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Microsoft Ends Windows 7 Support in 2020, companies can buy security updates up-to 2023
If you're still on Windows 7, Microsoft will be ending support for it in 2020. Organizations, however, can purchase an extended contract for support.
Through the way of extra dough, all of the sudden support will continue to provide paid support for Windows 7 until January 2023, including security updates. This scheme is called Windows 7 Extended Security Updates (ESU) and will be per device, also that contract price will increase each year. The Extended Security Updates will be available for Windows 7 Professional and Windows 7 Enterprise customers with Volume Licensing. Also, Office 365 ProPlus will be supported on devices with an active Windows 7 ESU subscription till 2023. Customers that are in the ESU program will be able to continue to use the Office suite this way.
Though Windows 10 is closing in, Windows 7 actually still has a market share of nearly 40%.
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#5583140 Posted on: 09/10/2018 06:09 PM
I've used 10 since day one, and never really understood the backlash against it. People call it spyware because it logs user data, and yet they have no problems with banks logging their financial data. Go figure.
I really dont understand why people stick with w7 and dont use w10. Why? In my opinion w10 is a fine OS...
I've used 10 since day one, and never really understood the backlash against it. People call it spyware because it logs user data, and yet they have no problems with banks logging their financial data. Go figure.
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#5583147 Posted on: 09/10/2018 06:21 PM
I don't like upgrading. I always format and install fresh. Currently, I've got a bunch of game saves on my machine I don't want to lose, but I'm lazy and don't want to spend time backing everything up. Windows 7 has been working just fine for games, and my gaming PC serves no other function.
Been using 10 on my work laptop for 18 months, and it's fine. I have no problem with it, but I'm also doing the same things with it that I have been for twenty years. Aside from the ability to snap applications to either side of the screen, I don't think they've added a single feature I've used in years.
I really dont understand why people stick with w7 and dont use w10. Why? In my opinion w10 is a fine OS...
I don't like upgrading. I always format and install fresh. Currently, I've got a bunch of game saves on my machine I don't want to lose, but I'm lazy and don't want to spend time backing everything up. Windows 7 has been working just fine for games, and my gaming PC serves no other function.
Been using 10 on my work laptop for 18 months, and it's fine. I have no problem with it, but I'm also doing the same things with it that I have been for twenty years. Aside from the ability to snap applications to either side of the screen, I don't think they've added a single feature I've used in years.
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#5583179 Posted on: 09/10/2018 08:14 PM
umm. RHEL? RHEL6 has a support cycle of 14years. From version 3 and up etch version has atlest 11 of years of support.
RHEL 5 was released all they way back in March 2007 and is still supported until 2020.
And before anyone claims RHEL is a a server OS, they have a workstation/desktop version.
Yeah. Good luck with using RHEL for a desktop PC where multimedia and gaming is important. The software you get with RHEL was already outdated when it first came out. By now it's so old, it's not even funny.
umm. RHEL? RHEL6 has a support cycle of 14years. From version 3 and up etch version has atlest 11 of years of support.
RHEL 5 was released all they way back in March 2007 and is still supported until 2020.
And before anyone claims RHEL is a a server OS, they have a workstation/desktop version.
Yeah. Good luck with using RHEL for a desktop PC where multimedia and gaming is important. The software you get with RHEL was already outdated when it first came out. By now it's so old, it's not even funny.
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#5583268 Posted on: 09/11/2018 01:19 AM
They have it. It's called LTSB.
M$ better prepare desktop version of Win10 without malware, bloatware and spyware by then to successfully replace Win7.
They have it. It's called LTSB.
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#5583283 Posted on: 09/11/2018 03:05 AM
Ubuntu offers an LTS build that is supported for 5 years. No reason to install a new version every year.
I didn't jump on 10 that soon, but I've been using it for quite a while now and I still dislike it. Caused a ton of problems for the software I used to use at work. From what I hear, from talking to former co-workers, it's still causing problems for them. Every time their laptops update, their software starts crashing because necessary settings seem to get returned to defaults. A friend asked me to come fix them, again....
If you go Linux and don't like to install a new OS version every year, you'd need to use a rolling release distro like Arch. But if you're a new Linux user and don't know yet what you're doing, it's not gonna work out that well.
Ubuntu offers an LTS build that is supported for 5 years. No reason to install a new version every year.
I've used 10 since day one, and never really understood the backlash against it. People call it spyware because it logs user data, and yet they have no problems with banks logging their financial data. Go figure.
I didn't jump on 10 that soon, but I've been using it for quite a while now and I still dislike it. Caused a ton of problems for the software I used to use at work. From what I hear, from talking to former co-workers, it's still causing problems for them. Every time their laptops update, their software starts crashing because necessary settings seem to get returned to defaults. A friend asked me to come fix them, again....
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#5583286 Posted on: 09/11/2018 03:26 AM
The stupid part of Win10 is that it's designed for tablets and laptops. NOT for desktop PC. You can't fix it and time won't fix it. It's just retarded design from the ground.
It's UI and crapware is aimed for majority of people who have no idea what they want from OS, so M$ giving them cool features to play with to feel good about Win10.
People who know what they want and not gaming, switched to Linux long time ago. People who game and want clean/responsive OS are still on Win7.
I am getting too old to mess with Win10, trying to fix it, hack it, disable crap and make it response so it fits my needs.
Too much time required to make Win10 fit for desktop PC and another update will probably revert the changes that I made, so I have to start to customize it AGAIN.
Win10 is just a failure for advanced desktop users.
I wish my office PC was Win7. Win10 just makes things complicated and worse than it has to be, and user can't do much about it.
The stupid part of Win10 is that it's designed for tablets and laptops. NOT for desktop PC. You can't fix it and time won't fix it. It's just retarded design from the ground.
It's UI and crapware is aimed for majority of people who have no idea what they want from OS, so M$ giving them cool features to play with to feel good about Win10.
People who know what they want and not gaming, switched to Linux long time ago. People who game and want clean/responsive OS are still on Win7.
I am getting too old to mess with Win10, trying to fix it, hack it, disable crap and make it response so it fits my needs.
Too much time required to make Win10 fit for desktop PC and another update will probably revert the changes that I made, so I have to start to customize it AGAIN.
Win10 is just a failure for advanced desktop users.
I wish my office PC was Win7. Win10 just makes things complicated and worse than it has to be, and user can't do much about it.
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#5583288 Posted on: 09/11/2018 03:29 AM
https://www.howtogeek.com/273824/windows-10-without-the-cruft-windows-10-ltsb-explained/
Doesn't seem like a mere consumer can get it hands on it. Again, fail. And M$ just forcing it's crap down consumers throat.
They have it. It's called LTSB.
https://www.howtogeek.com/273824/windows-10-without-the-cruft-windows-10-ltsb-explained/
Doesn't seem like a mere consumer can get it hands on it. Again, fail. And M$ just forcing it's crap down consumers throat.
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#5583373 Posted on: 09/11/2018 10:09 AM
... Come on folks... Windows 7 came out in 2009 it's 2018 now - need more be said? 2020 is long enough. Some of yall acting like them asking businesses for coin till 2023 is greedy miss the point of that just being smart business.
The writing has been on the wall for some time now. The United States Department of Defense has moved over to Windows 10 already. Granted it's 3 years into release but the difference between 10 & previous versions prior such as 7, Vista etc was that much of the structure of 10 came out of 8.1 & 8 - sometimes I wonder how much of that was Marketing instead of an Engineering move from Microsoft.
... Come on folks... Windows 7 came out in 2009 it's 2018 now - need more be said? 2020 is long enough. Some of yall acting like them asking businesses for coin till 2023 is greedy miss the point of that just being smart business.The writing has been on the wall for some time now. The United States Department of Defense has moved over to Windows 10 already. Granted it's 3 years into release but the difference between 10 & previous versions prior such as 7, Vista etc was that much of the structure of 10 came out of 8.1 & 8 - sometimes I wonder how much of that was Marketing instead of an Engineering move from Microsoft.
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#5583374 Posted on: 09/11/2018 10:14 AM
https://www.howtogeek.com/273824/windows-10-without-the-cruft-windows-10-ltsb-explained/
Doesn't seem like a mere consumer can get it hands on it. Again, fail. And M$ just forcing it's crap down consumers throat.
Come on, we know how to get windows distributions not by MS do we?
https://www.howtogeek.com/273824/windows-10-without-the-cruft-windows-10-ltsb-explained/
Doesn't seem like a mere consumer can get it hands on it. Again, fail. And M$ just forcing it's crap down consumers throat.
Come on, we know how to get windows distributions not by MS do we?
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#5583376 Posted on: 09/11/2018 10:21 AM
... Come on folks... Windows 7 came out in 2009 it's 2018 now - need more be said? 2020 is long enough. Some of yall acting like them asking businesses for coin till 2023 is greedy miss the point of that just being smart business.
The writing has been on the wall for some time now. The United States Department of Defense has moved over to Windows 10 already. Granted it's 3 years into release but the difference between 10 & previous versions prior such as 7, Vista etc was that much of the structure of 10 came out of 8.1 & 8 - sometimes I wonder how much of that was Marketing instead of an Engineering move from Microsoft.
While I am advocating W10 in general, their 1803 is trash. So many things broken and not fixable by end user.
You can't even flash via atiwinflash/atiflash now.
GPU scheduler is completely broken and OS does not allocate GPU resources enough to application which is not in focus. (Not noticeable for average gamer, but if you are multitasking... be it HW accelerated media playback, streaming application which uses GPU for composition/effects, it hurts. You have to limit GPU utilization via fps limiter as there is no other way user can allocate resources for GPU.)
It really tells something when you run fullscreen window game and 2ndary screen content which needs GPU just refreshes somewhere between 5~60fps on random.
Then you click on desktop. This removes focus from game. Game still has same fps, but no more issues with any other application. Click on game and issues are back.
Prior 1803, W10 was superior to W7/8.1 in every way. Now, not so much. Should get some new insider build, but MS refused to allow me to re-sign new system into Insider program as I upgraded MB/CPU. So, I can still download since I am Insider member, but new system will simply remain unregistered therefore illegal in 3 months.
