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Mozilla not happy about Microsoft moving to Chromium project
Mozilla not happy about Microsoft moving to Chromium project, the devs of the Mozilla project can smell the competition and claim by adopting Chromium, “Microsoft hands over control of even more of online life to Google”.
Last week the news surfaced that Microsoft will be replacing the Edge browser based on Edgehtml with an engine based on the Chromium engine, reports myce.
Mozilla in their argument thinks the swap to Chromium would bring Google even more control over the web and potentially make it harder for Firefox. Mozilla’s CEO, Chris Beard writes, “will Microsoft’s decision make it harder for Firefox to prosper? It could. Making Google more powerful is risky on many fronts.”
Beard fears that Google will soon have a monopoly on the internet. He writes about that, “If one product like Chromium has enough market share, then it becomes easier for web developers and businesses to decide not to worry if their services and sites work with anything other than Chromium. That’s what happened when Microsoft had a monopoly on browsers in the early 2000s before Firefox was released. And it could happen again.”
Beard also writes he understands that from Microsoft’s business point of view it’s no longer profitable to fight Google, but stresses how important it is that not a single company has control over the internet. He writes, “from a social, civic and individual empowerment perspective ceding control of fundamental online infrastructure to a single company is terrible. This is why Mozilla exists. We compete with Google not because it’s a good business opportunity. We compete with Google because the health of the internet and online life depend on competition and choice.”
Therefore, Beard calls for users that care about the web to try Firefox again for at least a week. Especially users who haven’t used the browser the last two years should notice it’s “radically better”. He concludes his call for a more diverse web with, “your use helps web developers and businesses think beyond Chrome. And this helps Firefox and Mozilla make overall life on the internet better — more choice, more security options, more competition.”
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#5615862 Posted on: 12/10/2018 07:22 PM
I prefer Firefox and use it daily as my main web browser, but I think they're just salty because Microsoft chose Chromium.
I prefer Firefox and use it daily as my main web browser, but I think they're just salty because Microsoft chose Chromium.
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#5615900 Posted on: 12/10/2018 08:57 PM
well in current internet world, people just pick what "easiest+smoothest" for them
just realize why u pick ur current browser? simply because it work-best for u right ?
if firefox create better browser for most people, they will jump in...
but rivaling google isnt easy ... android with default chrome browser is like windows - IE
that alone enough to survive quite time like IE
but then with chrome, google succesful creating something that most people dont hate ... not like IE
like easy sync between smartphone to pc is really convinient ... although firefox have such addons
but before using firefox, they already got and use chrome, and as for most people, they wont see any difference between 2 browser... they will use what they got in first place
i myself been switch various browser, firefox-chrome and other custom-build-browser
still main on firefox for several reasons... in past firefox addons really much better than chrome, but now both got same addons, like playstore & apps-store
well in current internet world, people just pick what "easiest+smoothest" for them
just realize why u pick ur current browser? simply because it work-best for u right ?
if firefox create better browser for most people, they will jump in...
but rivaling google isnt easy ... android with default chrome browser is like windows - IE
that alone enough to survive quite time like IE
but then with chrome, google succesful creating something that most people dont hate ... not like IE
like easy sync between smartphone to pc is really convinient ... although firefox have such addons
but before using firefox, they already got and use chrome, and as for most people, they wont see any difference between 2 browser... they will use what they got in first place
i myself been switch various browser, firefox-chrome and other custom-build-browser
still main on firefox for several reasons... in past firefox addons really much better than chrome, but now both got same addons, like playstore & apps-store
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#5615907 Posted on: 12/10/2018 09:11 PM
well in current internet world, people just pick what "easiest+smoothest" for them
just realize why u pick ur current browser? simply because it work-best for u right ?
if firefox create better browser for most people, they will jump in...
People pick the path of least resistance. That doesn't mean they pick the easiest, smoothest, or best choice. Internet Explorer is a solid example of this - it survived far longer than it should have, simply because it came with Windows and had a very generic name that was easy to understand.
Firefox isn't behind Chrome because it's inferior, it's because Chrome has a multi-billion dollar corporation behind it, and itss engine appeals to others like Apple and MS. Chrome is also pre-packaged with a bunch of other programs, and is sometimes advertised when browsing Google. All of this led up to its success.
Considering how tiny Mozilla is and the lack of resources to really get Firefox out there, it's actually pretty amazing Firefox can even compete at all.
well in current internet world, people just pick what "easiest+smoothest" for them
just realize why u pick ur current browser? simply because it work-best for u right ?
if firefox create better browser for most people, they will jump in...
People pick the path of least resistance. That doesn't mean they pick the easiest, smoothest, or best choice. Internet Explorer is a solid example of this - it survived far longer than it should have, simply because it came with Windows and had a very generic name that was easy to understand.
Firefox isn't behind Chrome because it's inferior, it's because Chrome has a multi-billion dollar corporation behind it, and itss engine appeals to others like Apple and MS. Chrome is also pre-packaged with a bunch of other programs, and is sometimes advertised when browsing Google. All of this led up to its success.
Considering how tiny Mozilla is and the lack of resources to really get Firefox out there, it's actually pretty amazing Firefox can even compete at all.
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#5615920 Posted on: 12/10/2018 09:45 PM
Surely the only people who will start using Edge chromium edition are already Edge users?
Surely the only people who will start using Edge chromium edition are already Edge users?
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#5615923 Posted on: 12/10/2018 10:04 PM
People pick the path of least resistance. That doesn't mean they pick the easiest, smoothest, or best choice. Internet Explorer is a solid example of this - it survived far longer than it should have, simply because it came with Windows and had a very generic name that was easy to understand.
Firefox isn't behind Chrome because it's inferior, it's because Chrome has a multi-billion dollar corporation behind it, and itss engine appeals to others like Apple and MS. Chrome is also pre-packaged with a bunch of other programs, and is sometimes advertised when browsing Google. All of this led up to its success.
Considering how tiny Mozilla is and the lack of resources to really get Firefox out there, it's actually pretty amazing Firefox can even compete at all.
Well....Google agreed to pay Mozilla just under a billion dollars over three years in exchange for keeping Google as its default search engine...
Revenue US$ 562.3 million...in 2017
People pick the path of least resistance. That doesn't mean they pick the easiest, smoothest, or best choice. Internet Explorer is a solid example of this - it survived far longer than it should have, simply because it came with Windows and had a very generic name that was easy to understand.
Firefox isn't behind Chrome because it's inferior, it's because Chrome has a multi-billion dollar corporation behind it, and itss engine appeals to others like Apple and MS. Chrome is also pre-packaged with a bunch of other programs, and is sometimes advertised when browsing Google. All of this led up to its success.
Considering how tiny Mozilla is and the lack of resources to really get Firefox out there, it's actually pretty amazing Firefox can even compete at all.
Well....Google agreed to pay Mozilla just under a billion dollars over three years in exchange for keeping Google as its default search engine...
Revenue US$ 562.3 million...in 2017
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#5615927 Posted on: 12/10/2018 10:27 PM
I don't blame Microsoft for adopting Chromium - Edge was going nowhere fast. This probably won't change much as Edge wasn't a big player anyways, but it's symbolically important - MS capitulating to Google. I can understand why Mozilla would be upset but I think this was more-or-less inevitable - Google has already won the second browser wars.
As for me, I use Chrome since I want to keep things synced across desktop and mobile. I also use a lot of Google services (my photos and videos on Google Photos, music subscription to Google Music, YouTube for videos) so I'm heavily invested in the Google ecosystem overall.
I don't blame Microsoft for adopting Chromium - Edge was going nowhere fast. This probably won't change much as Edge wasn't a big player anyways, but it's symbolically important - MS capitulating to Google. I can understand why Mozilla would be upset but I think this was more-or-less inevitable - Google has already won the second browser wars.
As for me, I use Chrome since I want to keep things synced across desktop and mobile. I also use a lot of Google services (my photos and videos on Google Photos, music subscription to Google Music, YouTube for videos) so I'm heavily invested in the Google ecosystem overall.
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#5615929 Posted on: 12/10/2018 10:30 PM
You can do pretty much all of that in Firefox too, it just takes slightly more work since it doesn't tend to come with any phones.
As for me, I use Chrome since I want to keep things synced across desktop and mobile. I also use a lot of Google services (my photos and videos on Google Photos, music subscription to Google Music, YouTube for videos) so I'm heavily invested in the Google ecosystem overall.
You can do pretty much all of that in Firefox too, it just takes slightly more work since it doesn't tend to come with any phones.
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#5615934 Posted on: 12/10/2018 10:43 PM
Not to mention the Chinese spyware integrated into opera a couple of years ago.
Boohoo, boohuh, but Opera died long time ago. I remember how it USED to be a good, fast and non-intrusive browser... Up to, like, version 5.0 (10 years ago, or so). Lately, it has become a terrible piece of bloatware.
Not to mention the Chinese spyware integrated into opera a couple of years ago.
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#5615943 Posted on: 12/10/2018 11:13 PM
Edge will use Chrome extensions. Cool. Lets see how it turns out. As much as I hated Edge earlier on, its kind or grown on me. I dont mind using it now.. (for up to 10 minutes
). FF still my main one.
Edge will use Chrome extensions. Cool. Lets see how it turns out. As much as I hated Edge earlier on, its kind or grown on me. I dont mind using it now.. (for up to 10 minutes
). FF still my main one.
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#5615962 Posted on: 12/11/2018 12:13 AM
maybe firefox shouldn't have sold out to the common pleb and developed towards their poweruser base instead.
maybe firefox shouldn't have sold out to the common pleb and developed towards their poweruser base instead.
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#5615963 Posted on: 12/11/2018 12:14 AM
Bullshit.
I've tried Firefox countless times over the years, including a couple of times in the last few months, and every single time, within minutes, I've run across a website that does not work correctly, or renders so badly as to make the site unusable. I'm sorry, Firefox. Get your act together and I'll use your browser.
Bullshit.
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#5615966 Posted on: 12/11/2018 12:18 AM
Link to sites that don't work under FF, if it is within minutes they should be pretty easy to find
I've tried Firefox countless times over the years, including a couple of times in the last few months, and every single time, within minutes, I've run across a website that does not work correctly, or renders so badly as to make the site unusable. I'm sorry, Firefox. Get your act together and I'll use your browser.
Link to sites that don't work under FF, if it is within minutes they should be pretty easy to find
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#5615968 Posted on: 12/11/2018 12:20 AM
Google does it better. I can see why it's more popular. If Google ends up owning the Net it's because no one else had what it took to beat google. Sounds like we have some butt hurt dev's from firefox that can't get their $h*t together.
netscape navigator is by far a better browser.
Google does it better. I can see why it's more popular. If Google ends up owning the Net it's because no one else had what it took to beat google. Sounds like we have some butt hurt dev's from firefox that can't get their $h*t together.
netscape navigator is by far a better browser.
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#5616004 Posted on: 12/11/2018 02:27 AM
I love how Mozilla's CEO blames MS for events of the "early 2000s".... Mozilla Foundation made the decision in 1998 to sell Netscape Corp to America Online, only to later release the Mozilla browser and then replace it with Firefox. Mozilla could have simply held onto Netscape Corporation and transitioned those users to Firefox when the browser was ready. Instead, they willingly gave up their "browser market share" to America Online who eventually ruined the Netscape browser. When you willingly sell market share, you have no right to complain about the end result....
I love how Mozilla's CEO blames MS for events of the "early 2000s".... Mozilla Foundation made the decision in 1998 to sell Netscape Corp to America Online, only to later release the Mozilla browser and then replace it with Firefox. Mozilla could have simply held onto Netscape Corporation and transitioned those users to Firefox when the browser was ready. Instead, they willingly gave up their "browser market share" to America Online who eventually ruined the Netscape browser. When you willingly sell market share, you have no right to complain about the end result....
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Boohoo, boohuh, but Opera died long time ago. I remember how it USED to be a good, fast and non-intrusive browser... Up to, like, version 5.0 (10 years ago, or so). Lately, it has become a terrible piece of bloatware.