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Engadget sat down with Aaron Greenberg, Microsoft's head of Xbox games marketing, to talk about Xbox One, Project Scorpio and the future of console gaming.
"The future of Xbox looks a lot like PC gaming." That's what Engadget editor Nathan Ingraham wrote after speaking with Phil Spencer earlier this year. Spencer spoke about wanting to see a steady stream of hardware innovation rather than seven-year gaps between consoles, citing the smartphone market as inspiration. Greenberg went one step further. In his opinion, this is the last console generation. "We think the future is without console generations," he said, explaining that Project Scorpio was a "big bet" that gamers will embrace that notion.
Q: The Xbox platform has moved forward to have such regular updates and new features coming all the time. It kind of seems like hardware is going the same way. There was a very short gap between the Xbox One and the Xbox One S, and we're probably talking an even shorter gap before Project Scorpio. Do you see a future of console upgrades continually happening? Is this the last console generation?
Greenberg: I think it is. ... For us, we think the future is without console generations; we think that the ability to build a library, a community, to be able to iterate with the hardware -- we're making a pretty big bet on that with Project Scorpio. We're basically saying, "This isn't a new generation; everything you have continues forward and it works." We think of this as a family of devices.
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#5322982 Posted on: 08/18/2016 12:07 PM
What's the point of an upgradable console? That goes against it's entire philosophy. Might as well just play on PC.
As consoles currently are built, yes. But if they really make consoles that are upgradeable, they could probably work on an easy process to chance APU (and cooler), and they're back in business. Or change mainboards that are inside a plastic casing with their soldered chips, exchanging them along, who knows what they're up to. So far it's only been talk, no real plans or details discussed.
What's the point of an upgradable console? That goes against it's entire philosophy. Might as well just play on PC.
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#5322988 Posted on: 08/18/2016 12:26 PM
Well I'd like to see, how they want to solve the problem of optimisation on all the iterations of their console, since they lack HW to do it the same way a PC does. If a game takes 2 years to develop and there will be a new xbox each year, then they will need to optimise the game for at least three separate consoles, which just add cost to the developer.
On the other hand, maybe they are just very sure of the DX12 as an API and their xboxes will be just a differently packaged prebuilt PC.
I dont think there will be a console each years, but the 7 years generation is surely over.
When he speak about a family of devices, and looking how today you can install external gpu's, external storages, i can imagine some parts could be well easy to upgrade this way, and less costly than a complete consoles for the users.
let alone that now consoles run on x86, as the tablets surface and windows pc.
Well I'd like to see, how they want to solve the problem of optimisation on all the iterations of their console, since they lack HW to do it the same way a PC does. If a game takes 2 years to develop and there will be a new xbox each year, then they will need to optimise the game for at least three separate consoles, which just add cost to the developer.
On the other hand, maybe they are just very sure of the DX12 as an API and their xboxes will be just a differently packaged prebuilt PC.
I dont think there will be a console each years, but the 7 years generation is surely over.
When he speak about a family of devices, and looking how today you can install external gpu's, external storages, i can imagine some parts could be well easy to upgrade this way, and less costly than a complete consoles for the users.
let alone that now consoles run on x86, as the tablets surface and windows pc.
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#5323028 Posted on: 08/18/2016 01:36 PM
I dont think there will be a console each years, but the 7 years generation is surely over.
When he speak about a family of devices, and looking how today you can install external gpu's, external storages, i can imagine some parts could be well easy to upgrade this way, and less costly than a complete consoles for the users.
let alone that now consoles run on x86, as the tablets surface and windows pc.
But does it really matter ? If they update a console with eg new gpu, then that device is effectively a new console that someone has to optimise for.
I dont think there will be a console each years, but the 7 years generation is surely over.
When he speak about a family of devices, and looking how today you can install external gpu's, external storages, i can imagine some parts could be well easy to upgrade this way, and less costly than a complete consoles for the users.
let alone that now consoles run on x86, as the tablets surface and windows pc.
But does it really matter ? If they update a console with eg new gpu, then that device is effectively a new console that someone has to optimise for.
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#5323036 Posted on: 08/18/2016 01:51 PM
It looks like they want to refresh hardware every 2 years and the games would have backwards compatibility, 1 or 2 generations.
It looks like they want to refresh hardware every 2 years and the games would have backwards compatibility, 1 or 2 generations.
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As consoles currently are built, yes. But if they really make consoles that are upgradeable, they could probably work on an easy process to chance APU (and cooler), and they're back in business. Or change mainboards that are inside a plastic casing with their soldered chips, exchanging them along, who knows what they're up to. So far it's only been talk, no real plans or details discussed.