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Microsoft confirms problem with Windows 10 update halting systems from starting
Microsoft has confirmed an issue with the latest update for Windows Defender for both Windows 10 and Windows Server 2016. The update was released earlier this week and due to the issue, some Windows 10 systems with Secure Boot will no longer start.
The update can also cause issues with AppLocker, if it’s activated it can block downloads in some cases reports MyCe. German Windows Expert Günter Born reports about the issue after some of his users alerted him about the problems.
Microsoft has confirmed the issues and provides workarounds that should solve both the AppLocker and SecureBoot problems. Besides the issues with this particular update, Born also reports that Microsoft had problems with its update servers after which users started to report about error messages when they tried to update.
The workarounds involve changing the allowed paths in Windows and disabling SecureBoot and require some manual typing. More information can be found on the Microsoft website.
There is a workaround and that means that secure boot is switched off, after which the update is reversed. Here are the steps that you should take according to Microsoft:
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Restart the device, and enter the BIOS.
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Turn off Secure Boot, and then restart the device again.
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In the administrative Command Prompt window, run the following command:
"% programdata% \ Microsoft \ Windows Defender \ Platform \ 4.18.1901-7 \ MpCmdRun.exe" -revertplatform -
Wait for one minute, and then the following:
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Run sc query windefend to verify that the Windows Defender service is running.
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Run sc qc windefend to verify that the Windows Defender binary no longer points to version 4.18.1901.7 .
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Restart the device, re-enter the BIOS, and then turn on Secure Boot.
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#5635890 Posted on: 02/05/2019 08:29 PM
From what I can tell, the Insider Program is more like an alpha testing ground. I recently recall hearing that those who manually check for updates are prone to getting updates that haven't been fully tested yet, and this is where MS is getting so heavily scrutinized.
The nice thing about Linux is how transparent everything is; you don't need to guess how things are done, and all decisions/changes are made public:
Linus Torvalds himself (the creator of Linux), and a few people he "appointed" (for lack of a better word), are the ones who ultimately control upstream Linux. It's surprisingly a small group of people. Most of the commits they deal with come from major corporations like IBM, Intel, Oracle, Google, Facebook, AMD, and even Microsoft, each of which has their own testers. Once someone like Linus approves of a commit, it goes into a kernel release candidate, which usually lasts for a week or two, and is available to anyone who wants to test something unstable. There are typically 7 release candidates before the kernel is officially deemed stable (and even then, the various distributions have a different definition of what they deem stable, so they might not be quick to use it). I don't know all the details but there is usually a point where the RCs are no longer accepting any new features, and are strictly testing for any changes in stability, performance, or functionality when compared to previous versions. So, there's basically a hierarchy of how testing is done.
I'm sure MS will learn, but they really need to hurry up because their current system is reflecting poorly.
Linux is a cancer. Linus Torvalds is a cancer. Expecting professional companies to support your amateur OS for free...then telling them to F off when they won't is a cancer.
The nice thing about Windows is with the BILLIONS of combinations of software, hardware and firmware 99% of the time it just works when you plug in or launch any of a billion different things. Good luck getting your printer to work on linux.
GD I get tired of the lazy analogy and comparison of linux to Windows. Linux BLOWS and is a CRIPPLED MESS compared to the functionality of Windows 10.
From what I can tell, the Insider Program is more like an alpha testing ground. I recently recall hearing that those who manually check for updates are prone to getting updates that haven't been fully tested yet, and this is where MS is getting so heavily scrutinized.
The nice thing about Linux is how transparent everything is; you don't need to guess how things are done, and all decisions/changes are made public:
Linus Torvalds himself (the creator of Linux), and a few people he "appointed" (for lack of a better word), are the ones who ultimately control upstream Linux. It's surprisingly a small group of people. Most of the commits they deal with come from major corporations like IBM, Intel, Oracle, Google, Facebook, AMD, and even Microsoft, each of which has their own testers. Once someone like Linus approves of a commit, it goes into a kernel release candidate, which usually lasts for a week or two, and is available to anyone who wants to test something unstable. There are typically 7 release candidates before the kernel is officially deemed stable (and even then, the various distributions have a different definition of what they deem stable, so they might not be quick to use it). I don't know all the details but there is usually a point where the RCs are no longer accepting any new features, and are strictly testing for any changes in stability, performance, or functionality when compared to previous versions. So, there's basically a hierarchy of how testing is done.
I'm sure MS will learn, but they really need to hurry up because their current system is reflecting poorly.
Linux is a cancer. Linus Torvalds is a cancer. Expecting professional companies to support your amateur OS for free...then telling them to F off when they won't is a cancer.
The nice thing about Windows is with the BILLIONS of combinations of software, hardware and firmware 99% of the time it just works when you plug in or launch any of a billion different things. Good luck getting your printer to work on linux.
