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Mystery solved: Z390 Chipset Will Support Intel 8-Core Processors
Recently we posted a slide demonstrating the Z370 Platform transition chipset for Coffee Lake. Interestingly enough that slide revealed a Z390 chipset which was listed on there. As it turns out, Intel is to release yet another chipset this year, to support 8-core processors.
That fact is also indicative that the Z370 chipset isn't enough, and not capable of supporting the unannounced 8-core part. It's messy with Intel chipsets alright. The news was spotted at the NotebookReview who posted a bit from eurocom stating the obvious. The Eurocom employee claims that Z390 is supported by eight core and sixteen threads processors and would be released in the second half of 2018.
That statement completely lines up with the slide we posted earlier. So that means a B360, Z370 and Z390 chipset. Eurocom has indicated to simply skip Z370 and go straight for Z390, which indicates that Z390 will be backwards compatible with Coffee Lake 6-core processors. But that last bit remains speculation of course. Btw we have a hunch the 8-core part would/could be based on 10nm Ice Lake.
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#5472776 Posted on: 09/17/2017 11:48 AM
10 years of quad core max for mainstream, and now we will suddenly get both 6-core and 8-core mainstream within a year. Such a deplorably greedy company Intel is. It truly has transformed itself from a technology company into a financial company.
10 years of quad core max for mainstream, and now we will suddenly get both 6-core and 8-core mainstream within a year. Such a deplorably greedy company Intel is. It truly has transformed itself from a technology company into a financial company.
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#5472779 Posted on: 09/17/2017 12:12 PM
8 core coffelake, oh heeeellll yeah
8 core coffelake, oh heeeellll yeah
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#5472780 Posted on: 09/17/2017 12:19 PM
It will directly compete with Ryzen 2.
AMD is working hard on IPC and clocks for second gen Ryzen. If they manage to add ~10% IPC and clocks ~4,5+GHz it will be very interesting.
I will watching close to that. I planing to upgrade my rig in Q4 2018.
It will directly compete with Ryzen 2.
AMD is working hard on IPC and clocks for second gen Ryzen. If they manage to add ~10% IPC and clocks ~4,5+GHz it will be very interesting.
I will watching close to that. I planing to upgrade my rig in Q4 2018.
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#5472781 Posted on: 09/17/2017 12:50 PM
Another Chipset .... FeelsBadMan
am done with this 9999+ chipsets
Another Chipset .... FeelsBadMan
am done with this 9999+ chipsets
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#5472783 Posted on: 09/17/2017 01:31 PM
And there goes my plan to upgrade to CFL from my old Sandy. I could go Z370 with an i3 and buy the 8 core part later but nope. Intel wants me to wait or keep buying motherboards for no reason.
And there goes my plan to upgrade to CFL from my old Sandy. I could go Z370 with an i3 and buy the 8 core part later but nope. Intel wants me to wait or keep buying motherboards for no reason.
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#5472785 Posted on: 09/17/2017 01:41 PM
So that means AMD is greedy for releasing their 6 and 8 core Ryzen CPUs eh?
10 years of quad core max for mainstream, and now we will suddenly get both 6-core and 8-core mainstream within a year. Such a deplorably greedy company Intel is. It truly has transformed itself from a technology company into a financial company.
So that means AMD is greedy for releasing their 6 and 8 core Ryzen CPUs eh?
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#5472789 Posted on: 09/17/2017 02:48 PM
Yet another chipset? Why do people even bother buying $hintel these days?
On another note, i7 with 8 cores? So soon? Ryzen sure has shaken them of their feet.
Doubtful, most CPU's are made well in advance, they most likely have been producing these since ryzen came out maybe even before hand.
And i can think of many reasons people buy intel over ryzen.
right now Ryzen is great, its a good price for performance
But some people have the extra money to get something from intel which do perform better, specially in gaming and ST tasks... though MT might change with these new chips coming out.
It's the same reason people want to buy a ferrari instead of a ford both get from A to B, but they do perform different.
My question to you is why if you're just an AMD fanboy do you keep messaging on each intel post on here? if you don't want intel then cool that is your choice but you post basically the same thing each time.
Competition on both sides is good, it's beyond me why you would moan of such things, or would you prefer the old AMD that couldn't hold a candle to intels offering?
Yet another chipset? Why do people even bother buying $hintel these days?
On another note, i7 with 8 cores? So soon? Ryzen sure has shaken them of their feet.
Doubtful, most CPU's are made well in advance, they most likely have been producing these since ryzen came out maybe even before hand.
And i can think of many reasons people buy intel over ryzen.
right now Ryzen is great, its a good price for performance
But some people have the extra money to get something from intel which do perform better, specially in gaming and ST tasks... though MT might change with these new chips coming out.
It's the same reason people want to buy a ferrari instead of a ford both get from A to B, but they do perform different.
My question to you is why if you're just an AMD fanboy do you keep messaging on each intel post on here? if you don't want intel then cool that is your choice but you post basically the same thing each time.
Competition on both sides is good, it's beyond me why you would moan of such things, or would you prefer the old AMD that couldn't hold a candle to intels offering?
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#5472793 Posted on: 09/17/2017 03:03 PM
It will directly compete with Ryzen 2.
AMD is working hard on IPC and clocks for second gen Ryzen. If they manage to add ~10% IPC and clocks ~4,5+GHz it will be very interesting.
I will watching close to that. I planing to upgrade my rig in Q4 2018.
do you have a source for your claim?
it would be really interesting if AMD could manage to get higher clocks even with the same IPC but reasonable voltages and temps.
It will directly compete with Ryzen 2.
AMD is working hard on IPC and clocks for second gen Ryzen. If they manage to add ~10% IPC and clocks ~4,5+GHz it will be very interesting.
I will watching close to that. I planing to upgrade my rig in Q4 2018.
do you have a source for your claim?
it would be really interesting if AMD could manage to get higher clocks even with the same IPC but reasonable voltages and temps.
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#5472796 Posted on: 09/17/2017 03:19 PM
do you have a source for your claim?
it would be really interesting if AMD could manage to get higher clocks even with the same IPC but reasonable voltages and temps.
The release time line is close enough to a source. If the Z390 chipset is expected to be released in H2'18 and Zen2 is expected around a similar time frame, it would be expected that the 2 would compete with each other.
do you have a source for your claim?
it would be really interesting if AMD could manage to get higher clocks even with the same IPC but reasonable voltages and temps.
The release time line is close enough to a source. If the Z390 chipset is expected to be released in H2'18 and Zen2 is expected around a similar time frame, it would be expected that the 2 would compete with each other.
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#5472797 Posted on: 09/17/2017 03:26 PM
My question to you is why if you're just an AMD fanboy do you keep messaging on each intel post on here? if you don't want intel then cool that is your choice but you post basically the same thing each time.
Competition on both sides is good, it's beyond me why you would moan of such things, or would you prefer the old AMD that couldn't hold a candle to intels offering?
You don't have to be pro-AMD or Anti-Intel to see that the constant release of new chipsets is ridiculous when they add absolutely no new features. If Z370 isn't going to add any new features, and isn't a long-term product, it shouldn't be released. Instead, Intel should hold off until Z390 is ready. If Z390 won't support processors supported by Z370, the entire line is a waste and the chipsets need to be re-engineered. The blind support for stupidity like this is amazing.
My question to you is why if you're just an AMD fanboy do you keep messaging on each intel post on here? if you don't want intel then cool that is your choice but you post basically the same thing each time.
Competition on both sides is good, it's beyond me why you would moan of such things, or would you prefer the old AMD that couldn't hold a candle to intels offering?
You don't have to be pro-AMD or Anti-Intel to see that the constant release of new chipsets is ridiculous when they add absolutely no new features. If Z370 isn't going to add any new features, and isn't a long-term product, it shouldn't be released. Instead, Intel should hold off until Z390 is ready. If Z390 won't support processors supported by Z370, the entire line is a waste and the chipsets need to be re-engineered. The blind support for stupidity like this is amazing.
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#5472799 Posted on: 09/17/2017 03:38 PM
It isn't releases of chipsets more of announcements or rumours of them. we have yet to see if they will actual come out, though these rumours typically are set in stone. we don't know if this has been rushed or planned all along. If it has been rushed then yes this is pretty ridiculous, however if this has been planned all along, of if their chipsets have always allowed for more or if this is the reason for the Z390 in the first place, then it's quite possible this has been planned. as for how it will do, we will just have to wait for HH and others to review the products to find out how they perform, though like most cases with CPU's right now, the performance on ST has been a very slow crawl, MT on the other hand is where we would see big gains in performance.
This could also be intel moving all i7's over from HEDT platform, and HEDT platform being for i9's only, though that's just my thoughts who know's with intel they have been making some odd choices this year i have to say.
