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Microsoft may aim to implement an indirect system requirement for Windows 11 out-of-box systems e.g pre fabricated PCs.
The corporation is requesting that SSDs be used as the primary storage device in all pre-built PCs reports toms hardware. This should be the case by 2023, despite opposition from manufacturers. The current deadlines for the switchover are set for 2023. Trendfocus reports that OEMs have disclosed Microsoft is pushing them to drop HDDs in Windows 11 PCs.
Microsoft's most recent list of hardware requirements for Windows 11 speaks for a "64 GB or bigger storage device," thus an SSD is not a need for a regular install. Microsoft mandates that two functions, DirectStorage and the Windows Subsystem for Android, need an SSD, although you are not required to utilize these features. It is unknown if Microsoft intends to modify the minimum requirements for Windows 11 PCs after the 2023 transition to SSDs for pre-built systems. The initiative to compel OEMs to utilize SSDs instead of HDDs for boot volumes makes a great deal of sense from a performance perspective, since SSDs are orders of magnitude quicker than hard drives for operating systems, resulting in a snappier, more responsive user experience.
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#6024952 Posted on: 06/13/2022 10:06 AM
The SSD is a good point, but i hope that they will not do like they have done with W10 and SD card to oblige people to have a single OS to boot on: Windows
Maybe not enough RAM, below 32g it tend to be slower, at least from what i have seen.
Windows never have been so much "friendly" with other OS than with Windows 11 (exept for booting on them, i agree).
And Apple doesn't change hardware to get rid of Windows, but to be a step ahead in hardware.
Yesterday, a friend let me test his new toy: the big iMac Studio (with M1 ultra: 20 cores CPU, 64 cores GPU and 32 cores NE), it's not the new M2 but my 1st thinking were "OMG it's so tiny but what a beast".
And yes it is still friendly with Windows in emulation for program.
Same impression with the 16" MacBook Pro with M1 Max for about six months now. I'm using the one with the 10 core CPU / 24 core GPU, but the full bandwidth memory. It's the first laptop I've ever used that can be a real desktop replacement (keep in mind I have a 5950x with a 3090 and everything is NVMe, lol), with retaining the ability of being portable for at least 8 hours without any perceivable performance loss.
On top of that, you have the screen which is 0-120Hz VRR with microLED.
In case anyone says tHeRe aRe WinDowS lAPtoPs tHAt dO thAT, no there aren't. It's literally part of my job to find them. They either fail on something, either performance, getting clogged down, bad/insufficient cooling systems, and/or battery life. They might appear to have similar specs on paper, but up to now there has been nothing like this for actual heavy daily use.
Only AMD systems might get close to this, but now they introduced M2, which means that the baseline is higher again. Also AMD systems with the latest APUs are hard to find and source, especially alongside a good chassis. Even if the hardware is good, Windows, unfortunately, falls short, especially for productivity. It is still very inconsistent as an OS for work usage, and at this point it doesn't even have the performance benefit.
Of course, if you want to play games, macOS is still worse, but especially for work purposes, I really wished we had no Windows users and I could give everyone a MacBook Air and be done. Our incident rate is literally 80% lower on macOS and Mac hardware in general, compared to a fleet of various HP (Elitebook mainly, so not the crap stuff), Lenovo and DELL XPS models.
The SSD is a good point, but i hope that they will not do like they have done with W10 and SD card to oblige people to have a single OS to boot on: Windows
Maybe not enough RAM, below 32g it tend to be slower, at least from what i have seen.
Windows never have been so much "friendly" with other OS than with Windows 11 (exept for booting on them, i agree).
And Apple doesn't change hardware to get rid of Windows, but to be a step ahead in hardware.
Yesterday, a friend let me test his new toy: the big iMac Studio (with M1 ultra: 20 cores CPU, 64 cores GPU and 32 cores NE), it's not the new M2 but my 1st thinking were "OMG it's so tiny but what a beast".
And yes it is still friendly with Windows in emulation for program.
Same impression with the 16" MacBook Pro with M1 Max for about six months now. I'm using the one with the 10 core CPU / 24 core GPU, but the full bandwidth memory. It's the first laptop I've ever used that can be a real desktop replacement (keep in mind I have a 5950x with a 3090 and everything is NVMe, lol), with retaining the ability of being portable for at least 8 hours without any perceivable performance loss.
On top of that, you have the screen which is 0-120Hz VRR with microLED.
In case anyone says tHeRe aRe WinDowS lAPtoPs tHAt dO thAT, no there aren't. It's literally part of my job to find them. They either fail on something, either performance, getting clogged down, bad/insufficient cooling systems, and/or battery life. They might appear to have similar specs on paper, but up to now there has been nothing like this for actual heavy daily use.
