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New AMD Engineering Sample Zen Processors get higher Clocks
AMDs upcoming ZEN series processors are absolutely dominating the processor news-front this year. The hype is real. New information surfaced about updated engineering sample. The processor that is supposed to run IPC perf as fast as Intels Broadwell-E shows higher clocks.
User AMD Polaris reported that new information new SKUs that have just hit the post-boxes of the mainboard manufacturers. Both processors spotted are A0 revisions and Engineering Samples.
The first one is an 8-core design with AMD's HT implementation and it's got a 3150 MHz base clock, it's all-core turbo is 3300 MHz and the max turbo for 1 core is 3600 Mhz. Yes, here are some improvements regarding the previous 8-core SKU under the same TDP envelope.
The second SKU is a 4-core one with AMD's HT. It's got a 65W TDP and the base clock is still 2900 MHz. All-core turbo is 3100 MHz, max turbo is 3400 MHz. I don't know if it's only an SKU for testing mainboards or something is not okay with the clock-wattage correlation. I mean on higher clocks the 4-core SKU steps into the 95W TDP envelope, AMD can't keep the wattage low. Maybe GloFo's 14nm process needs some maturing.
Retail AM4 mainboards are under production. The whole platform will be ready to have a paper-launch at the end of the year with a real availability in February of 2017. Performance wise the Zen uarch will be around Haswell and Broadwell (except for FMA), it seems it won't catch Skylake clock for clock. It's not a big deal, but if the clocks can't go higher until the start it won't fulfill the expectations.
And we all know that expectations in this case are very high.
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#5350488 Posted on: 10/25/2016 08:57 AM
I wouldn't really say so since all core boost is just 3,1 GHz. If anything this seems to confirm the clock problems which is likely caused by the 14nm process.
I wouldn't really say so since all core boost is just 3,1 GHz. If anything this seems to confirm the clock problems which is likely caused by the 14nm process.
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#5350490 Posted on: 10/25/2016 09:06 AM
The clock really does not matter to me as long as they perform as advertised (+40% IPC) and is good priced (I will not waste +600EUR for a CPU) in comparison with Intel or let's say €/"Perfromace Index" beeing better or equal with Intel. I actually expect this CPU at a 300-400 EUR range with 80...90% of the Skylake performance.
I still own an old 8350 and still kick strong in all last games and day by day usage, in principle I can skip this upgrade but I just feel that I need something new (love the smell of new and fresh hardware in my rig :nerd
. FX990 chipset really start showing his age too!
I wouldn't really say so since all core boost is just 3,1 GHz. If anything this seems to confirm the clock problems which is likely caused by the 14nm process.
The clock really does not matter to me as long as they perform as advertised (+40% IPC) and is good priced (I will not waste +600EUR for a CPU) in comparison with Intel or let's say €/"Perfromace Index" beeing better or equal with Intel. I actually expect this CPU at a 300-400 EUR range with 80...90% of the Skylake performance.
I still own an old 8350 and still kick strong in all last games and day by day usage, in principle I can skip this upgrade but I just feel that I need something new (love the smell of new and fresh hardware in my rig :nerd
. FX990 chipset really start showing his age too!
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#5350491 Posted on: 10/25/2016 09:11 AM
Polaris is also clocking considerably less than Pascal, so it's indeed quite possible architectural decisions aren't the only explanation and GlobalFoundries simply can't get it up at the moment. Although that being said, nothing explains why TSMC would have it working better since they are no more experienced with the smaller tech than GloFo, as opposed to the old man Intel.
Polaris is also clocking considerably less than Pascal, so it's indeed quite possible architectural decisions aren't the only explanation and GlobalFoundries simply can't get it up at the moment. Although that being said, nothing explains why TSMC would have it working better since they are no more experienced with the smaller tech than GloFo, as opposed to the old man Intel.
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#5350492 Posted on: 10/25/2016 09:13 AM
Looks like Zen will be a fine CPU for everything....except for what I need, Emulation.
More than 4 cores is irrelevant in the world of emulation and if Zen tops out at 3.6Ghz then that will still make them alot slower than Haswell,Skylake and Kaby Lake, all of which will easily reach 4.5Ghz.
When IPC is roughly equal, which seems to be the case with Zen vs Intel, clockspeed will be king.
Maybe later revisions will break the 4Ghz barrier, but right now for Emulation, Intel will still be the CPU of choice.
Looks like Zen will be a fine CPU for everything....except for what I need, Emulation.
More than 4 cores is irrelevant in the world of emulation and if Zen tops out at 3.6Ghz then that will still make them alot slower than Haswell,Skylake and Kaby Lake, all of which will easily reach 4.5Ghz.
When IPC is roughly equal, which seems to be the case with Zen vs Intel, clockspeed will be king.
Maybe later revisions will break the 4Ghz barrier, but right now for Emulation, Intel will still be the CPU of choice.
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#5350493 Posted on: 10/25/2016 09:20 AM
It says 3.3ghz on a engineering sample. What are you smoking?
I wouldn't really say so since all core boost is just 3,1 GHz. If anything this seems to confirm the clock problems which is likely caused by the 14nm process.
It says 3.3ghz on a engineering sample. What are you smoking?
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#5350500 Posted on: 10/25/2016 09:33 AM
And we all know that expectations in this case are very high.
I think ZEN is hyper overhyped and will tank, so My expectations are very low actually.
If it is not the case and Zen actually performs well, ok, I will then accept that I was wrong.
And we all know that expectations in this case are very high.
I think ZEN is hyper overhyped and will tank, so My expectations are very low actually.
If it is not the case and Zen actually performs well, ok, I will then accept that I was wrong.
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#5350501 Posted on: 10/25/2016 09:39 AM
3.6Ghz.... I was expecting at least 4.1, come on AMD this is bad. Kaby Lake prices will be once again sky-rocketing, as there is no competition. Same goes for Nvidia. AMD really needs to step up.
3.6Ghz.... I was expecting at least 4.1, come on AMD this is bad. Kaby Lake prices will be once again sky-rocketing, as there is no competition. Same goes for Nvidia. AMD really needs to step up.
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#5350505 Posted on: 10/25/2016 10:01 AM
The AMD Zen in the Blender rendering test was on pair (slightly faster to be correct) with the i7 6900K.
This intel cpu has 8 cores and 16 threads (like Zen), 3.2-3.7GHz clock, 140W TDP and costs about 1.000€.
The Zen sample mentioned in the article has 3.1-3.6GHz @95W.
From what I see AMD has already achieved a big improvements over the old gen FX processors and overclocking the cpu beyond 4 GHz will be possible with less power than the Intel.
3.6Ghz.... I was expecting at least 4.1, come on AMD this is bad. Kaby Lake prices will be once again sky-rocketing, as there is no competition. Same goes for Nvidia. AMD really needs to step up.
The AMD Zen in the Blender rendering test was on pair (slightly faster to be correct) with the i7 6900K.
This intel cpu has 8 cores and 16 threads (like Zen), 3.2-3.7GHz clock, 140W TDP and costs about 1.000€.
The Zen sample mentioned in the article has 3.1-3.6GHz @95W.
From what I see AMD has already achieved a big improvements over the old gen FX processors and overclocking the cpu beyond 4 GHz will be possible with less power than the Intel.
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#5350506 Posted on: 10/25/2016 10:04 AM
i dont mind the clocks aslong as the price is right,guys need to remember that it has been along time since we seen normal cpu from amd,and remember that amd is jummping from 32nm all the way to 14 so there is bound to be sum hit or miss things.
i dont mind the clocks aslong as the price is right,guys need to remember that it has been along time since we seen normal cpu from amd,and remember that amd is jummping from 32nm all the way to 14 so there is bound to be sum hit or miss things.
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#5350513 Posted on: 10/25/2016 10:20 AM
and thats the scary bit, if they wont be able to make 14nm right, mind that Intel has been at 14nm for quite some time now, we wont see AMD anywhere near 10nm in nearest future. That means 10nm Intel will be INSANE in terms of pricing.
AMD Really needs to step up.
i dont mind the clocks aslong as the price is right,guys need to remember that it has been along time since we seen normal cpu from amd,and remember that amd is jummping from 32nm all the way to 14 so there is bound to be sum hit or miss things.
and thats the scary bit, if they wont be able to make 14nm right, mind that Intel has been at 14nm for quite some time now, we wont see AMD anywhere near 10nm in nearest future. That means 10nm Intel will be INSANE in terms of pricing.
AMD Really needs to step up.
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#5350518 Posted on: 10/25/2016 10:27 AM
It supposed to be filling store shelves in a few short months. They don't have time for numerous engineering sample revisions anymore. Unless AMD decides to postpone the release again, in which case they should just exit the market already.
It says 3.3ghz on a engineering sample. What are you smoking?
It supposed to be filling store shelves in a few short months. They don't have time for numerous engineering sample revisions anymore. Unless AMD decides to postpone the release again, in which case they should just exit the market already.
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#5350529 Posted on: 10/25/2016 10:35 AM
first of all it is an engineering sample, so please stop criticizing
second of all it is still an "engineering sample" so please stop hyping
until there is an actual product in Hilbert hands with a proper AM4 MOBO, some real world numbers to a consumer product, i will keep my fingers crossed,
and as always and most of all, as a user my loyalty to my pocket, if AMD is actually back and relevant again we will all benefit, higher performance and lower prices isn't this essentially what it's all about 
first of all it is an engineering sample, so please stop criticizing
second of all it is still an "engineering sample" so please stop hyping
until there is an actual product in Hilbert hands with a proper AM4 MOBO, some real world numbers to a consumer product, i will keep my fingers crossed,
and as always and most of all, as a user my loyalty to my pocket, if AMD is actually back and relevant again we will all benefit, higher performance and lower prices
isn't this essentially what it's all about
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#5350539 Posted on: 10/25/2016 10:50 AM
You are complaining that you don't want the car because the prtotype doesn't have side mirrors and is with strange paint.Untill someone actually try for real to overclock the second batch of ES there is nothing to talk about.
You are complaining that you don't want the car because the prtotype doesn't have side mirrors and is with strange paint.Untill someone actually try for real to overclock the second batch of ES there is nothing to talk about.
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#5350557 Posted on: 10/25/2016 11:38 AM
I think everybody here is forgetting we are talking about an eight core chip! Of course is going to clock lower than a four core chip... Unless someone is expecting some kind of miracle from AMD or GloFo...
And like gianluca wrote, Intel´s eight core chip doesn´t clock much higher and it´s a 140W chip!...
I don´t know about others, but i´m really excited about Zen and if they perform well and are well priced i´m going to get one.
3.6Ghz.... I was expecting at least 4.1, come on AMD this is bad. Kaby Lake prices will be once again sky-rocketing, as there is no competition. Same goes for Nvidia. AMD really needs to step up.
I think everybody here is forgetting we are talking about an eight core chip! Of course is going to clock lower than a four core chip... Unless someone is expecting some kind of miracle from AMD or GloFo...
And like gianluca wrote, Intel´s eight core chip doesn´t clock much higher and it´s a 140W chip!...
I don´t know about others, but i´m really excited about Zen and if they perform well and are well priced i´m going to get one.
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COOOL, AMD bring it ON NOW. I want this CPU a.s.a.p.!