Zotac Gaming GTX 1650 Super review
Radeon Adrenalin 2020 Edition Driver Overview
Guru3D Winter 2019 PC Buyer Guide
Corsair QL120 and QL140 RGB fan review
Promo: Windows 10 Pro for $13 With Office 2016 For $33
Corsair Void RGB Elite Wireless Headset review
Team Group PD400 Portable SSD review
AMD Athlon 3000G review
Team Group T-Force Delta Max 1 TB SSD review
Guru3D Rig of the Month - November 2019
New Basin Falls HEDT Intel Desktop Platform will arrive faster than expected
At least that claim is made by website benchlife who reports this based on a reliable source. Initially the new platform was expected in the first week of August, but now it has been moved towards the end of June.
The new high-end platform is called Basin Falls and entails the X299 chipset with both Skylake-X and Kaby Lake-X processors. These 14nm CPUs will see a new socket, LGA2066 and get 4-, 6,- 8,- and 10 core models.
Fyew-jit-tiv
Senior Member
Posts: 856
Joined: 2008-04-10
Senior Member
Posts: 856
Joined: 2008-04-10
#5418342 Posted on: 04/10/2017 07:58 AM
this is pants from intel. 4core only 16 lanes.... are you kidding me and still 14nm. So one introduces a pci based soundcard and then the 1080ti will only run @ x8. Is this intels way of forcing you to buy the more expensive CPU's? i bet they still wont be cheap. This is pants from intel. i have not looked at AMD for over 15yrs but now my head had turned at Ryzen and seriously thinking about AMD for next build.
this is pants from intel. 4core only 16 lanes.... are you kidding me and still 14nm. So one introduces a pci based soundcard and then the 1080ti will only run @ x8. Is this intels way of forcing you to buy the more expensive CPU's? i bet they still wont be cheap. This is pants from intel. i have not looked at AMD for over 15yrs but now my head had turned at Ryzen and seriously thinking about AMD for next build.
Agonist
Senior Member
Posts: 2753
Joined: 2008-10-13
Senior Member
Posts: 2753
Joined: 2008-10-13
#5418344 Posted on: 04/10/2017 08:10 AM
Even when AMD was a better option with better performance in 2002-2006 era before Core series launched?
this is pants from intel. 4core only 16 lanes.... are you kidding me and still 14nm. So one introduces a pci based soundcard and then the 1080ti will only run @ x8. Is this intels way of forcing you to buy the more expensive CPU's? i bet they still wont be cheap. This is pants from intel. i have not looked at AMD for over 15yrs but now my head had turned at Ryzen and seriously thinking about AMD for next build.
Even when AMD was a better option with better performance in 2002-2006 era before Core series launched?
user1
Senior Member
Posts: 1441
Joined: 2016-01-29
Senior Member
Posts: 1441
Joined: 2016-01-29
#5418351 Posted on: 04/10/2017 08:36 AM
Very interesting, if those slides are real, that would mean intel will be taking the pentium 4 approach with the kaby lake-x cpus, 112watt tdp is extremely high for a 4 core, wouldn't be suprised if its a >4.6ghz cpu. Seems like a product Inspired by fear.
Very interesting, if those slides are real, that would mean intel will be taking the pentium 4 approach with the kaby lake-x cpus, 112watt tdp is extremely high for a 4 core, wouldn't be suprised if its a >4.6ghz cpu. Seems like a product Inspired by fear.
Silva
Senior Member
Posts: 971
Joined: 2013-06-04
Senior Member
Posts: 971
Joined: 2013-06-04
#5418382 Posted on: 04/10/2017 10:45 AM
So is this an answer from Intel for Ryzen i assume? Fingers crossed for lower prices, and some actual PERFORMANCE improvements.
Perhaps finally a worthy upgrade.
Why, Ryzen isn't worthy for an upgrade?
Oh, right: you guys just want AMD to come up with stuff so Intel lowers their price...
this is pants from intel. 4core only 16 lanes.... are you kidding me and still 14nm. So one introduces a pci based soundcard and then the 1080ti will only run @ x8. Is this intels way of forcing you to buy the more expensive CPU's? i bet they still wont be cheap. This is pants from intel. i have not looked at AMD for over 15yrs but now my head had turned at Ryzen and seriously thinking about AMD for next build.
Same: until 10nm comes, Intel has nothing to offer that I'd be interested in. Ryzen all the way!
