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AMD planned they would only offer ZEN3 support for Series 500 motherboard chipsets, the reversed that decision and stated 32MB BIOS ready motherboards can support ZEN3. Now MSI mentions Zen 3 support on its AMD 400-series Chipset Motherboards with 16MB ROMs.
Yeah, not confusing at all eh? But it's sufficient to say there will be wide support from motherboard manufacturers on the Series 400 chipset platform for ZEN3. Eric van Beurden over at MSI in a presentation confirmed that with the non-MAX motherboards (16MB BIOS) will get Zen 3 support as well as MAX (32MB BIOS) versions with a 'selective BIOS' option.
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#5793818 Posted on: 05/29/2020 04:08 PM
In the design of an x86 protected mode processor.
Errata are public information, and things such as rom addressing capabilities are more or less public info with heavy redaction, no-name vendors are entitled to implementing the routing for a cpu from either company without having to reverse engineer their way through it.
Also reverse engineering is a fact: if there was any such limit it would have been made known well before now.
PSP firmware is handled in SMU, so if you're going to argue that the firmware is the issue you're basically saying theres not a hardware limitation at all.
PSP is also a 32-bit ARM Cortex-A5, there are no concerns of rom length in these at all, given they have been used in android devices to boot 200+MB roms.
Nah, I'm alluding the fact that he got an intern on the line and not a real bios engineer, which btw, do not work at mainboard manufacturers - firmware blob developers =/= bios engineer.
Bios engineers work for the companies making the programmable flash rom and develop the container structure that the option-roms and blobs are segmented into.
Again: where's your evidence that his claims are wrong?
In the design of an x86 protected mode processor.
Anyway, much of that information would be classified.
Errata are public information, and things such as rom addressing capabilities are more or less public info with heavy redaction, no-name vendors are entitled to implementing the routing for a cpu from either company without having to reverse engineer their way through it.
Also reverse engineering is a fact: if there was any such limit it would have been made known well before now.
The hardware might be the same but as every PC enthusiast knows, hardware is only as good as the software/firmware
PSP firmware is handled in SMU, so if you're going to argue that the firmware is the issue you're basically saying theres not a hardware limitation at all.
PSP is also a 32-bit ARM Cortex-A5, there are no concerns of rom length in these at all, given they have been used in android devices to boot 200+MB roms.
But you're making him out to be waaaaay more corrupt and inept than he really is.
Nah, I'm alluding the fact that he got an intern on the line and not a real bios engineer, which btw, do not work at mainboard manufacturers - firmware blob developers =/= bios engineer.
Bios engineers work for the companies making the programmable flash rom and develop the container structure that the option-roms and blobs are segmented into.
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#5793826 Posted on: 05/29/2020 04:13 PM
no he doesn't, he has a media-relations contact in some companies that may or may not fob him off with nonsense.
He is complicit in the scam of pushing the myth that thermal compound stops working with age along with his buddy derpbauer who surprise surprise, sells the stuff.
To accurately make a claim about what a cpu can and can't do, a real engineer contact would have redacted and supplied proof, technical briefs and erratta.
None of which exists, nor has been confirmed by anybody who works with and compiles their own security customized firmwares within my circles.
And I have looked into the concerns that the security processor could be a factor, but that was ruled out because Zen 2 uses the same PSP as Zen+ Then why don't you provide us with information and sources that you looked into this because it seems like it to me that you are all talk here. Hence to me that you're gathering information out of thin air without any research at all.
*facepalm*
something anybody could get.
its pointless, they want to worship their precious youtuber whose information had no confirming technical data provided. Yet you don't post any sources for your information that proves to us that the tech YouTubers are wrong.
no he doesn't, he has a media-relations contact in some companies that may or may not fob him off with nonsense.
He is complicit in the scam of pushing the myth that thermal compound stops working with age along with his buddy derpbauer who surprise surprise, sells the stuff.
To accurately make a claim about what a cpu can and can't do, a real engineer contact would have redacted and supplied proof, technical briefs and erratta.
None of which exists, nor has been confirmed by anybody who works with and compiles their own security customized firmwares within my circles.
And I have looked into the concerns that the security processor could be a factor, but that was ruled out because Zen 2 uses the same PSP as Zen+ Then why don't you provide us with information and sources that you looked into this because it seems like it to me that you are all talk here. Hence to me that you're gathering information out of thin air without any research at all.
