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Microsoft does a 360, drops DRM and always on for Xbox One
It is now confirmed that Microsoft is lifting the always on and heft DRM restrictions of the XBox One. You could say that Microsoft made a 360 after all critique. Late last night Microsoft made a few statements regarding this matter, see after the break what is changing. This could be the biggest backtrack in gaming history.
Microsoft has now stated the following on their pages:
So, today I am announcing the following changes to Xbox One and how you can play, share, lend, and resell your games exactly as you do today on Xbox 360. Here is what that means:
- An internet connection will not be required to play offline Xbox One games – After a one-time system set-up with a new Xbox One, you can play any disc based game without ever connecting online again. There is no 24 hour connection requirement and you can take your Xbox One anywhere you want and play your games, just like on Xbox 360.
- Trade-in, lend, resell, gift, and rent disc based games just like you do today – There will be no limitations to using and sharing games, it will work just as it does today on Xbox 360.
In addition to buying a disc from a retailer, you can also download games from Xbox Live on day of release. If you choose to download your games, you will be able to play them offline just like you do today. Xbox One games will be playable on any Xbox One console -- there will be no regional restrictions.
These changes will impact some of the scenarios we previously announced for Xbox One. The sharing of games will work as it does today, you will simply share the disc. Downloaded titles cannot be shared or resold. Also, similar to today, playing disc based games will require that the disc be in the tray.
We appreciate your passion, support and willingness to challenge the assumptions of digital licensing and connectivity. While we believe that the majority of people will play games online and access the cloud for both games and entertainment, we will give consumers the choice of both physical and digital content. We have listened and we have heard loud and clear from your feedback that you want the best of both worlds.
Thank you again for your candid feedback. Our team remains committed to listening, taking feedback and delivering a great product for you later this year.
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#4621352 Posted on: 07/17/2013 06:18 PM
I head of people getting their 470 to over 900mhz on the core.
I'm only in a slightly better boat than you Arctic. Mine is really bad with voltage, I instantly get problems at 1.087. I stick with 750 mhz core 0.975 voltage. Pretty much my max without artifacting.
I head of people getting their 470 to over 900mhz on the core.
I'm only in a slightly better boat than you Arctic. Mine is really bad with voltage, I instantly get problems at 1.087. I stick with 750 mhz core 0.975 voltage. Pretty much my max without artifacting.
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#4621354 Posted on: 07/17/2013 06:19 PM
Hello fellas, I'm having some troubles overclocking my GTX 470. The stock speeds are 607 MHz core, 1215 MHz shader and 3348 MHz memory(http://www.asus.com/Graphics_Cards/ENGTX470G2DI1280MD5). I'm aiming to 700 MHz on core and 3400 MHz on memory. I know memory doesn't increase fps in games that's why I almost haven't touch it and I know it does some issues sometimes. First I tried at stock voltage but it wasn't stable. I had a very, very weird problem. My CPU(not cores) went up to 110-120 degrees, that's what it was showing after 30-40 minutes playing World of Warcraft. When I opened RealTeamp the cores were 55-60 degrees. Then I tried to find someone with GTX 470 overclocked to 700 core to see what are his voltages because as far as I saw I should be able to run it on stock voltages. Later I bumped them up to 1.025(i think, not 100 percent sure). I am playing WoW without any problems but when I started Battlefield 3, it gave me BSOD with code 124 which must be vcore problem but it can't be. Later I bumped it up to 1.037v and everything was fine till I started BF3 again, this time the game stopped working, not BSOD or anything, just the game stopped working. I am using ASUS SmartDoctor to overclock it, it's very simple. How is possible to can't run 700 MHz core on 1.037v when other guys run their on stock voltage, even on higher frequency. I have done a lot of tests for CPU stability, it can't be low cpu voltage.
