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Microsoft might offer Windows 10 as a subscription
Microsoft has been playing with subscription-based models of their software for a while now, much like Office 365. From the looks of things. From the looks of it Microsoft could soon do the same with their OS, that would be Windows 10 in a subscription form,
Microsoft is headhunting a product manager for a consumer product called Microsoft 365, this is a software package that was only offered to companies. Microsoft 365 is a monthly subscription service that includes Windows 10 and the Office 365 package. Based on a job advertisement, it is now deduced that Microsoft will also target the subscription service, which is currently aimed at business customers, to end users. It is believed that the package will include Outlook Mobile, Microsoft To Do, and some MSN apps.
The target audience would be huge and many users may even be happy to pay a monthly fee for a complete package of Windows 10, Office 365 and Mobility and Security.
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#5618392 Posted on: 12/18/2018 12:20 AM
Just one more reason why Windows 10 & Microsoft suck
Just one more reason why Windows 10 & Microsoft suck
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#5618393 Posted on: 12/18/2018 12:20 AM
You have no idea how often I've thought about forcing myself to use a Linux distro for everything I possibly can. But every time I've attempted it, it didn't last long due to every issue you can imagine. Until desktop Linux distros go mainstream, as in a major company starts selling it pre-installed in products like Android is on phones, I don't see it developing to the point of being convenient enough for the average Joe to switch to.
Linux distros are smiling.
You have no idea how often I've thought about forcing myself to use a Linux distro for everything I possibly can. But every time I've attempted it, it didn't last long due to every issue you can imagine. Until desktop Linux distros go mainstream, as in a major company starts selling it pre-installed in products like Android is on phones, I don't see it developing to the point of being convenient enough for the average Joe to switch to.
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#5618398 Posted on: 12/18/2018 12:45 AM
I understand all of that. You're kind of agreeing with my point. Your Netflix subscription gives you a wide access of various content, and I'm sure you don't intend to watch the same thing a dozen times. You pay for the subscription because you want the vast variety for a low price. I'm sure you're not going to be all that upset if something is taken down, because "owning" (take that word as you will) it isn't your interest. You are a perfect example of how a subscription system works well.
How does this translate to MS products, whose features you use on a regular basis and does not continuously generate new features on a weekly, monthly, or even quarterly basis? You're continuously paying to use the same thing. You're hardly getting anything new, so why continue to pay for nothing else?
Makes sense, though that's a bit of a digression. I was saying DVDs and Blu Rays more as an example of something kept permanently, but you can keep digital copies permanently too (like with Steam). Keep in mind, I'm not at all ridiculing your usage of these services. I don't want to give that impression.
BTW, there are various subscription services for video games. Not Steam compatible, but they do pretty much exactly what you're looking for. Might be worth it for you to look into.
It's only a service because that's what MS decided to label it as. When you use something like Dropbox, you're paying someone to maintain the servers, replace dead drives, and for their electric bill. That's a service. If you don't feel like paying for all of that, just buy the HDD/SSD yourself, making it a product rather than a service. The nice thing is you have an option. The good thing about MS Office is they still give you the choice for the one-time payment to permanently "own" it. This is why I'm not so against Office 365 - I personally think it's dumb (take note HeavyHemi, this is an opinion) but it's not causing problems.
Anyway, a business model can be successful, but that does not make it widely viable. If MS has "Windows as a subscription" as an option, fine, I don't really care. I think it's a poor value, but as long as there's a standalone choice (like there currently is) then there's no problem. However, just because a subscription service is a viable business with stuff like Netflix, that does not make it viable for an OS. If Windows were to ever become strictly a subscription service, I think that would be terrible news.
You say that as though one-time-payment products never had such an option.
As I said, I have a Netflix subscription so I can watch any show on Netflix whenever I want. In no way is my subscription status dependent on future releases or exclusives. Buying DVDs would be an extremely costly and inconvenient alternative, especially since I tend to binge watch related content on a particular genre that I fancy at the time (the only time that I rent or buy a movie is when it's not available on Netflix, and I only buy digitally via Play Movies). The same goes for my subscription to Play Music. I could just outright buy each song or album, but I decided it would be easier to get a subscription so I can access the entire library of songs and play them whenever I want.