GD I get tired of the lazy analogy and comparison of linux to Windows. Linux BLOWS and is a CRIPPLED MESS compared to the functionality of Windows 10.
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#5635894 Posted on: 02/05/2019 08:39 PM
Linux is a cancer. Linus Torvalds is a cancer. Expecting professional companies to support your amateur OS for free...then telling them to F off when they won't is a cancer.
The nice thing about Windows is with the BILLIONS of combinations of software, hardware and firmware 99% of the time it just works when you plug in or launch any of a billion different things. Good luck getting your printer to work on linux.
GD I get tired of the lazy analogy and comparison of linux to Windows. Linux BLOWS and is a CRIPPLED MESS compared to the functionality of Windows 10.
Nice attempt at trolling. I'm not falling for that.
Linux is a cancer. Linus Torvalds is a cancer. Expecting professional companies to support your amateur OS for free...then telling them to F off when they won't is a cancer.
The nice thing about Windows is with the BILLIONS of combinations of software, hardware and firmware 99% of the time it just works when you plug in or launch any of a billion different things. Good luck getting your printer to work on linux.
GD I get tired of the lazy analogy and comparison of linux to Windows. Linux BLOWS and is a CRIPPLED MESS compared to the functionality of Windows 10.
Nice attempt at trolling. I'm not falling for that.
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#5635896 Posted on: 02/05/2019 08:42 PM
Linux is not only ubuntu and other same of the kind distros. It is indeed a cancer in comparison to the professionalism of Windows. As an IT professional myself, when I can avoid any unix/linux based systems/servers, I do it with pleasure. Windows is the world we live in.
Nice attempt at trolling. I'm not falling for that.
Linux is not only ubuntu and other same of the kind distros. It is indeed a cancer in comparison to the professionalism of Windows. As an IT professional myself, when I can avoid any unix/linux based systems/servers, I do it with pleasure. Windows is the world we live in.
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#5635899 Posted on: 02/05/2019 08:53 PM
Linux is a cancer. Linus Torvalds is a cancer. Expecting professional companies to support your amateur OS for free...then telling them to F off when they won't is a cancer.
The nice thing about Windows is with the BILLIONS of combinations of software, hardware and firmware 99% of the time it just works when you plug in or launch any of a billion different things. Good luck getting your printer to work on linux.
GD I get tired of the lazy analogy and comparison of linux to Windows. Linux BLOWS and is a CRIPPLED MESS compared to the functionality of Windows 10.
I mean maybe it's a dick move but I fail to see how it's "cancer" like it literally shares no properties with cancer.
Also my printer works fine on basically every distro I've ever tried and even my android phone. Brother MFP.
Linux is a cancer. Linus Torvalds is a cancer. Expecting professional companies to support your amateur OS for free...then telling them to F off when they won't is a cancer.
The nice thing about Windows is with the BILLIONS of combinations of software, hardware and firmware 99% of the time it just works when you plug in or launch any of a billion different things. Good luck getting your printer to work on linux.
GD I get tired of the lazy analogy and comparison of linux to Windows. Linux BLOWS and is a CRIPPLED MESS compared to the functionality of Windows 10.
I mean maybe it's a dick move but I fail to see how it's "cancer" like it literally shares no properties with cancer.
Also my printer works fine on basically every distro I've ever tried and even my android phone. Brother MFP.
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#5635900 Posted on: 02/05/2019 08:55 PM
Wow... at least HeavyHemi had some semblance of a point/argument...
Meanwhile, you seem to be suggesting that I said Ubuntu is the only distro out there. I never mentioned Ubuntu (and for the record, I haven't installed it on any of my systems in 10 years).
Linux is not only ubuntu and other same of the kind distros. It is indeed a cancer in comparison to the professionalism of Windows. As an IT professional myself, when I can avoid any unix/linux based systems/servers, I do it with pleasure. Windows is the world we live in.
Wow... at least HeavyHemi had some semblance of a point/argument...
Meanwhile, you seem to be suggesting that I said Ubuntu is the only distro out there. I never mentioned Ubuntu (and for the record, I haven't installed it on any of my systems in 10 years).
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#5635907 Posted on: 02/05/2019 09:25 PM
Was it relevant to bring cars and robots here in this thread?
PS I mean do we see general purpose Linux/UNIX distros as a real time Operating Systems?
You made it relevant when you brought them up....
Windows Insider Program is the beta testing ground. If you are not the part of it you are not a beta tester. This thing is completely new for MS, they had no such programs for earlier versions (at least in such scale). Question is how good it is organized. We can guess not good at all. Also we can guess that Linux/UNIX beta testers are of higher level, have longer history, etc. We will see whether MS will learn and improve there.