Very interesting, if those slides are real, that would mean intel will be taking the pentium 4 approach with the kaby lake-x cpus, 112watt tdp is extremely high for a 4 core, wouldn't be suprised if its a >4.6ghz cpu. Seems like a product Inspired by fear.
It's a product inspired by: software today takes advantage of clock speed so lets bump ours so we keep above Ryzen at gaming and charge more for the CPU's, fanboys will surely buy.
So is this an answer from Intel for Ryzen i assume? Fingers crossed for lower prices, and some actual PERFORMANCE improvements.
Perhaps finally a worthy upgrade.
Why, Ryzen isn't worthy for an upgrade?
Oh, right: you guys just want AMD to come up with stuff so Intel lowers their price...
this is pants from intel. 4core only 16 lanes.... are you kidding me and still 14nm. So one introduces a pci based soundcard and then the 1080ti will only run @ x8. Is this intels way of forcing you to buy the more expensive CPU's? i bet they still wont be cheap. This is pants from intel. i have not looked at AMD for over 15yrs but now my head had turned at Ryzen and seriously thinking about AMD for next build.
Same: until 10nm comes, Intel has nothing to offer that I'd be interested in. Ryzen all the way!
Very interesting, if those slides are real, that would mean intel will be taking the pentium 4 approach with the kaby lake-x cpus, 112watt tdp is extremely high for a 4 core, wouldn't be suprised if its a >4.6ghz cpu. Seems like a product Inspired by fear.
It's a product inspired by: software today takes advantage of clock speed so lets bump ours so we keep above Ryzen at gaming and charge more for the CPU's, fanboys will surely buy.
AlmondMan
Senior Member
Posts: 485
Joined: 2007-09-03
Senior Member
Posts: 485
Joined: 2007-09-03
#5418383 Posted on: 04/10/2017 10:46 AM
Looking forward to AMD's offering in that space. Just had to turn down Ryzen for a GPU-render based workstation because it didn't offer enough PCI-E lanes for 3 GPUs at 8x
Looking forward to AMD's offering in that space. Just had to turn down Ryzen for a GPU-render based workstation because it didn't offer enough PCI-E lanes for 3 GPUs at 8x
Undying
Senior Member
Posts: 12033
Joined: 2008-08-28
Senior Member
Posts: 12033
Joined: 2008-08-28
#5418384 Posted on: 04/10/2017 10:52 AM
By that time we'll already have 12-16core Ryzen CPU's. Intel looks confused when they have competition.
By that time we'll already have 12-16core Ryzen CPU's. Intel looks confused when they have competition.
cryohellinc
Senior Member
Posts: 2763
Joined: 2014-10-20
Senior Member
Posts: 2763
Joined: 2014-10-20
#5418406 Posted on: 04/10/2017 12:35 PM
Sure I do.
In general i want to wait and see what Intel comes up with, pricing e.t.c.
By that time Ryzen will get all its fixes, and hopefully fine wine will be fine.
So this year June / July we will see if Intel has something good to offer at a reasonable price or Ryzen is still the best price/performance ratio for 8/16.
P.s. calm down, you sound like a fanboy.
Why, Ryzen isn't worthy for an upgrade?
Oh, right: you guys just want AMD to come up with stuff so Intel lowers their price...
Oh, right: you guys just want AMD to come up with stuff so Intel lowers their price...
Sure I do.
In general i want to wait and see what Intel comes up with, pricing e.t.c.
By that time Ryzen will get all its fixes, and hopefully fine wine will be fine.
So this year June / July we will see if Intel has something good to offer at a reasonable price or Ryzen is still the best price/performance ratio for 8/16.
P.s. calm down, you sound like a fanboy.
PrMinisterGR
Senior Member
Posts: 7005
Joined: 2014-09-27
Senior Member
Posts: 7005
Joined: 2014-09-27
#5418447 Posted on: 04/10/2017 02:54 PM
This is more like an AM4 answer, than a Ryzen answer. It will most likely be very high price, but it's the first time in recent Intel history that a single platform will be able to operate with all available desktop CPU classes.
EDIT: It also shows what kind of marketing gimmick a of the rest has been. We know what kind of performance we'll get out of it. Skylake isn't that memory bandwidth sensitive, so my only question is how well it scales with 8 cores. Since Intel keeps using the ring bus, don't expect reasonable prices yet. As for the quads, it's kind of a bad move in the face of their clients who went for quad over octo with Ryzen, and now there's finally a broader platform, yet they are already committed.