I understand all of that. You're kind of agreeing with my point. Your Netflix subscription gives you a wide access of various content, and I'm sure you don't intend to watch the same thing a dozen times. You pay for the subscription because you want the vast variety for a low price. I'm sure you're not going to be all that upset if something is taken down, because "owning" (take that word as you will) it isn't your interest. You are a perfect example of how a subscription system works well.
How does this translate to MS products, whose features you use on a regular basis and does not continuously generate new features on a weekly, monthly, or even quarterly basis? You're continuously paying to use the same thing. You're hardly getting anything new, so why continue to pay for nothing else?
I used to buy DVD and Blu-ray movies, as well as maintaining a huge list of MP3s for my music library. I've gradually found that a subscription model is more convenient so I transitioned over. If Steam offered a subscription service, where you pay a monthly fee and access any game you want, I'd sign up in a heartbeat (assuming the price is reasonable of course).
Makes sense, though that's a bit of a digression. I was saying DVDs and Blu Rays more as an example of something kept permanently, but you can keep digital copies permanently too (like with Steam). Keep in mind, I'm not at all ridiculing your usage of these services. I don't want to give that impression.
BTW, there are various subscription services for video games. Not Steam compatible, but they do pretty much exactly what you're looking for. Might be worth it for you to look into.
Again, you are paying to access the service, like Dropbox or Lastpass or a VPN. These subscription services all operate under the same model and a Windows subscription would be no different. Furthermore, if Office 365 is anything to go by, they will most likely offer it as an alternative to an outright purchase (you will most likely still be able to buy a license). At any rate, the success of Office 365 shows that this model is viable so I wouldn't be surprised to see it being used for Windows.
It's only a service because that's what MS decided to label it as. When you use something like Dropbox, you're paying someone to maintain the servers, replace dead drives, and for their electric bill. That's a service. If you don't feel like paying for all of that, just buy the HDD/SSD yourself, making it a product rather than a service. The nice thing is you have an option. The good thing about MS Office is they still give you the choice for the one-time payment to permanently "own" it. This is why I'm not so against Office 365 - I personally think it's dumb (take note HeavyHemi, this is an opinion) but it's not causing problems.
Anyway, a business model can be successful, but that does not make it widely viable. If MS has "Windows as a subscription" as an option, fine, I don't really care. I think it's a poor value, but as long as there's a standalone choice (like there currently is) then there's no problem. However, just because a subscription service is a viable business with stuff like Netflix, that does not make it viable for an OS. If Windows were to ever become strictly a subscription service, I think that would be terrible news.
These subscription services are also great for multiple devices or users. Office 365 Home supports up to six users and five devices per user, with each user also getting access to 1 TB of cloud storage. Microsoft could offer something similar for a Windows subscription, meaning a single subscription could be enough for your entire extended family and each family member will get a ton of cloud space. I maintain multiple PCs at home so a Windows subscription would be helpful (it's one of the reasons why I have a Office 365 subscription). A subscription is a nice option if you want to share a service - I currently share my Netflix subscription with my sister, father and sister-in-law (who all live apart from me).
You say that as though one-time-payment products never had such an option.
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#5618399 Posted on: 12/18/2018 12:47 AM
MS is constricting us like a python year by year, and we have no other choice but to move along in the end. Aside from gaming Ubuntu is pretty neat IMHO.
You have no idea how often I've thought about forcing myself to use a Linux distro for everything I possibly can. But every time I've attempted it, it didn't last long due to every issue you can imagine. Until desktop Linux distros go mainstream, as in a major company starts selling it pre-installed in products like Android is on phones, I don't see it developing to the point of being convenient enough for the average Joe to switch to.
MS is constricting us like a python year by year, and we have no other choice but to move along in the end. Aside from gaming Ubuntu is pretty neat IMHO.
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#5618403 Posted on: 12/18/2018 12:57 AM
"These Tech companies want us all enslaved with no freedom just total loyalty to them. They are very sick!" (Mark Niebauer)
"Subscriptions are great for profits. It will be leeching of forgetful consumers ("B2B") for years" (sverek)
How many times did I write, on different forums: BigBadBill and people around him, they are not a company at all - they are a gang, organized group of hyenas. M$ was built on the theft and deception, and will always be a gang, not a "company" .
"These Tech companies want us all enslaved with no freedom just total loyalty to them. They are very sick!" (Mark Niebauer)
"Subscriptions are great for profits. It will be leeching of forgetful consumers ("B2B") for years" (sverek)
How many times did I write, on different forums: BigBadBill and people around him, they are not a company at all - they are a gang, organized group of hyenas. M$ was built on the theft and deception, and will always be a gang, not a "company" .