My rig:
CPU: Intel Q6600 3,6 Ghz 1.40v (9x400)
Mobo: ASUS P5Q3 Deluxe/WiFi-AP @n
GPU: ASUS GTX 470
RAM: Kingston HyperX 2x2 Kit 4GB 1600Mhz
Two HDDs: Main 250GB(forgot the model) and another Samsung 1TB
Fans: One on the side, one for exhaust, ASUS turbine cooling the chipset
Cooler: Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 PWM with better fan
Mouse: A4Tech X7 X-705K
Keyboard: A4 Tech X7 G800MU
Monitor: ViewSonic VA1903wb (1440x900)
It's possible because every GPU is different. For GPU's, there really aren't any tricks to overclocking using the standard tools. You find the highest stable clock and voltage combination and that is what you have. Something else that can cause issues is using to many monitoring tools at the same time. BIOS overclocking is better than using software via Windows for the motherboard.
Hello fellas, I'm having some troubles overclocking my GTX 470. The stock speeds are 607 MHz core, 1215 MHz shader and 3348 MHz memory(http://www.asus.com/Graphics_Cards/ENGTX470G2DI1280MD5). I'm aiming to 700 MHz on core and 3400 MHz on memory. I know memory doesn't increase fps in games that's why I almost haven't touch it and I know it does some issues sometimes. First I tried at stock voltage but it wasn't stable. I had a very, very weird problem. My CPU(not cores) went up to 110-120 degrees, that's what it was showing after 30-40 minutes playing World of Warcraft. When I opened RealTeamp the cores were 55-60 degrees. Then I tried to find someone with GTX 470 overclocked to 700 core to see what are his voltages because as far as I saw I should be able to run it on stock voltages. Later I bumped them up to 1.025(i think, not 100 percent sure). I am playing WoW without any problems but when I started Battlefield 3, it gave me BSOD with code 124 which must be vcore problem but it can't be. Later I bumped it up to 1.037v and everything was fine till I started BF3 again, this time the game stopped working, not BSOD or anything, just the game stopped working. I am using ASUS SmartDoctor to overclock it, it's very simple. How is possible to can't run 700 MHz core on 1.037v when other guys run their on stock voltage, even on higher frequency. I have done a lot of tests for CPU stability, it can't be low cpu voltage.
My rig:
CPU: Intel Q6600 3,6 Ghz 1.40v (9x400)
Mobo: ASUS P5Q3 Deluxe/WiFi-AP @n
GPU: ASUS GTX 470
RAM: Kingston HyperX 2x2 Kit 4GB 1600Mhz
Two HDDs: Main 250GB(forgot the model) and another Samsung 1TB
Fans: One on the side, one for exhaust, ASUS turbine cooling the chipset
Cooler: Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 PWM with better fan
Mouse: A4Tech X7 X-705K
Keyboard: A4 Tech X7 G800MU
Monitor: ViewSonic VA1903wb (1440x900)
It's possible because every GPU is different. For GPU's, there really aren't any tricks to overclocking using the standard tools. You find the highest stable clock and voltage combination and that is what you have. Something else that can cause issues is using to many monitoring tools at the same time. BIOS overclocking is better than using software via Windows for the motherboard.
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#4621366 Posted on: 07/17/2013 06:33 PM
What makes you so sure it's not the CPU?
What makes you so sure it's not the CPU?
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#4621374 Posted on: 07/17/2013 06:47 PM
I head of people getting their 470 to over 900mhz on the core.
I'm only in a slightly better boat than you Arctic. Mine is really bad with voltage, I instantly get problems at 1.087. I stick with 750 mhz core 0.975 voltage. Pretty much my max without artifacting.
I wish I still had mine. Ran it at 915/4400 24/7 on air. Volts were 1.175. On cold days I could run 950ish at 1.2 volts. That card was beast, wish I still had it. Friend killed it when he was borrowing.
OP vid cards don't cause a 124 bsod. Sounds like you have a unstable system, ram/cpu
I head of people getting their 470 to over 900mhz on the core.
I'm only in a slightly better boat than you Arctic. Mine is really bad with voltage, I instantly get problems at 1.087. I stick with 750 mhz core 0.975 voltage. Pretty much my max without artifacting.
I wish I still had mine. Ran it at 915/4400 24/7 on air. Volts were 1.175. On cold days I could run 950ish at 1.2 volts. That card was beast, wish I still had it. Friend killed it when he was borrowing.