This is more like an AM4 answer, than a Ryzen answer. It will most likely be very high price, but it's the first time in recent Intel history that a single platform will be able to operate with all available desktop CPU classes.
EDIT: It also shows what kind of marketing gimmick a of the rest has been. We know what kind of performance we'll get out of it. Skylake isn't that memory bandwidth sensitive, so my only question is how well it scales with 8 cores. Since Intel keeps using the ring bus, don't expect reasonable prices yet. As for the quads, it's kind of a bad move in the face of their clients who went for quad over octo with Ryzen, and now there's finally a broader platform, yet they are already committed.
BLEH!
Senior Member
Posts: 5899
Joined: 2010-10-17
Senior Member
Posts: 5899
Joined: 2010-10-17
#5418449 Posted on: 04/10/2017 02:58 PM
Dual channel quad core on a quad channel hex+ core socket - does not compute. Having seen the X399 rumours, I'm waiting for that.
Dual channel quad core on a quad channel hex+ core socket - does not compute. Having seen the X399 rumours, I'm waiting for that.
Agent-A01
Senior Member
Posts: 11360
Joined: 2010-12-27
Senior Member
Posts: 11360
Joined: 2010-12-27
#5418465 Posted on: 04/10/2017 03:29 PM
Oh, right: you guys just want AMD to come up with stuff so Intel lowers their price...
What's the issue with that?
Ryzen has quite a few issues to be fixed and some of them can't be.
Not to mention their chipsets are lacking in comparison and they have nothing to offer in the high end market compared to X99
Oh, right: you guys just want AMD to come up with stuff so Intel lowers their price...
What's the issue with that?
Ryzen has quite a few issues to be fixed and some of them can't be.
Not to mention their chipsets are lacking in comparison and they have nothing to offer in the high end market compared to X99
PrMinisterGR
Senior Member
Posts: 7005
Joined: 2014-09-27
Senior Member
Posts: 7005
Joined: 2014-09-27
#5418493 Posted on: 04/10/2017 04:41 PM
What's the issue with that?
Ryzen has quite a few issues to be fixed and some of them can't be.
Not to mention their chipsets are lacking in comparison and they have nothing to offer in the high end market compared to X99
Their chipsets only lack if you go for the 40-lane X99 CPUs, most of which are almost double in price than the 1700, so I wouldn't call that "lacking". The AM4 platform is going against the mainstream Intel series anyways.
What's the issue with that?
Ryzen has quite a few issues to be fixed and some of them can't be.
Not to mention their chipsets are lacking in comparison and they have nothing to offer in the high end market compared to X99
Their chipsets only lack if you go for the 40-lane X99 CPUs, most of which are almost double in price than the 1700, so I wouldn't call that "lacking". The AM4 platform is going against the mainstream Intel series anyways.
illrigger
Senior Member
Posts: 146
Joined: 2017-02-16
Senior Member
Posts: 146
Joined: 2017-02-16
#5418507 Posted on: 04/10/2017 05:37 PM
Ah, Kaby Lake X - for those users who want the same performance as Kaby Lake, but want to pay twice as much for your mainboard. I can see those being a huge seller. /s
No, I get that it is the cheap way to get on the Socket 2066 platform for later upgrades, but it's still pretty silly to basically throw away that kind of money on a CPU to get onto a platform so you can spend 2x-3x that much money later. Getting an x270 board with a Pentium on it so you can upgrade later makes sense, because they're under $100, but spending what will almost certainly be $300+ to do the same on x299 just seems dumb.
Ah, Kaby Lake X - for those users who want the same performance as Kaby Lake, but want to pay twice as much for your mainboard. I can see those being a huge seller. /s
No, I get that it is the cheap way to get on the Socket 2066 platform for later upgrades, but it's still pretty silly to basically throw away that kind of money on a CPU to get onto a platform so you can spend 2x-3x that much money later. Getting an x270 board with a Pentium on it so you can upgrade later makes sense, because they're under $100, but spending what will almost certainly be $300+ to do the same on x299 just seems dumb.
Agent-A01
Senior Member
Posts: 11360
Joined: 2010-12-27
Senior Member
Posts: 11360
Joined: 2010-12-27
#5418512 Posted on: 04/10/2017 05:41 PM
Of course not everyone needs 40 CPU lanes but even compared to mainstream it's lacking in a few areas.