Only AMD systems might get close to this, but now they introduced M2, which means that the baseline is higher again. Also AMD systems with the latest APUs are hard to find and source, especially alongside a good chassis. Even if the hardware is good, Windows, unfortunately, falls short, especially for productivity. It is still very inconsistent as an OS for work usage, and at this point it doesn't even have the performance benefit.
Of course, if you want to play games, macOS is still worse, but especially for work purposes, I really wished we had no Windows users and I could give everyone a MacBook Air and be done. Our incident rate is literally 80% lower on macOS and Mac hardware in general, compared to a fleet of various HP (Elitebook mainly, so not the crap stuff), Lenovo and DELL XPS models.
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#6024974 Posted on: 06/13/2022 12:57 PM
32GB of RAM!? Seriously? That's absurdly unacceptable for the most basic tasks like updates, shutting down, and opening a menu. No other OS is as slow. A budget Android phone from 5 years ago and only 2GB of RAM can run updates, shut down, and show you your list of apps in less time than Windows 10. I've updated Mac OSX on a Core2 Duo and a mechanical HDD that could perform these tasks faster than a modern Windows 10 PC with 4x the system resources and a M.2 SSD. I can do a fresh install of a bloated Linux disto and get it fully updated faster than Windows can apply 1 month of updates on the same computer.
lol i agree on that, but with 16g and 32g on my pc, Windows 11 were slower than when i pass to 64g (i have only 2 ram bank on my motherboard).
Also, passing on Linux is not a bad idea
32GB of RAM!? Seriously? That's absurdly unacceptable for the most basic tasks like updates, shutting down, and opening a menu. No other OS is as slow. A budget Android phone from 5 years ago and only 2GB of RAM can run updates, shut down, and show you your list of apps in less time than Windows 10. I've updated Mac OSX on a Core2 Duo and a mechanical HDD that could perform these tasks faster than a modern Windows 10 PC with 4x the system resources and a M.2 SSD. I can do a fresh install of a bloated Linux disto and get it fully updated faster than Windows can apply 1 month of updates on the same computer.
lol i agree on that, but with 16g and 32g on my pc, Windows 11 were slower than when i pass to 64g (i have only 2 ram bank on my motherboard).
Also, passing on Linux is not a bad idea
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#6024977 Posted on: 06/13/2022 01:13 PM
Raptor 10.000 rpm it is here since 2005, at double the price than regular 7200 of that era.
WD it does has the know-how at making high speed HDD, we owners of professional workstations, we are willing to pay something more for having WD Gold series at 10.000 rpm.
But do not forget that most people they do buy budged HDD with low cache by choice.
I had 4 raptors in RAID 10 in an old workstation, far slower than the SSDs I moved to and its not even close.
Raptor 10.000 rpm it is here since 2005, at double the price than regular 7200 of that era.
WD it does has the know-how at making high speed HDD, we owners of professional workstations, we are willing to pay something more for having WD Gold series at 10.000 rpm.
But do not forget that most people they do buy budged HDD with low cache by choice.
I had 4 raptors in RAID 10 in an old workstation, far slower than the SSDs I moved to and its not even close.
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#6025073 Posted on: 06/13/2022 09:08 PM
you only need above 32 if you have a crap tonne of vendor junk running to update your rgb.
32GB of RAM!? Seriously? That's absurdly unacceptable for the most basic tasks like updates, shutting down, and opening a menu. No other OS is as slow. A budget Android phone from 5 years ago and only 2GB of RAM can run updates, shut down, and show you your list of apps in less time than Windows 10. I've updated Mac OSX on a Core2 Duo and a mechanical HDD that could perform these tasks faster than a modern Windows 10 PC with 4x the system resources and a M.2 SSD. I can do a fresh install of a bloated Linux disto and get it fully updated faster than Windows can apply 1 month of updates on the same computer.
you only need above 32 if you have a crap tonne of vendor junk running to update your rgb.
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Please. OEMs cause a lot of problems.
Vista days, shipping vista ready PCs with 512mb or 1024mb ram PCs with single channel DDR2 533. This kinda nonsense still going on.
Most people buying a PC arent going for massive storage. A 256gb ssd, 500gb mechanical rig isn't gonna be expensive for an everyday computer.
And its rather cheap for the user to order a 2tb mechanical 2.5 inch portable HD as well. You got that right that it is still happening shipping PCs with single channel DDR4 and they are supposed to be gaming PCs in the case that I am talking about. It is ridiculous.