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Microsoft will not support older Windows versions on upcoming PC Hardware
Yes, you need to read that line twice, let me rewrite it. Microsoft will force Windows 10 on all new PC hardware. The company has changed hardware requirements for supporting older versions of Windows, by only supporting new silicon on Windows 10 moving forward.
Neowin reports this today after carefully reading a company blog;
While consumers are quicker to upgrade their hardware and software, businesses are usually more conservative, and the process can take years, the new Microsoft is not that patient. The company has changed hardware requirements for supporting older versions of Windows, by only supporting new silicon on Windows 10 moving forward.
Compared to Windows 7 PC’s, Skylake when combined with Windows 10, enables up to 30x better graphics and 3x the battery life – with the unmatched security of Credential Guard utilizing silicon supported virtualization.
That being said, Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 will continue to receive updates through January 14, 2020 and January 10, 2023 respectively, and Microsoft is offering to help enterprises in the transition to Windows 10, by creating a list of "specific new Skylake devices we will support to run Windows 7 and Windows 8.1" through July 17, 2017.
Going forward, as new silicon generations are introduced, they will require the latest Windows platform at that time for support. This enables us to focus on deep integration between Windows and the silicon, while maintaining maximum reliability and compatibility with previous generations of platform and silicon. For example, Windows 10 will be the only supported Windows platform on Intel’s upcoming “Kaby Lake” silicon, Qualcomm’s upcoming “8996” silicon, and AMD’s upcoming “Bristol Ridge” silicon.
Even though the PC market is in decline, the PC is still alive and kicking, and remains relevant due to evolving categories and innovative new features, as we've seen at this year's CES and Microsoft's"Windows 10 Devices" event last October.
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#5220128 Posted on: 01/18/2016 11:15 AM
Seems like the crack pipe is again being passed around at MS board level.
Unless MS are actually trying to get out of enterprise, in this age of austerity and ultra-tight IT budgets, attempting to force enterprise customers to embark on large-scale IT migration projects seems quite suicidal to me.
I think this is fair, a company upgrading to the the technologies in question, which haven't even come out yet, would most likely be upgrading their support software (the OS) anyway.
Seems like the crack pipe is again being passed around at MS board level.
Unless MS are actually trying to get out of enterprise, in this age of austerity and ultra-tight IT budgets, attempting to force enterprise customers to embark on large-scale IT migration projects seems quite suicidal to me.
I think this is fair, a company upgrading to the the technologies in question, which haven't even come out yet, would most likely be upgrading their support software (the OS) anyway.
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#5220132 Posted on: 01/18/2016 11:19 AM
"Compared to Windows 7 PC’s, Skylake when combined with Windows 10, enables up to 30x better graphics"
Wow. I smell bull****
"Compared to Windows 7 PC’s, Skylake when combined with Windows 10, enables up to 30x better graphics"
Wow. I smell bull****
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#5220133 Posted on: 01/18/2016 11:31 AM
2 solutions available to make them "reconsider" and "pay" for their foolishness
1) Piracy
2) GNU
From the era of Windows 7, MS never got into consideration our arguments about the course Windows 8 and their next versions were going.
2 solutions available to make them "reconsider" and "pay" for their foolishness
1) Piracy
2) GNU
From the era of Windows 7, MS never got into consideration our arguments about the course Windows 8 and their next versions were going.
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#5220145 Posted on: 01/18/2016 11:59 AM
"That being said, Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 will continue to receive updates through January 14, 2020 and January 10, 2023 respectively."
This is what I want to read and its clear enough.
"That being said, Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 will continue to receive updates through January 14, 2020 and January 10, 2023 respectively."
This is what I want to read and its clear enough.
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#5220151 Posted on: 01/18/2016 12:11 PM
So desperate.
So desperate.
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#5220153 Posted on: 01/18/2016 12:17 PM
Have MS just sealed the fate of hardware companies?
If I was out for a new build, and I knew I 'had' to install 10 to have it work, I wouldn't buy it
Have MS just sealed the fate of hardware companies?
If I was out for a new build, and I knew I 'had' to install 10 to have it work, I wouldn't buy it
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#5220154 Posted on: 01/18/2016 12:21 PM
it's a bit more complicated... in company the update is motivated by 2 thing:
-the IT needs
-the comptability service and the law (exemple my telsa unit will cost nothing in 3 year despite the real cost is lot more).
not taking care about that is the reason why M$ have lost heavy contract with major company in favor of open source and linux distribution (governement, security, industry...) in here.
globalisation don't mean "everyone with our rule", but "take care of each other rule" (but i know it is hard for US company lol).
it's a bit more complicated... in company the update is motivated by 2 thing:
-the IT needs
-the comptability service and the law (exemple my telsa unit will cost nothing in 3 year despite the real cost is lot more).
not taking care about that is the reason why M$ have lost heavy contract with major company in favor of open source and linux distribution (governement, security, industry...) in here.
globalisation don't mean "everyone with our rule", but "take care of each other rule" (but i know it is hard for US company lol).
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#5220155 Posted on: 01/18/2016 12:23 PM
... on solitaire?
"Compared to Windows 7 PC’s, Skylake when combined with Windows 10, enables up to 30x better graphics"
... on solitaire?
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#5220157 Posted on: 01/18/2016 12:28 PM
Translation : Go get a W10 becouse we dont give a sh1t anymore.
Translation : Go get a W10 becouse we dont give a sh1t anymore.
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#5220170 Posted on: 01/18/2016 01:10 PM
Has Microsoft ever supported newer hardware functionality on older OS's?
I can't even think of an example of where the OS ties into the processor (aside from driver stuff obviously) like it does in the example they gave.
I guess I'm not seeing the issue here. It seems like it's the same way it's always been and people are just making a big deal out of it.
Has Microsoft ever supported newer hardware functionality on older OS's?
I can't even think of an example of where the OS ties into the processor (aside from driver stuff obviously) like it does in the example they gave.
I guess I'm not seeing the issue here. It seems like it's the same way it's always been and people are just making a big deal out of it.
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#5220174 Posted on: 01/18/2016 01:14 PM
Good. I was waiting for some dumb move like this. Maybe more people will notice Linux.
Many of my friends are using Windows only because games, but now more and more games works on Linux so... I hope that this is beginning of the end of Windows supremacy (at last).
Good. I was waiting for some dumb move like this. Maybe more people will notice Linux.
Many of my friends are using Windows only because games, but now more and more games works on Linux so... I hope that this is beginning of the end of Windows supremacy (at last).
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#5220176 Posted on: 01/18/2016 01:17 PM
Good. I was waiting for some dumb move like this. Maybe more people will notice Linux.
Many of my friends are using Windows only because games, but now more and more games works on Linux so... I hope that this is beginning of the end of Windows supremacy (at last).
Nope, Linux will never take over Windows, Linux is a PITA in just about everything vs Windows, not just game support
Good. I was waiting for some dumb move like this. Maybe more people will notice Linux.
Many of my friends are using Windows only because games, but now more and more games works on Linux so... I hope that this is beginning of the end of Windows supremacy (at last).
Nope, Linux will never take over Windows, Linux is a PITA in just about everything vs Windows, not just game support
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#5220179 Posted on: 01/18/2016 01:19 PM
NSA memo to Microsoft:
"Giving our spyware away for free to your users has not worked - now you must force your users to change to our spyware program. Compensation as always will be handsomely provided. Regards, Global Elite C/A NSA"
NSA memo to Microsoft:
"Giving our spyware away for free to your users has not worked - now you must force your users to change to our spyware program. Compensation as always will be handsomely provided. Regards, Global Elite C/A NSA"
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#5220182 Posted on: 01/18/2016 01:24 PM
I don't see an issue with this.
Windows 7 get support until 2020, windows 8.1 2023 - what IT manager would use a system beyond that? They are probably already using windows 10 and have replaced windows 7 anyway.
I can understand if they are using a legacy application which was a big investment for them and is used across a large userbase, like a POS system, but such a system would already have a replacement/renewal date date already factored in.
And, are we not talking about pre-built systems here? Not bespoke designs/builds?
In other words, IF you have got a legit copy and licence of Windows 7 and install it prior to the support date expiring - you can get all the updates you want and run it beyond the expiry date unsupported, on whatever hardware you want.
What am I missing here?
I don't see an issue with this.
Windows 7 get support until 2020, windows 8.1 2023 - what IT manager would use a system beyond that? They are probably already using windows 10 and have replaced windows 7 anyway.
I can understand if they are using a legacy application which was a big investment for them and is used across a large userbase, like a POS system, but such a system would already have a replacement/renewal date date already factored in.
And, are we not talking about pre-built systems here? Not bespoke designs/builds?
In other words, IF you have got a legit copy and licence of Windows 7 and install it prior to the support date expiring - you can get all the updates you want and run it beyond the expiry date unsupported, on whatever hardware you want.
What am I missing here?
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Seems like the crack pipe is again being passed around at MS board level.
Unless MS are actually trying to get out of enterprise, in this age of austerity and ultra-tight IT budgets, attempting to force enterprise customers to embark on large-scale IT migration projects seems quite suicidal to me.