MSI Motherboard with Z390 Chipset Listed in AIDA64

#5527133 Posted on: 03/10/2018 06:13 PM

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DeskStar
You shouldn't forget about that cool storage speed drop due to the meltdown patches. The drops are from 10 to 20%, in games it's not that noticeable but to me it sucks a lot

If you are lucky. The 900P on my last build lost 20%-25% in disk performance after the last patch, I had to go back to a previous BIOS.

#5527170 Posted on: 03/10/2018 09:48 PM

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If you read the forums you will notice many users claim they won't. I skipped the 270 and 370 intel products and bought a ryzen system and it is really good. However, like every release before, Intel will continue selling millions of products and continue market domination. Intel's stock is at a 10 year high right now. AMD however continues treading water still down 20% from Ryzen launch against a market that is up 25%. AMD needs some big step ups as we all need more from AMD. So far AMD still hasn't had any meaningful effect on Intel prices.

#5527210 Posted on: 03/11/2018 01:56 AM

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Ricepudding there are people that go for high-end stuff from the beginning, there are people that don't need any high-end stuff neither now nor in the future. But what about the rest? Say you're a gamer but you don't have money for an i7. You build a PC with an i5. We all remember how the old 4-core i5 CPUs ended up - it's hard for them to handle let's say Battlefield 1 multiplayer, Hitman, Far Cry Primal without noticeable fps drops, the same destiny is waiting for current 6-core i5 CPUs in a couple of years. You bought a Coffee Lake PC with an i5, what will you do when it's not enough for newer games? Yes, you can go for an i7-8700K, but it's expensive as hell and will be still expensive. And now look at the Ryzens - when the next gen is about to be released, the older gen prices drop, and when your Ryzen 1600 struggles you will replace it with any 8-core of any generation and you will spend less money on that.
That's why I wouldn't buy any Coffee Lake at all.

Issue with your statement here is that you think Ryzen platform will keep you going when in-fact it wont either. you're talking about a CPU not being enough anymore which takes quite a few generations. I went from Sandy Bridge to Coffee-lake, from a 2000 Series to a 8000 thats a 6 generation jump because it wasn't the biggest difference, Ryzen yes will allow for Ryzen+ but they already said it wont allow Zen2 (though correct me if im wrong) let alone 6 generations down the line when you will 100% need a whole new system. This saving money on a system just doesn't add up for anyone unless they got a Ryzen 3 and will get a ryzen 7 later on down the line, but this would be the same thing going from an i3 to an i7. Also jumping to any new top end CPU is expensive, the 2700x the AMD new top end one costs around the same as the 8700k.

End of the day pick the product that is best for you at the time, because the upgrade path you talk about isn't so much of a thing and never truely has been due to too many limitations. Also CPU's are lasting longer now than they ever have been ever, they have for the most part reached a limit, thats why we only see small jumps every year. making our processors last an insanely good time, meaning getting an R7 or I7 will last you years now

#5527272 Posted on: 03/11/2018 11:51 AM

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Ricepudding

You forgot that Intel had been wasting our time for 5 years, starting from Ivy Bridge and ending with Kaby Lake. I bet they would still do it but Ryzen came out.

As you may've heard, Intel will release an 8-core CPU, I'm sure it will be Icelake i9 for mainstream (because it's easier to make money with i9 than with i7, lol) - you cannot say that there won't be enough difference between 6/12 and 8/16, so you may want to upgrade in a couple of years and you have no options if you own a Coffee Lake-based PC because it's not upgradable, the best CPU you can get without buying a new motherboard is i7-8700K and its price won't drop because check the prices of the older generations at ark.intel.com - they cost the same.

As for Ryzen upgradability - watch
I'm pretty sure the guy says that socket AM4 will exist till 2020. Thus there are to be 4 generations that support the AM4 - Zen (2017), Zen+ (2018), Zen2 (2019), Zen3 (2020).

Take into account that it's always cool to be able to just replace your CPU and keep the rest.

#5527296 Posted on: 03/11/2018 04:45 PM

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The only things that you might miss out on by sticking to AM4 for as long as AMD will is PCIe Gen 4 and native 10 Gb ethernet.

Certainly not a serious loss for most people.