Microsoft had a beta program prior to the Insider Program. I was one of the beta testers for Whistler (XP).
Linux is a cancer. Linus Torvalds is a cancer. Expecting professional companies to support your amateur OS for free...then telling them to F off when they won't is a cancer.
The nice thing about Windows is with the BILLIONS of combinations of software, hardware and firmware 99% of the time it just works when you plug in or launch any of a billion different things. Good luck getting your printer to work on linux.
GD I get tired of the lazy analogy and comparison of linux to Windows. Linux BLOWS and is a CRIPPLED MESS compared to the functionality of Windows 10.
I'm with Denial on this one. I fail to see how Linus is a "cancer".... Being a cancer patient, I'm rather qualified to make that statement....
Also, I've used numerous Linux distros over the years. I've never had a problem getting something to work, aside from games. Even all of my printers have worked under the various Linux distros I've used.
Wow... at least HeavyHemi had some semblance of a point/argument...
Meanwhile, you seem to be suggesting that I said Ubuntu is the only distro out there. I never mentioned Ubuntu (and for the record, I haven't installed it on any of my systems in 10 years).
He's nothing but a troll... No reason to even bother responding to him.
Was it relevant to bring cars and robots here in this thread?
PS I mean do we see general purpose Linux/UNIX distros as a real time Operating Systems?
You made it relevant when you brought them up....
Windows Insider Program is the beta testing ground. If you are not the part of it you are not a beta tester. This thing is completely new for MS, they had no such programs for earlier versions (at least in such scale). Question is how good it is organized. We can guess not good at all. Also we can guess that Linux/UNIX beta testers are of higher level, have longer history, etc. We will see whether MS will learn and improve there.
Microsoft had a beta program prior to the Insider Program. I was one of the beta testers for Whistler (XP).
Linux is a cancer. Linus Torvalds is a cancer. Expecting professional companies to support your amateur OS for free...then telling them to F off when they won't is a cancer.
The nice thing about Windows is with the BILLIONS of combinations of software, hardware and firmware 99% of the time it just works when you plug in or launch any of a billion different things. Good luck getting your printer to work on linux.
GD I get tired of the lazy analogy and comparison of linux to Windows. Linux BLOWS and is a CRIPPLED MESS compared to the functionality of Windows 10.
I'm with Denial on this one. I fail to see how Linus is a "cancer".... Being a cancer patient, I'm rather qualified to make that statement....
Also, I've used numerous Linux distros over the years. I've never had a problem getting something to work, aside from games. Even all of my printers have worked under the various Linux distros I've used.
Wow... at least HeavyHemi had some semblance of a point/argument...
Meanwhile, you seem to be suggesting that I said Ubuntu is the only distro out there. I never mentioned Ubuntu (and for the record, I haven't installed it on any of my systems in 10 years).
He's nothing but a troll... No reason to even bother responding to him.
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#5635909 Posted on: 02/05/2019 09:27 PM
@sykozis
To mbk1969's defense, I actually brought up cars and robots.
EDIT:
That being said, I saw your comment about Fords that use a MS-based system, which was a good point. Though, I was more focused on stuff like ECUs and autonomy, rather than media units.
@sykozis
To mbk1969's defense, I actually brought up cars and robots.
EDIT:
That being said, I saw your comment about Fords that use a MS-based system, which was a good point. Though, I was more focused on stuff like ECUs and autonomy, rather than media units.
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#5635910 Posted on: 02/05/2019 09:28 PM
As an what? "IT Professional?"
You must be kidding today. I know 6 out of hundreds of my System, Middleware, DB, ... admin colleagues who would prefer Windows over Linux for work.
(That includes midrange, Mainframe and cloud.)
And do you know what they run instead of linux? Mac. So another "unix-like OS". And yes some of those people are Windows system administrators.
Only people in our company who run Windows are pencil pushers. And even large portion of them run linux. Wanna know why? Because in case of troubles they can walk by any admin and ask for help... few commands and issue fixed.
Linux is not only ubuntu and other same of the kind distros. It is indeed a cancer in comparison to the professionalism of Windows. As an IT professional myself, when I can avoid any unix/linux based systems/servers, I do it with pleasure. Windows is the world we live in.
As an what? "IT Professional?"
You must be kidding today. I know 6 out of hundreds of my System, Middleware, DB, ... admin colleagues who would prefer Windows over Linux for work.
(That includes midrange, Mainframe and cloud.)
And do you know what they run instead of linux? Mac. So another "unix-like OS". And yes some of those people are Windows system administrators.
Only people in our company who run Windows are pencil pushers. And even large portion of them run linux. Wanna know why? Because in case of troubles they can walk by any admin and ask for help... few commands and issue fixed.