Only 4 sata3(argument is 3rd party one's are junk compared to native except in pure throughput)
Only provides 8x Gen 2 PCIe from chipset whereas Z270 has 24 Gen 3 lanes.
On Z270 M.2 4x SSDs don't have to use CPU lanes so that's a plus as well.
Granted Ryzen is cheaper so that will be the argument of having less.
Their chipsets only lack if you go for the 40-lane X99 CPUs, most of which are almost double in price than the 1700, so I wouldn't call that "lacking". The AM4 platform is going against the mainstream Intel series anyways.
Of course not everyone needs 40 CPU lanes but even compared to mainstream it's lacking in a few areas.
Only 4 sata3(argument is 3rd party one's are junk compared to native except in pure throughput)
Only provides 8x Gen 2 PCIe from chipset whereas Z270 has 24 Gen 3 lanes.
On Z270 M.2 4x SSDs don't have to use CPU lanes so that's a plus as well.
Granted Ryzen is cheaper so that will be the argument of having less.
PrMinisterGR
Senior Member
Posts: 7005
Joined: 2014-09-27
Senior Member
Posts: 7005
Joined: 2014-09-27
#5418557 Posted on: 04/10/2017 07:31 PM
Only 4 sata3(argument is 3rd party one's are junk compared to native except in pure throughput)
The platform offers 4 SATA3 + 2x SATA Express, that can be converted to 4x SATA 3 "native", if the motherboard OEM want's it. Most motherboards come with 8x "native" SATA3 ports, and the more premium ones usually offer two more via a 3rd party chipset, exactly like with Intel.
In addition to that, the AM4 platform has native USB 3.1 support, while the Z270 has none.
Only provides 8x Gen 2 PCIe from chipset whereas Z270 has 24 Gen 3 lanes.
It is true that the Z270 offers 24 PCIe 3.0 lanes, but its connection to the CPU itself is exactly the same speed as the x370. PCIe 3.0 x4. This would tell me that under most stressing circumstances (a lot of expansion cards working at the same time etc), the AMD platform will behave closer to what is expected of it, since the Z270 has a connection to the CPU that is six times slower than the maximum bandwidth it can provide to devices connected to it. It's nice to see the "24 PCIe 3.0 lanes", if they can mean anything tangible.
On Z270 M.2 4x SSDs don't have to use CPU lanes so that's a plus as well.
Granted Ryzen is cheaper so that will be the argument of having less.
Yeah, they hobble the 4x PCIe connection to it, along with everything else coming from the chipset.
You can say that X99 has more features (and it does have more), but Z270 is an inferior platform, feature-wise, with the exception of Optane.
Only 4 sata3(argument is 3rd party one's are junk compared to native except in pure throughput)
The platform offers 4 SATA3 + 2x SATA Express, that can be converted to 4x SATA 3 "native", if the motherboard OEM want's it. Most motherboards come with 8x "native" SATA3 ports, and the more premium ones usually offer two more via a 3rd party chipset, exactly like with Intel.
In addition to that, the AM4 platform has native USB 3.1 support, while the Z270 has none.
Only provides 8x Gen 2 PCIe from chipset whereas Z270 has 24 Gen 3 lanes.
It is true that the Z270 offers 24 PCIe 3.0 lanes, but its connection to the CPU itself is exactly the same speed as the x370. PCIe 3.0 x4. This would tell me that under most stressing circumstances (a lot of expansion cards working at the same time etc), the AMD platform will behave closer to what is expected of it, since the Z270 has a connection to the CPU that is six times slower than the maximum bandwidth it can provide to devices connected to it. It's nice to see the "24 PCIe 3.0 lanes", if they can mean anything tangible.
On Z270 M.2 4x SSDs don't have to use CPU lanes so that's a plus as well.
Granted Ryzen is cheaper so that will be the argument of having less.
Yeah, they hobble the 4x PCIe connection to it, along with everything else coming from the chipset.
You can say that X99 has more features (and it does have more), but Z270 is an inferior platform, feature-wise, with the exception of Optane.
Click here to post a comment for this news story on the message forum.
Senior Member
Posts: 2763
Joined: 2014-10-20
So is this an answer from Intel for Ryzen i assume? Fingers crossed for lower prices, and some actual PERFORMANCE improvements.
Perhaps finally a worthy upgrade.