*facepalm*
something anybody could get.
its pointless, they want to worship their precious youtuber whose information had no confirming technical data provided. Yet you don't post any sources for your information that proves to us that the tech YouTubers are wrong.
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#5793827 Posted on: 05/29/2020 04:20 PM
You are not entitled to my sources, some of which buy up retail hardware and re-write the firmware themselves.
on the other hand, the fact you are immersing in unsourced, unqualified, undocumented crud from a youtube video where nobody put their names up, really demonstrates your capacity to seek out actual information for yourself
Then why don't you provide us with information and sources that you looked into this because it seems like it to me that you are all talk here. Hence to me that you're gathering information out of thin air without any research at all.
You are not entitled to my sources, some of which buy up retail hardware and re-write the firmware themselves.
on the other hand, the fact you are immersing in unsourced, unqualified, undocumented crud from a youtube video where nobody put their names up, really demonstrates your capacity to seek out actual information for yourself
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#5793828 Posted on: 05/29/2020 04:21 PM
You are not entitled to my sources, some of which buy up retail hardware and re-write the firmware themselves.
on the other hand, the fact you are immersing in unsourced, unqualified, undocumented crud from a youtube video where nobody put their names up, really demonstrates your capacity to seek out actual information for yourself Then I don't believe a word that comes out of your mouth because you are talking baseless nonsense in my mind. Also you are insulting other people for no reason what so ever so it is hard to take you seriously.
You are not entitled to my sources, some of which buy up retail hardware and re-write the firmware themselves.
on the other hand, the fact you are immersing in unsourced, unqualified, undocumented crud from a youtube video where nobody put their names up, really demonstrates your capacity to seek out actual information for yourself Then I don't believe a word that comes out of your mouth because you are talking baseless nonsense in my mind. Also you are insulting other people for no reason what so ever so it is hard to take you seriously.
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He is complicit in the scam of pushing the myth that thermal compound stops working with age along with his buddy derpbauer who surprise surprise, sells the stuff.
First of all, he takes sponsorships from other thermal compound manufacturers, so, your logic is already breaking. But also, where's the evidence this is a myth? I'm not saying it isn't one, but where's the contradictory data?
Regardless of the truth in the matter, it only matters to serious overclockers, which is the entire point of buying 3rd party compound. To everyone else, it is irrelevant.
To accurately make a claim about what a cpu can and can't do, a real engineer contact would have redacted and supplied proof, technical briefs and erratta.
Again: where's your evidence that his claims are wrong? If he were to consistently lie (and speaking of which, why would he lie over such oddly specific things?) then companies would drop his support real fast.
Anyway, much of that information would be classified. He can be told enough to report on the gist of it but that doesn't mean he can show the inner-workings of all the engineering data. It's not really much different than review embargos: the reviewer has information that they're not allowed to release. Does that mean they haven't actually tested the product?
None of which exists, nor has been confirmed by anybody who works with and compiles their own security customized firmwares within my circles.
Nor denied. Tech reviewers are influential. Companies don't want them spreading rumors and hurting their reputation. The entire reason they're sent samples is because of getting the product recognition, not so people have a reason to avoid buying them.
One of my primary sources for tech news is phoronix.com. A few years ago, AMD refused to send free samples for either CPUs or GPUs because every time, Michael show how badly they would lose in benchmarks and it wasn't doing them any favors. In order to remain impartial, he would buy the hardware himself. The reason I bring this up is because the same sort of thing happens to tech Youtubers: they express their dissatisfaction (and since it is on video, you hear the tone of it too, not just the words) and sometimes they're cut off from samples, forcing them to buy the product instead. That's not how you make a living, so surely spreading lies is not in their best interest.
And I have looked into the concerns that the security processor could be a factor, but that was ruled out because Zen 2 uses the same PSP as Zen+
The hardware might be the same but as every PC enthusiast knows, hardware is only as good as the software/firmware
*facepalm*
something anybody could get.
Ok, go book an in-depth factory tour at MSI and post your experience. I'll wait.
I don't even care that much about Steve. Like I said, I'm not a subscriber. But you're making him out to be waaaaay more corrupt and inept than he really is. It's good to be skeptical but you're just outright rejecting the possibility of truth.