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#5635911 Posted on: 02/05/2019 09:29 PM
@sykozis Trollkozis spoken the truth. Right. Ignore or report. Bye.
@sykozis Trollkozis spoken the truth. Right. Ignore or report. Bye.
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#5635915 Posted on: 02/05/2019 09:32 PM
@schmidtbag @Fox2232 I don't care about telling much. I love my time and efforts.
Windows provides the best combination of all. I value the less hassle and headaches introduced by free code based os which is more liked and preferable by poor university students or teen users learning as an audience. That's all to me.
@schmidtbag @Fox2232 I don't care about telling much. I love my time and efforts.
Windows provides the best combination of all. I value the less hassle and headaches introduced by free code based os which is more liked and preferable by poor university students or teen users learning as an audience. That's all to me.
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#5635919 Posted on: 02/05/2019 09:40 PM
@schmidtbag @Fox2232 I don't care about telling much. I love my time and efforts.
Windows provides the best combination of all. I value the less hassle and headaches introduced by free code based os which is more liked and preferable by poor university students or teen users learning as an audience. That's all to me.
Now I am sure that you are indeed joking. You almost had me
@schmidtbag @Fox2232 I don't care about telling much. I love my time and efforts.
Windows provides the best combination of all. I value the less hassle and headaches introduced by free code based os which is more liked and preferable by poor university students or teen users learning as an audience. That's all to me.
Now I am sure that you are indeed joking. You almost had me
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#5635923 Posted on: 02/05/2019 09:54 PM
And how many people knew about that? Was there a link somewhere in Windows itself to join?
Microsoft had a beta program prior to the Insider Program. I was one of the beta testers for Whistler (XP).
And how many people knew about that? Was there a link somewhere in Windows itself to join?
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#5635925 Posted on: 02/05/2019 09:58 PM
From Wikipedia:
Alpha testing is simulated or actual operational testing by potential users/customers or an independent test team at the developers' site. Alpha testing is often employed for off-the-shelf software as a form of internal acceptance testing before the software goes to beta testing.
Beta testing comes after alpha testing and can be considered a form of external user acceptance testing. Versions of the software, known as beta versions, are released to a limited audience outside of the programming team known as beta testers. The software is released to groups of people so that further testing can ensure the product has few faults or bugs. Beta versions can be made available to the open public to increase the feedback field to a maximal number of future users and to deliver value earlier, for an extended or even indefinite period of time (perpetual beta).
- so Insider program can`t be labelled as alpha testing.
From what I can tell, the Insider Program is more like an alpha testing ground.
From Wikipedia:
Alpha testing
Alpha testing is simulated or actual operational testing by potential users/customers or an independent test team at the developers' site. Alpha testing is often employed for off-the-shelf software as a form of internal acceptance testing before the software goes to beta testing.
Beta testing
Beta testing comes after alpha testing and can be considered a form of external user acceptance testing. Versions of the software, known as beta versions, are released to a limited audience outside of the programming team known as beta testers. The software is released to groups of people so that further testing can ensure the product has few faults or bugs. Beta versions can be made available to the open public to increase the feedback field to a maximal number of future users and to deliver value earlier, for an extended or even indefinite period of time (perpetual beta).
- so Insider program can`t be labelled as alpha testing.
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#5635936 Posted on: 02/05/2019 10:39 PM
From Wikipedia:
Alpha testing is simulated or actual operational testing by potential users/customers or an independent test team at the developers' site. Alpha testing is often employed for off-the-shelf software as a form of internal acceptance testing before the software goes to beta testing.
- so Insider program can`t be labelled as alpha testing.
You are right about the Wikipedia definition but real life Microsoft universe is different so let me fix schmidtbag quote for you in MS realm:
From what I can tell, the Insider Program is more like an "Microsoft alpha testing" ground using customers happy to serve as guinea pigs.
From Wikipedia:
Alpha testing
Alpha testing is simulated or actual operational testing by potential users/customers or an independent test team at the developers' site. Alpha testing is often employed for off-the-shelf software as a form of internal acceptance testing before the software goes to beta testing.
- so Insider program can`t be labelled as alpha testing.
You are right about the Wikipedia definition but real life Microsoft universe is different so let me fix schmidtbag quote for you in MS realm:
From what I can tell, the Insider Program is more like an "Microsoft alpha testing" ground using customers happy to serve as guinea pigs.
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Just informed my upper admins about this issue, they somehow missed it, and was like shaking a wasp nest, everyone start cursing the Microsoft devs team and their doings.
Sorry, but after you PAY a licence and get this kind of issues, be sure that you will never get any praise, even that in the past you raised the bar and offered a enterprise platform.
Times are changing, and everyday that passed my upper admins are googling more than ever Redhat and SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop...