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MSI X570 Gaming Pro Carbon and Plus for AMD Ryzen 3000 Leak
Photos have leaked from MSI's upcoming X570 gaming motherboards. It's a twofold of boards, the X570 Gaming Pro Carbon and the X570 Gaming Plus. Once again the motherboards have an active fan on board on top of the chipset and shows a dual PCIe x16 slot, likely PCIe Gen 4.
The new motherboards surfaced at Videocardz and both are based on the upcoming AMD X570 (PCH) chipset, designed for the new Ryzen 3000 series. We had a debate earlier on about the active chipset cooler, from the looks of it, most X570 motherboards are going to get them, which kind of blows as small fans often are very noisy. You'll notice the Gaming Pro Carbon has four DDR4 DIMM slots, and six SATA III ports and two PCIe x16 slots, two PCIe x1 slots and two x4 slots. Gaming Plus model shows two PCIe x16 slots and three x1 slots.
These X570 will be announced at Computex later this month. You may expect two slots to be PCIe Gen 4.0 compatible as well as getting Wi-Fi 6 support (AX).
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#5670698 Posted on: 05/18/2019 06:42 PM
Spoken like a real Internet expert who has no personal experience whatsoever but still knows everything about a subject, uhhuh. The fans started to sound like a circular saw after a few years of use because they were the cheapest imaginable fans the mobo manufacturers could buy from the cheapest imaginable manufacturer in China. The plastic bearings of those fans can take only so many hours of use before disintegrating.
I said my last memory was replacing one with a passive cooling elements, but before that I had replaced the broken fan with a new fan in a couple of other PCs over the years. However, I'm sure the X570 mobos won't have the kind of pitiful fans the mobos of old did.
fwiw i've installed and maintained 100's of Via Epia boards with 40mm cpu fans back in the day, but hey, who cares.
It used to be that people learned from other people with experience.
Spoken like a real Internet expert who has no personal experience whatsoever but still knows everything about a subject, uhhuh. The fans started to sound like a circular saw after a few years of use because they were the cheapest imaginable fans the mobo manufacturers could buy from the cheapest imaginable manufacturer in China. The plastic bearings of those fans can take only so many hours of use before disintegrating.
I said my last memory was replacing one with a passive cooling elements, but before that I had replaced the broken fan with a new fan in a couple of other PCs over the years. However, I'm sure the X570 mobos won't have the kind of pitiful fans the mobos of old did.
fwiw i've installed and maintained 100's of Via Epia boards with 40mm cpu fans back in the day, but hey, who cares.
It used to be that people learned from other people with experience.
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#5670705 Posted on: 05/18/2019 07:26 PM
fwiw i've installed and maintained 100's of Via Epia boards with 40mm cpu fans back in the day, but hey, who cares.
It used to be that people learned from other people with experience.
It was you who suggested people disliking mobo fans are just being hysterical over nothing. If you have such extensive experience of PC fans, don't say such things in the future.
fwiw i've installed and maintained 100's of Via Epia boards with 40mm cpu fans back in the day, but hey, who cares.
It used to be that people learned from other people with experience.
It was you who suggested people disliking mobo fans are just being hysterical over nothing. If you have such extensive experience of PC fans, don't say such things in the future.
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#5670814 Posted on: 05/19/2019 11:33 AM
You need to re-read my post again.
I never suggested anything of the like.
It was you who suggested people disliking mobo fans are just being hysterical over nothing. If you have such extensive experience of PC fans, don't say such things in the future.
You need to re-read my post again.
I never suggested anything of the like.
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#5670825 Posted on: 05/19/2019 12:42 PM
I find it interesting that there is so much pushback about a tiny little chipset fan on a motherboard, yet god awful looking cpu coolers are a norm.
You get the point....gessz move on about the little fan.
I find it interesting that there is so much pushback about a tiny little chipset fan on a motherboard, yet god awful looking cpu coolers are a norm.
You get the point....gessz move on about the little fan.
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#5670828 Posted on: 05/19/2019 01:11 PM
Uh... it's not about aesthetics, it's about a 30-40mm fan at 3-5K RPM sounding like a jet engine.
Huge and ugly CPU coolers are... huge and ugly, but they're also very quiet.
You get the point....gessz move on about the little fan.
Uh... it's not about aesthetics, it's about a 30-40mm fan at 3-5K RPM sounding like a jet engine.
Huge and ugly CPU coolers are... huge and ugly, but they're also very quiet.
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#5670829 Posted on: 05/19/2019 01:16 PM
Bigger fans are generally quieter, since they can run slower and move more air due to their size. Nevermind that CPU fans are of a standard size that you can easily get a good after-market fan for, while those built-in fans into the heatsink on the chipset are really hard to replace.
I find it interesting that there is so much pushback about a tiny little chipset fan on a motherboard, yet god awful looking cpu coolers are a norm. .
Bigger fans are generally quieter, since they can run slower and move more air due to their size. Nevermind that CPU fans are of a standard size that you can easily get a good after-market fan for, while those built-in fans into the heatsink on the chipset are really hard to replace.
