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The corporation is requesting that SSDs be used as the primary storage device in all pre-built PCs reports toms hardware. This should be the case by 2023, despite opposition from manufacturers. The current deadlines for the switchover are set for 2023. Trendfocus reports that OEMs have disclosed Microsoft is pushing them to drop HDDs in Windows 11 PCs.
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#6024342 Posted on: 06/10/2022 03:52 PM
Please. OEMs cause a lot of problems.
Vista days, shipping vista ready PCs with 512mb or 1024mb ram PCs with single channel DDR2 533. This kinda nonsense still going on.
Most people buying a PC arent going for massive storage. A 256gb ssd, 500gb mechanical rig isn't gonna be expensive for an everyday computer.
And its rather cheap for the user to order a 2tb mechanical 2.5 inch portable HD as well.
I agree with much of what you said but HDDs are still cheaper for mass storage. The underlying problem is that OEMs shouldn't be forced to change just because MS poorly optimizes things. There's a lot wrong with HDDs but if someone is willing (or wants) to buy a PC with a HDD, they should have the option and it doesn't have to be such a miserable experience.
Please. OEMs cause a lot of problems.
Vista days, shipping vista ready PCs with 512mb or 1024mb ram PCs with single channel DDR2 533. This kinda nonsense still going on.
Most people buying a PC arent going for massive storage. A 256gb ssd, 500gb mechanical rig isn't gonna be expensive for an everyday computer.
And its rather cheap for the user to order a 2tb mechanical 2.5 inch portable HD as well.
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#6024403 Posted on: 06/10/2022 06:51 PM
You can't blame the seller because someone is to lazy to use whatever search engine to know what they are buying for the price. Heck nonmatter what it is I buy for anything I go best reviews and price and I'm not the smartest guy around.
You imply that everyone knows what to search for and undestand what is written in reviews, truth is that is rarely the case, a lot of people just need a computer without having the slightest idea about what they really need.
So I can blame the seller to sell something that was the shit 10-20 years ago any time I want to, regardless of if the seller has no clue or tries to sell some crap, personally that is when I say F it and simply find another store.
Please. OEMs cause a lot of problems.
Vista days, shipping vista ready PCs with 512mb or 1024mb ram PCs with single channel DDR2 533. This kinda nonsense still going on.
Most people buying a PC arent going for massive storage. A 256gb ssd, 500gb mechanical rig isn't gonna be expensive for an everyday computer.
And its rather cheap for the user to order a 2tb mechanical 2.5 inch portable HD as well.
Indeed, and a lot of people don't really know what they need, they put full trust into the sales person or a brand, something both OEM's as retailers take advantage of.
Had a few times where I told another customer to stop listening to a sales persons bullshit and showed them which specs to look for to get a good working computer instead of buying into a computer that barely can drag what they needed it for.
On the other hand, I also had people who I advised to keep their old computer, since it covered their needs, neither did they need it to do more.
You can't blame the seller because someone is to lazy to use whatever search engine to know what they are buying for the price. Heck nonmatter what it is I buy for anything I go best reviews and price and I'm not the smartest guy around.
You imply that everyone knows what to search for and undestand what is written in reviews, truth is that is rarely the case, a lot of people just need a computer without having the slightest idea about what they really need.
So I can blame the seller to sell something that was the shit 10-20 years ago any time I want to, regardless of if the seller has no clue or tries to sell some crap, personally that is when I say F it and simply find another store.
Please. OEMs cause a lot of problems.
Vista days, shipping vista ready PCs with 512mb or 1024mb ram PCs with single channel DDR2 533. This kinda nonsense still going on.
Most people buying a PC arent going for massive storage. A 256gb ssd, 500gb mechanical rig isn't gonna be expensive for an everyday computer.
And its rather cheap for the user to order a 2tb mechanical 2.5 inch portable HD as well.
Indeed, and a lot of people don't really know what they need, they put full trust into the sales person or a brand, something both OEM's as retailers take advantage of.
Had a few times where I told another customer to stop listening to a sales persons bullshit and showed them which specs to look for to get a good working computer instead of buying into a computer that barely can drag what they needed it for.
On the other hand, I also had people who I advised to keep their old computer, since it covered their needs, neither did they need it to do more.
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#6024436 Posted on: 06/10/2022 08:27 PM
Have an examples of possible optimizations?
Read my previous posts. I already gave examples.
Please. OEMs cause a lot of problems.
Vista days, shipping vista ready PCs with 512mb or 1024mb ram PCs with single channel DDR2 533. This kinda nonsense still going on.
Yeah, and you get what you pay for. Again: nobody is denying that the OEMs cause problems or are being sneaky. We all can agree HDDs make for bad boot drives. However, MS should not be the police of OEMs.
Most people buying a PC arent going for massive storage. A 256gb ssd, 500gb mechanical rig isn't gonna be expensive for an everyday computer.
The average person has no idea how much storage they need, but most people think "more=better". The average person also doesn't know the difference between storage and memory. They also don't know what an SSD is or how it's different from a HDD. Since OEMs typically just advertise capacity, people see how SSDs tend to be lower and that becomes a turnoff for them. The problem here is a lack of education, which frankly, can be said of most markets. I think it'd be fine for MS to educate people, and again, they could always do a certification program. But they shouldn't be coaxing what people buy, because that speaks of an ulterior motive.
Have an examples of possible optimizations?
Read my previous posts. I already gave examples.
Please. OEMs cause a lot of problems.
Vista days, shipping vista ready PCs with 512mb or 1024mb ram PCs with single channel DDR2 533. This kinda nonsense still going on.
Yeah, and you get what you pay for. Again: nobody is denying that the OEMs cause problems or are being sneaky. We all can agree HDDs make for bad boot drives. However, MS should not be the police of OEMs.
Most people buying a PC arent going for massive storage. A 256gb ssd, 500gb mechanical rig isn't gonna be expensive for an everyday computer.
The average person has no idea how much storage they need, but most people think "more=better". The average person also doesn't know the difference between storage and memory. They also don't know what an SSD is or how it's different from a HDD. Since OEMs typically just advertise capacity, people see how SSDs tend to be lower and that becomes a turnoff for them. The problem here is a lack of education, which frankly, can be said of most markets. I think it'd be fine for MS to educate people, and again, they could always do a certification program. But they shouldn't be coaxing what people buy, because that speaks of an ulterior motive.
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#6024465 Posted on: 06/10/2022 10:17 PM
Sup guys It's been a while. I am not surprised that Microsoft is pushing this because I have seen a Windows 10 boot with a standard Hard drive and my god it was slow.
Sup guys It's been a while. I am not surprised that Microsoft is pushing this because I have seen a Windows 10 boot with a standard Hard drive and my god it was slow.
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Have an examples of possible optimizations?