization-based engine as you don't have to develop novel solutions and workarounds to simulate light bouncing around an environment. Ray tracing (and forms thereof) provide a good chunk of the results of the rendering equation as-is. It's just such an incredibly computationally intensive process and that's why performance (i.e. real time at high fps) will take some time to arrive at the resolutions gamers expect these days.
Isn't it obvious? The haters are nothing but illogical jealous paupers.
Im too poor too afford Ferrari, im not hating it or consider it useless since you can drive to work on KIA Picanto.
The RTX haters are just illogical people that cant.
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#5625040 Posted on: 01/09/2019 02:36 AM
i'll try not to pile on too much.
if Nvidia launched 11xx and 20xx at the same time i would have worn out my fingers writing about how clever they were.
instead i not only wrote about a premature launch with vaporware features, but also about how Turing was designed for a smaller node than what we have.
it's still technically brilliant, but so is the neighbors car. which you're not quite ready to buy one of the same.
How RTX is Vaporware? Its a chicken and Egg situation, you have to launch the product for the mainstream devs and indies to work on it and create content, thats how it works.
The devs are not part of Nvidia, they wouldn't work on unreleased product just so OTHER company could make monetary gains by releasing a video card with X amount of games available.
i'll try not to pile on too much.
if Nvidia launched 11xx and 20xx at the same time i would have worn out my fingers writing about how clever they were.
instead i not only wrote about a premature launch with vaporware features, but also about how Turing was designed for a smaller node than what we have.
it's still technically brilliant, but so is the neighbors car. which you're not quite ready to buy one of the same.
How RTX is Vaporware? Its a chicken and Egg situation, you have to launch the product for the mainstream devs and indies to work on it and create content, thats how it works.
The devs are not part of Nvidia, they wouldn't work on unreleased product just so OTHER company could make monetary gains by releasing a video card with X amount of games available.
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to many naming scheme to many diffrent setups, nvidia trying to confuse people?