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#5670841 Posted on: 05/19/2019 03:36 PM
No you're completely missing the point. These little fans can be irritating little high pitched f*ckers and prone to suffer a quick dead. (seen them go in less than a year). If these chipset fans die you can be lucky if it doesn't take your mainboard and/or data with it.
You can't even simply replace the fan's that are used here. You'd have to strip the board of all the plastic junk and hope for the best you can find something that can be made to fit. (heatsink and/or fan)
I find it interesting that there is so much pushback about a tiny little chipset fan on a motherboard, yet god awful looking cpu coolers are a norm. You get the point....gessz move on about the little fan.
No you're completely missing the point. These little fans can be irritating little high pitched f*ckers and prone to suffer a quick dead. (seen them go in less than a year). If these chipset fans die you can be lucky if it doesn't take your mainboard and/or data with it.
You can't even simply replace the fan's that are used here. You'd have to strip the board of all the plastic junk and hope for the best you can find something that can be made to fit. (heatsink and/or fan)
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#5670857 Posted on: 05/19/2019 04:17 PM
Nothing wrong with the fan. It is not a first time we have fun on south bridge.
Nothing wrong with the fan. It is not a first time we have fun on south bridge.
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#5670884 Posted on: 05/19/2019 06:17 PM
who knows maybe the little fan only turns on if you live in dubai without ac and plan on doing 6ghz all core, i doubt its just always on, thats just too dumb, isnt it?
who knows maybe the little fan only turns on if you live in dubai without ac and plan on doing 6ghz all core, i doubt its just always on, thats just too dumb, isnt it?
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#5670928 Posted on: 05/20/2019 12:17 AM
Right, which is the reason people are wary about this development to begin with.
It was a terrible idea the first time around.
Nothing wrong with the fan. It is not a first time we have fun on south bridge.
Right, which is the reason people are wary about this development to begin with.
It was a terrible idea the first time around.
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#5670966 Posted on: 05/20/2019 06:35 AM
it suggests pci-e 4.0 is fast and hot.
The 500-Series chipsets will consume more power (~15W) than the 28nm chipsets (~8W) used on current AM4 motherboards, but that's because the 500-series chipsets also support PCIe 4.0. We weren't told the specific lane allocations of the new chipset, but those faster lanes will be useful for numerous types of secondary I/O devices.
it suggests pci-e 4.0 is fast and hot.
The 500-Series chipsets will consume more power (~15W) than the 28nm chipsets (~8W) used on current AM4 motherboards, but that's because the 500-series chipsets also support PCIe 4.0. We weren't told the specific lane allocations of the new chipset, but those faster lanes will be useful for numerous types of secondary I/O devices.
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#5671228 Posted on: 05/20/2019 07:00 PM
It will probably be a smart fan, not a stupid fan, and only run as fast as necessary. I recommend those for your other fans too.
I'll be putting a fan on the CPU - on the mobo - anyway. Done right, another fan in there doesn't worry me. If it needs the cooling, provide the cooling.
Someday we'll be saying the same thing about CPU coolers. And case fans.
+1
The last thing I want is another stupid fan in my case
It will probably be a smart fan, not a stupid fan, and only run as fast as necessary. I recommend those for your other fans too.
Not going to buy any motherboard with fans on it.
I'll be putting a fan on the CPU - on the mobo - anyway. Done right, another fan in there doesn't worry me. If it needs the cooling, provide the cooling.
I don't like that chipset active cooling. I thought those days are gone for good.
Someday we'll be saying the same thing about CPU coolers. And case fans.
Will wait for official releases and reviews.
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#5671229 Posted on: 05/20/2019 07:08 PM
The main problem for me with those chipset cooling fans is... When it fails what do you replace it with...?
If it fails out of warranty then better hope X company provides such spare parts, if they are still in business themselves.
When the fan on my DFI board went, so had the company... -.-
The main problem for me with those chipset cooling fans is... When it fails what do you replace it with...?
If it fails out of warranty then better hope X company provides such spare parts, if they are still in business themselves.
When the fan on my DFI board went, so had the company... -.-
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Ok, I am no "fan" of small fans on the Chipset - those tiny things sound like circular saws most of the time.
However, MSI seems to have used some fairly large ones (5 / 6 cm?) and depending on the RPM's it might really not be loud at all.
If they are of decent make, they might last long as well (usually my main concern with these things, yet another thing that could break and fry your Mobo
They are placed on a good spot too, unless your using 2 GPUs.
2nd, I actually like the idea of the Carbon wehere the airflow gets blown over the M2 slots, so it keeps those NVME drives a bit cooler as well
Although, the whole mounting system for that is a bit over the top, if you have to swap them out more often..
I remember in the olden days you could buy fanless Chipset replacements from Arctic and I believe Zalman too, maybe those will be a thing again soon hehe.
They were however quite tall, and doubt they will fit in many cases these days with the massive graphics card coolers we have now :p
I have the MSI X470Gaming Pro Carbon currently and they schoolboy errored and put the main M.2 slot directly below the 1st GPU slot directly where hot air from their own brand MSI 2080 Gaming X Trio exhausts from its cooling fins heating up my Samsung 960 EVO 1TB to uncomfortably hot (around 57c / 135f) levels it never sees under normal even heavy SSD use.
Nice to see they moved that above the GPU slot where it won't get directly blasted with hot air.