OP vid cards don't cause a 124 bsod. Sounds like you have a unstable system, ram/cpu
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#4621380 Posted on: 07/17/2013 07:05 PM
I will run Prime95 once again for CPU and RAM, about GPU, I ran OCCT and it was stable.
I will run Prime95 once again for CPU and RAM, about GPU, I ran OCCT and it was stable.
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#4621383 Posted on: 07/17/2013 07:07 PM
Yeah, x124 is a sign of CPU undervoltage, graphic cards shouldn't cause that.
My 470 could do 700 at .91V; never tried pushing it higher.
What makes you so sure it's not the CPU?
Yeah, x124 is a sign of CPU undervoltage, graphic cards shouldn't cause that.
My 470 could do 700 at .91V; never tried pushing it higher.
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#4621429 Posted on: 07/17/2013 08:31 PM
There's something really weird here. I cleared CMOS cuz I thought there's a glitch/bug or something. I overclocked the card to 700 mhz while the CPU was fully stock(nothing changed in BIOS). It was stable and nothing was strange. After 30 min test I entered the BIOS and fixed everything. CPU frequency to 3,6 Ghz, this time I was running my RAM at 1:1 800MHz. The card was still overclocked to 700 MHz because ASUS SmartDoctor startup with the overclock. Some glitch appeared and my motherboard was showing -54 degrees in PC Probe and 44545446 degrees in Speedfan. When I set it to stock speed and restarted my PC, everything was normal. I had another graphic cards and all of them were overclocked. This one seems to make problems always when I overclock it.
There's something really weird here. I cleared CMOS cuz I thought there's a glitch/bug or something. I overclocked the card to 700 mhz while the CPU was fully stock(nothing changed in BIOS). It was stable and nothing was strange. After 30 min test I entered the BIOS and fixed everything. CPU frequency to 3,6 Ghz, this time I was running my RAM at 1:1 800MHz. The card was still overclocked to 700 MHz because ASUS SmartDoctor startup with the overclock. Some glitch appeared and my motherboard was showing -54 degrees in PC Probe and 44545446 degrees in Speedfan. When I set it to stock speed and restarted my PC, everything was normal. I had another graphic cards and all of them were overclocked. This one seems to make problems always when I overclock it.
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#4621441 Posted on: 07/17/2013 09:08 PM
^Jesus how many different monitoring/overclocking apps do you have installed?
Get rid of all that crap software - your BIOS and MSI Afterburner are the only tools you need for overclocking....and maybe either AIDA64 or HWiNFO64 or CoreTemp for system info.
Using a whole bunch of different apps can cause conflicts and ties up the CPU unnecessarily.
Btw BF3 often locks up CPU's that appear to be stable. No idea why, it just does.
^Jesus how many different monitoring/overclocking apps do you have installed?
Get rid of all that crap software - your BIOS and MSI Afterburner are the only tools you need for overclocking....and maybe either AIDA64 or HWiNFO64 or CoreTemp for system info.
Using a whole bunch of different apps can cause conflicts and ties up the CPU unnecessarily.
Btw BF3 often locks up CPU's that appear to be stable. No idea why, it just does.
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#4621444 Posted on: 07/17/2013 09:16 PM
I was using only ASUS SmartDoctor cause it's program given with the GPU and I thought it's better. I have MSI Afterburner for OSD but I'll try to overclock from it. Deleted SmartDoctor and ASUS GamerOSD.
I was using only ASUS SmartDoctor cause it's program given with the GPU and I thought it's better. I have MSI Afterburner for OSD but I'll try to overclock from it. Deleted SmartDoctor and ASUS GamerOSD.
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#4621446 Posted on: 07/17/2013 09:25 PM
all those programs should not be run at the same time. 0124 is likely an unstable oc or not enough vcore.
all those programs should not be run at the same time. 0124 is likely an unstable oc or not enough vcore.
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#4621459 Posted on: 07/17/2013 09:39 PM
I am not running them all in the same time. Anyway I tried to overclock it with MSI Afterburner, I got a lot of errors in OCCT GPU stability.
I am not running them all in the same time. Anyway I tried to overclock it with MSI Afterburner, I got a lot of errors in OCCT GPU stability.
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#4621497 Posted on: 07/17/2013 11:07 PM
I think it may be a PSU problem, you mentioned that at stock CPU you could overclock the 470GTX to 7000MHz without issue, but when increasing the CPU overclock to 3.6GHz the 470GTX becomes unstable.
Not sure which PSU you have but if it is a multi rail design and aged 3-4 years it may not be providing proper Amps at 12v.
Your CPU is probably pulling 16-19 Amps and your 470GTX 18+ Amps, check the Amp output on your PSU.
There's something really weird here. I cleared CMOS cuz I thought there's a glitch/bug or something. I overclocked the card to 700 mhz while the CPU was fully stock(nothing changed in BIOS). It was stable and nothing was strange. After 30 min test I entered the BIOS and fixed everything. CPU frequency to 3,6 Ghz, this time I was running my RAM at 1:1 800MHz. The card was still overclocked to 700 MHz because ASUS SmartDoctor startup with the overclock. Some glitch appeared and my motherboard was showing -54 degrees in PC Probe and 44545446 degrees in Speedfan. When I set it to stock speed and restarted my PC, everything was normal. I had another graphic cards and all of them were overclocked. This one seems to make problems always when I overclock it.
I think it may be a PSU problem, you mentioned that at stock CPU you could overclock the 470GTX to 7000MHz without issue, but when increasing the CPU overclock to 3.6GHz the 470GTX becomes unstable.
Not sure which PSU you have but if it is a multi rail design and aged 3-4 years it may not be providing proper Amps at 12v.
Your CPU is probably pulling 16-19 Amps and your 470GTX 18+ Amps, check the Amp output on your PSU.
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#4621503 Posted on: 07/17/2013 11:19 PM
My PSU is Chieftec CFT-750-14CS. It has 4 rails with 18 amps and it has SLI certificate as far as I see. It must handle overclocked GTX 470. It has one 8 pin PCI-E connector and 3 6 pin PCI-E connectors.
Check it here -> http://www.chieftec.com/images/super-power_06.jpg
My PSU is Chieftec CFT-750-14CS. It has 4 rails with 18 amps and it has SLI certificate as far as I see. It must handle overclocked GTX 470. It has one 8 pin PCI-E connector and 3 6 pin PCI-E connectors.
Check it here -> http://www.chieftec.com/images/super-power_06.jpg
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#4622055 Posted on: 07/18/2013 05:38 PM
It is a good PSU.
You have to remember that like most PSU vendors they are liberal when it comes to the specs; your PSU for example is rated at a max of 720 watts across all 12v rails, a little bit of simple math and we come to 60 Amps or 15 Amps per rail, not the 18 Amps on the sticker.
Since most multi rail designs are really just a single rail with over voltage protection on each virtual rail there is some leeway in the Amps allowed to each rail, hence the 18 Amps on the sticker.
Add the age of your PSU and overclocking here and there combined with the multi rail voltage protection and you could run into some problems.
For me personally I always recommend PSU with one strong single rail design.
All in all I am just speculating from what you have posted is happening and the equipment in your PC.
It is a good PSU.
You have to remember that like most PSU vendors they are liberal when it comes to the specs; your PSU for example is rated at a max of 720 watts across all 12v rails, a little bit of simple math and we come to 60 Amps or 15 Amps per rail, not the 18 Amps on the sticker.
Since most multi rail designs are really just a single rail with over voltage protection on each virtual rail there is some leeway in the Amps allowed to each rail, hence the 18 Amps on the sticker.
Add the age of your PSU and overclocking here and there combined with the multi rail voltage protection and you could run into some problems.
For me personally I always recommend PSU with one strong single rail design.
All in all I am just speculating from what you have posted is happening and the equipment in your PC.
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Good info here for 470 OC
IIRC my old EVGA did 800MHz stable with 1.087v, it’s only running stock now as it’s in my son’s machine... but if needed for testing I can crank it back up.