This isn't the first time that different chipsets have allowed for certain processors or features, even AMD have also done this (mostly with features mind you)
Support for competition however i think is a good thing, as long as we have good healthy competition mind you.
I'm in the camp for good competition, having high cores on the mainstream is something that has been needed now for over 6 years, 4c8t have been around for too long.
I will agree that we should not support this blindly, however it is something that can be good but should be taken with a massive heap of sand. and we should wait for reviews before we make any intelligent choice about the platform itself as it could be something horrible
You don't have to be pro-AMD or Anti-Intel to see that the constant release of new chipsets is ridiculous when they add absolutely no new features. If Z370 isn't going to add any new features, and isn't a long-term product, it shouldn't be released. Instead, Intel should hold off until Z390 is ready. If Z390 won't support processors supported by Z370, the entire line is a waste and the chipsets need to be re-engineered. The blind support for stupidity like this is amazing.
It isn't releases of chipsets more of announcements or rumours of them. we have yet to see if they will actual come out, though these rumours typically are set in stone. we don't know if this has been rushed or planned all along. If it has been rushed then yes this is pretty ridiculous, however if this has been planned all along, of if their chipsets have always allowed for more or if this is the reason for the Z390 in the first place, then it's quite possible this has been planned. as for how it will do, we will just have to wait for HH and others to review the products to find out how they perform, though like most cases with CPU's right now, the performance on ST has been a very slow crawl, MT on the other hand is where we would see big gains in performance.
This could also be intel moving all i7's over from HEDT platform, and HEDT platform being for i9's only, though that's just my thoughts who know's with intel they have been making some odd choices this year i have to say.
This isn't the first time that different chipsets have allowed for certain processors or features, even AMD have also done this (mostly with features mind you)
Support for competition however i think is a good thing, as long as we have good healthy competition mind you.
I'm in the camp for good competition, having high cores on the mainstream is something that has been needed now for over 6 years, 4c8t have been around for too long.
I will agree that we should not support this blindly, however it is something that can be good but should be taken with a massive heap of sand. and we should wait for reviews before we make any intelligent choice about the platform itself as it could be something horrible
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#5472800 Posted on: 09/17/2017 03:40 PM
This is for Ice-lake
8 core coffelake, oh heeeellll yeah
This is for Ice-lake
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#5472805 Posted on: 09/17/2017 03:47 PM
Uh... No. Somehow you are seeing the thing 180 degrees reversed. As far as I'm concerned, AMD was out of the serious CPU business for many years, not releasing anything beyond entry level or low mainstream. It did no good for their business prospects either, even if they did manage to land some console deals. However, Intel could have released 6/8-core mainstreams a few years ago, as natural development from the 4-cores that had dominated the market already for a while. But no, they didn't, because in lack of competition they simply kept milking the market by releasing the same old 4-cores time after time. I'm 99% sure they had at least preliminary plans for these things ready and waiting all the time. Only when they began to suspect AMD would finally reenter the game, they finished those plans and are getting the Coffee Lake out in no time at all.
So that means AMD is greedy for releasing their 6 and 8 core Ryzen CPUs eh?
Uh... No. Somehow you are seeing the thing 180 degrees reversed. As far as I'm concerned, AMD was out of the serious CPU business for many years, not releasing anything beyond entry level or low mainstream. It did no good for their business prospects either, even if they did manage to land some console deals. However, Intel could have released 6/8-core mainstreams a few years ago, as natural development from the 4-cores that had dominated the market already for a while. But no, they didn't, because in lack of competition they simply kept milking the market by releasing the same old 4-cores time after time. I'm 99% sure they had at least preliminary plans for these things ready and waiting all the time. Only when they began to suspect AMD would finally reenter the game, they finished those plans and are getting the Coffee Lake out in no time at all.
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#5472809 Posted on: 09/17/2017 04:02 PM
how many god damn chipset they need? why dont they just get over with it and do new chipset and new socket every 6 month, well all know they want too.
i dont see how intel can keep doing the same old thing over and over, less they really do have magical cpu they never released for reason. even then I think it be more profitable, they came back to reality
how many god damn chipset they need? why dont they just get over with it and do new chipset and new socket every 6 month, well all know they want too.
i dont see how intel can keep doing the same old thing over and over, less they really do have magical cpu they never released for reason. even then I think it be more profitable, they came back to reality
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Yet another chipset? Why do people even bother buying $hintel these days?
On another note, i7 with 8 cores? So soon? Ryzen sure has shaken them of their feet.