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#5618424 Posted on: 12/18/2018 03:43 AM
i'd sooner pay for windows 7 or 8 security updates.
i'd sooner pay for windows 7 or 8 security updates.
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#5618426 Posted on: 12/18/2018 03:50 AM
are they encouraging people to pirate? i mean, seriously. why would i pay a monthly fee for my operating system that was previously pay once and use til you upgrade for the last 30+ years
are they encouraging people to pirate? i mean, seriously. why would i pay a monthly fee for my operating system that was previously pay once and use til you upgrade for the last 30+ years
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#5618427 Posted on: 12/18/2018 03:51 AM
I really hope Linux and Steam's Proton comes to fruition and/or more game developers start building games with Linux in mind.
The only thing holding me back from changing, is the fact that I don't want to sacrifice my 144Hz for >30 fps on unsupported games.
I really hope Linux and Steam's Proton comes to fruition and/or more game developers start building games with Linux in mind.
The only thing holding me back from changing, is the fact that I don't want to sacrifice my 144Hz for >30 fps on unsupported games.
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#5618480 Posted on: 12/18/2018 09:14 AM
I've read a few times that being in a subscription model with the right price and the right bonuses would be fine, and that we people are subscribing to many things anyway.
I have to disagree.
I don't want to pay $4.99 a month for the very most basic thing I need to use my PC, the OS. Also, I don't need any of the so called "features" that come along with it.... I wouldn't even know what a feature could be that would ge me remotely interested. Up until now I got everything I need when buying a windows license, including DirectX. Other than that I see nothing of value that m$ could offer me... I don't care about their cloud storage or something else since I don't use it, probably never will. Hell, probably half of the customers that buy a prebuilt PC with an OEM license don't use any of those features. Also, this probably introduced an online DRM (checking subscription), so that in order to use your PC you have to have access to the internet? That sounds silly for any mobile PC user, where you don't always want to make use of your mobile data plan or there's not always a wifi hotspot available to just start your device...
Also I'd be basically paying $60 a year for an OS that you buy for... 100$, so after 20 months they start to earn more money off of customers. I haven't seen a single feature introduced since windows 7 that I want to use... it's sad but true. And I'm not even starting to talk on the state of dx12, win10 was able to introduce two features (HDR and DXR) that gamers can even see... and I don't fancy either of those. The rest? I don't think that we are talking about any theme modes or such rubbish that they sell as a new invention... sorry, but to have them earn more money off me for no more improvement only works because they got a de facto monopoly on PC gaming.
They want to charge for the OS like a subscription... so what comes next? You need a monthly plan to drive your car because you have to subscribe for firmware updates or it won't start anymore? Or your fridge who's ice cube maker is suddenly not supported anymore unless you upgrade to the latest paid firmware version (second oldest being free)? Because they have a "bug" that suddenly disables functions that worked so you feel, think, or are suggested you should upgrade? We all know their practices... they're scum and they will force that on people. I can see the appeal of subscriptions to the company, but users only pay more, all the time, every time. So I'm not surprised by this, more groaning because finally the managers on top also have finally noticed.
I don't want to pay a subscription fee to not use 90% of any user "front" features, that's silly. And honestly, for me there is not much more to it. Might switch back to win7 if they do this, in it's current state, I can well skip anything that has to do with dx12, so... what should I use win10 for then?
I've read a few times that being in a subscription model with the right price and the right bonuses would be fine, and that we people are subscribing to many things anyway.
I have to disagree.
I don't want to pay $4.99 a month for the very most basic thing I need to use my PC, the OS. Also, I don't need any of the so called "features" that come along with it.... I wouldn't even know what a feature could be that would ge me remotely interested. Up until now I got everything I need when buying a windows license, including DirectX. Other than that I see nothing of value that m$ could offer me... I don't care about their cloud storage or something else since I don't use it, probably never will. Hell, probably half of the customers that buy a prebuilt PC with an OEM license don't use any of those features. Also, this probably introduced an online DRM (checking subscription), so that in order to use your PC you have to have access to the internet? That sounds silly for any mobile PC user, where you don't always want to make use of your mobile data plan or there's not always a wifi hotspot available to just start your device...