... Come on folks... Windows 7 came out in 2009 it's 2018 now - need more be said? 2020 is long enough. Some of yall acting like them asking businesses for coin till 2023 is greedy miss the point of that just being smart business.The writing has been on the wall for some time now. The United States Department of Defense has moved over to Windows 10 already. Granted it's 3 years into release but the difference between 10 & previous versions prior such as 7, Vista etc was that much of the structure of 10 came out of 8.1 & 8 - sometimes I wonder how much of that was Marketing instead of an Engineering move from Microsoft.
While I am advocating W10 in general, their 1803 is trash. So many things broken and not fixable by end user.
You can't even flash via atiwinflash/atiflash now.
GPU scheduler is completely broken and OS does not allocate GPU resources enough to application which is not in focus. (Not noticeable for average gamer, but if you are multitasking... be it HW accelerated media playback, streaming application which uses GPU for composition/effects, it hurts. You have to limit GPU utilization via fps limiter as there is no other way user can allocate resources for GPU.)
It really tells something when you run fullscreen window game and 2ndary screen content which needs GPU just refreshes somewhere between 5~60fps on random.
Then you click on desktop. This removes focus from game. Game still has same fps, but no more issues with any other application. Click on game and issues are back.
Prior 1803, W10 was superior to W7/8.1 in every way. Now, not so much. Should get some new insider build, but MS refused to allow me to re-sign new system into Insider program as I upgraded MB/CPU. So, I can still download since I am Insider member, but new system will simply remain unregistered therefore illegal in 3 months.
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#5583460 Posted on: 09/11/2018 03:41 PM
Which is not 11 years. It's 5. Imagine what people here would say if Windows 7 was EOLed in 2014...
And of course only "casuals" use a 5 year old Ubuntu. Power users always install the latest :p With Windows, it feels like the opposite is true...
Ubuntu offers an LTS build that is supported for 5 years. No reason to install a new version every year.
Which is not 11 years. It's 5. Imagine what people here would say if Windows 7 was EOLed in 2014...
And of course only "casuals" use a 5 year old Ubuntu. Power users always install the latest :p With Windows, it feels like the opposite is true...
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#5583467 Posted on: 09/11/2018 03:54 PM
WHAT??? NO MORE Windows 7??? I'll.... I'll.... I will switch to Amiga OS 4.1!!!! (I would love to play around with it if it works on the X86 machine.)
Actually I'm very happy with Windows 10 and have been using since the start of the free upgrade. Just finished upgrading all of my PCs to Windows 10 so far. One thing I wish Microsoft would stop moving stuffs within the interface around so much. Make it a pain to support.
WHAT??? NO MORE Windows 7??? I'll.... I'll.... I will switch to Amiga OS 4.1!!!! (I would love to play around with it if it works on the X86 machine.)
Actually I'm very happy with Windows 10 and have been using since the start of the free upgrade. Just finished upgrading all of my PCs to Windows 10 so far. One thing I wish Microsoft would stop moving stuffs within the interface around so much. Make it a pain to support.
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#5583468 Posted on: 09/11/2018 04:01 PM
On Linux you mostly get "built-in" apps. Installing applications is not something you usually do. Installers aren't popular, like on Windows. You mostly install apps from your distro's repositories. And the apps are ancient.
A very old Linux system isn't something you want to run. It's still catching up when it comes to it's desktop. If you want a system that looks like Windows XP, then fine. But otherwise, you want to be on the recent versions.
There is a reason why Ubuntu has two releases per year. Linux distros just get outdated very fast.
Like I said, there is a desktop version. I used it before on a desktop and did not have one problem playing games with it or running apps like VLC. And let's be honest who used the built in app in windows for gaming and multimedia?
On Linux you mostly get "built-in" apps. Installing applications is not something you usually do. Installers aren't popular, like on Windows. You mostly install apps from your distro's repositories. And the apps are ancient.
A very old Linux system isn't something you want to run. It's still catching up when it comes to it's desktop. If you want a system that looks like Windows XP, then fine. But otherwise, you want to be on the recent versions.
There is a reason why Ubuntu has two releases per year. Linux distros just get outdated very fast.
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#5583481 Posted on: 09/11/2018 04:34 PM
@austin865a
That's from 2014. Windows 7 is from 2009.
This is RHEL 6 from 2010:
Edit:
You're right though. I never used it. I do use CentOS though (as a build platform.)
@austin865a
That's from 2014. Windows 7 is from 2009.
This is RHEL 6 from 2010:
Edit:
You're right though. I never used it. I do use CentOS though (as a build platform.)
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I've said this what feels like a 1000 times. If you are willing to spend a bit of time and effort into Win10 then like me you basically have Win7 with DX12. Win10 once doctored is the best OS i've ever seen so far.
You don't even have to do much since there's already programs out there that return Win10 to what ever flavor you like. With a few clicks i can turn my OS to XP win7 win8 or back to 10.
My current set up reads..> Visual style: Aero 8 menu + Windows 10 taskbar + win7_54.bmp button.