Also I'd be basically paying $60 a year for an OS that you buy for... 100$, so after 20 months they start to earn more money off of customers. I haven't seen a single feature introduced since windows 7 that I want to use... it's sad but true. And I'm not even starting to talk on the state of dx12, win10 was able to introduce two features (HDR and DXR) that gamers can even see... and I don't fancy either of those. The rest? I don't think that we are talking about any theme modes or such rubbish that they sell as a new invention... sorry, but to have them earn more money off me for no more improvement only works because they got a de facto monopoly on PC gaming.
They want to charge for the OS like a subscription... so what comes next? You need a monthly plan to drive your car because you have to subscribe for firmware updates or it won't start anymore? Or your fridge who's ice cube maker is suddenly not supported anymore unless you upgrade to the latest paid firmware version (second oldest being free)? Because they have a "bug" that suddenly disables functions that worked so you feel, think, or are suggested you should upgrade? We all know their practices... they're scum and they will force that on people. I can see the appeal of subscriptions to the company, but users only pay more, all the time, every time. So I'm not surprised by this, more groaning because finally the managers on top also have finally noticed.
I don't want to pay a subscription fee to not use 90% of any user "front" features, that's silly. And honestly, for me there is not much more to it. Might switch back to win7 if they do this, in it's current state, I can well skip anything that has to do with dx12, so... what should I use win10 for then?
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#5618486 Posted on: 12/18/2018 09:39 AM
Testing new features?
It's understandable to subscribe for M$ tools like Office. Someone has to work professionally with Word for sometime and won't be able to launch it after it expires. Job is done.
But for OS, not being able to access your data cause OS is expired is just sad. "OS is expired" is just weird. It's not like you installed OS without activating it.
However, I hope it's just an option and won't affect how M$ shift their license strategy. Promoting it will backfire with increasing piracy.
so... what should I use win10 for then?
Testing new features?
It's understandable to subscribe for M$ tools like Office. Someone has to work professionally with Word for sometime and won't be able to launch it after it expires. Job is done.
But for OS, not being able to access your data cause OS is expired is just sad. "OS is expired" is just weird. It's not like you installed OS without activating it.
However, I hope it's just an option and won't affect how M$ shift their license strategy. Promoting it will backfire with increasing piracy.
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#5618522 Posted on: 12/18/2018 12:17 PM
Its a Windows as a service,as Nada-ella say it.
Wait,but there is more:
Microsoft is working on giving users more control over the look of their system in Windows 10, and the upcoming 19H1 release will make it possible to change the File Explorer theme independently from the rest of the desktop.
Wow,new features for w10,since they remove this from start and make win10 so bland and make it ugly as windows 3.x .just wow....
Its a Windows as a service,as Nada-ella say it.
Wait,but there is more:
Windows 10 19H1 Will Let Users Change File Explorer Theme Independently
Microsoft is working on giving users more control over the look of their system in Windows 10, and the upcoming 19H1 release will make it possible to change the File Explorer theme independently from the rest of the desktop.
Wow,new features for w10,since they remove this from start and make win10 so bland and make it ugly as windows 3.x .just wow....
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#5618523 Posted on: 12/18/2018 12:20 PM
You don't see the great picture here. What if after that huge change, all software start to turn into a subscribed feature? How will you all here feel, if you need half a monthly salary only for the software and games you use and own already? Sad times. Dark ages.
You don't see the great picture here. What if after that huge change, all software start to turn into a subscribed feature? How will you all here feel, if you need half a monthly salary only for the software and games you use and own already? Sad times. Dark ages.
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#5618532 Posted on: 12/18/2018 01:10 PM
Its for people that use/want/need Office Subscription, now they will get Windows as part of it.
What would you get that's different to purchasing it? or..... if you subscribe to it long enough do you then pay off the price of it and you then own it?
Its for people that use/want/need Office Subscription, now they will get Windows as part of it.
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#5618579 Posted on: 12/18/2018 04:27 PM
No, it is not and only conspiracy theorist thought otherwise. (Or, how did that Microsoft is replacing the desktop conspiracy work out?)
Everyone and their dogs knew this was coming. Microsoft can suck a not so micro hard.
No, it is not and only conspiracy theorist thought otherwise. (Or, how did that Microsoft is replacing the desktop conspiracy work out?)
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Every morning I wake up I wonder what else can Microsoft do to piss off their customers. This is one of them.