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Microsoft confirms problem with Windows 10 update halting systems from starting
Microsoft has confirmed an issue with the latest update for Windows Defender for both Windows 10 and Windows Server 2016. The update was released earlier this week and due to the issue, some Windows 10 systems with Secure Boot will no longer start.
The update can also cause issues with AppLocker, if it’s activated it can block downloads in some cases reports MyCe. German Windows Expert Günter Born reports about the issue after some of his users alerted him about the problems.
Microsoft has confirmed the issues and provides workarounds that should solve both the AppLocker and SecureBoot problems. Besides the issues with this particular update, Born also reports that Microsoft had problems with its update servers after which users started to report about error messages when they tried to update.
The workarounds involve changing the allowed paths in Windows and disabling SecureBoot and require some manual typing. More information can be found on the Microsoft website.
There is a workaround and that means that secure boot is switched off, after which the update is reversed. Here are the steps that you should take according to Microsoft:
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Restart the device, and enter the BIOS.
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Turn off Secure Boot, and then restart the device again.
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In the administrative Command Prompt window, run the following command:
"% programdata% \ Microsoft \ Windows Defender \ Platform \ 4.18.1901-7 \ MpCmdRun.exe" -revertplatform -
Wait for one minute, and then the following:
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Run sc query windefend to verify that the Windows Defender service is running.
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Run sc qc windefend to verify that the Windows Defender binary no longer points to version 4.18.1901.7 .
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Restart the device, re-enter the BIOS, and then turn on Secure Boot.
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#5635372 Posted on: 02/04/2019 06:17 PM
Well, Proton for Steam on Linux is shaping up nicely. It still has a long way to go but since it's release less than a half year ago, the amount of supported titles has increased dramatically.
But, if you like to play games that have their own DRM, you're going to have a bad time, for now anyway.
No, but just about every modern OS out there has significantly fewer and less critical bugs than Windows.
I understand no one has a crystal ball, but will there ever be a time where MICROSOFT will die and us PC gamers can game without needing Windows 10 and dIrectx within my life time? I'm 34 by the way. I just really hate Microsoft.
Well, Proton for Steam on Linux is shaping up nicely. It still has a long way to go but since it's release less than a half year ago, the amount of supported titles has increased dramatically.
But, if you like to play games that have their own DRM, you're going to have a bad time, for now anyway.
There are no Operating Systems (and other complex software) without bugs.
No, but just about every modern OS out there has significantly fewer and less critical bugs than Windows.
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#5635373 Posted on: 02/04/2019 06:18 PM
Well I am 37 and i dual boot with linux and to be honest proton steams offshoot of wine and its vulkan to dx render tool dxvk we are pretty much there already with only really the latest releases having unacceptable performance but that changes daily as more people contributing fixes.
I understand no one has a crystal ball, but will there ever be a time where MICROSOFT will die and us PC gamers can game without needing Windows 10 and dIrectx within my life time? I'm 34 by the way. I just really hate Microsoft.
Well I am 37 and i dual boot with linux and to be honest proton steams offshoot of wine and its vulkan to dx render tool dxvk we are pretty much there already with only really the latest releases having unacceptable performance but that changes daily as more people contributing fixes.
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#5635376 Posted on: 02/04/2019 06:22 PM
Which are just common words being not backed by serious deep comparison.
PS I witnessed much more numbers of strange behaviors from Android devices. And I consider some Android features (from diff. versions) as a bugs in design.
No, but just about every modern OS out there has significantly fewer and less critical bugs than Windows.
Which are just common words being not backed by serious deep comparison.
PS I witnessed much more numbers of strange behaviors from Android devices. And I consider some Android features (from diff. versions) as a bugs in design.
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#5635385 Posted on: 02/04/2019 06:38 PM
Tell that to all the Linux and BSD system admins out there. Tell that to all the Apple (Mac or iOS) users. Tell that to agencies that develop robots, cars, and spacecraft (trust me, most of them don't depend on Windows). Tell that to the millions of people who still encounter malware and security issues on Windows, or those who encounter BSoDs.
There are real-world comparisons. Look at graphs and data of system uptimes, day-zero patches, or emergency patches among other OSes, and you'll find Windows is straggling far behind. Look up news articles regarding regressions for any widely-used OS and you'll find Windows 10 by far has the most results.
It's worth pointing out things weren't always this way. Windows 7 was much more stable, still behind other OSes but not enough to make a note of it. This is because back then, MS had a real quality assurance team and actually double-checked their work. Today, they are being recklessly neglectful, and if you disagree, Windows Server systems not starting up is enough proof against that. This is the sort of problem that costs companies a lot of money, and I can't recall the last time another OS had such a major issue.
Which are just common words being not backed by serious deep comparison.
Tell that to all the Linux and BSD system admins out there. Tell that to all the Apple (Mac or iOS) users. Tell that to agencies that develop robots, cars, and spacecraft (trust me, most of them don't depend on Windows). Tell that to the millions of people who still encounter malware and security issues on Windows, or those who encounter BSoDs.
There are real-world comparisons. Look at graphs and data of system uptimes, day-zero patches, or emergency patches among other OSes, and you'll find Windows is straggling far behind. Look up news articles regarding regressions for any widely-used OS and you'll find Windows 10 by far has the most results.
It's worth pointing out things weren't always this way. Windows 7 was much more stable, still behind other OSes but not enough to make a note of it. This is because back then, MS had a real quality assurance team and actually double-checked their work. Today, they are being recklessly neglectful, and if you disagree, Windows Server systems not starting up is enough proof against that. This is the sort of problem that costs companies a lot of money, and I can't recall the last time another OS had such a major issue.
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#5635394 Posted on: 02/04/2019 06:52 PM
Same
This is why I'm still on windows 7, it's just not worth the trouble to downgrade to a broken rolling release windows 10.
Same
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#5635401 Posted on: 02/04/2019 07:08 PM
^ You will never enjoy butter gaming without DX12, by owning an AMD card, as DX11 is weak there. So you doesn't game a lot it seems, still in 2019. Windows 10 is the future of smooth gaming. Windows 7 is a mess of stutter, tearing and less multithreading experience.
^ You will never enjoy butter gaming without DX12, by owning an AMD card, as DX11 is weak there. So you doesn't game a lot it seems, still in 2019. Windows 10 is the future of smooth gaming. Windows 7 is a mess of stutter, tearing and less multithreading experience.
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#5635406 Posted on: 02/04/2019 07:12 PM
Well, there's always Vulkan, and it seems there's some plans to port DXVK to Windows. If you're an Intel user, there shouldn't be any stuttering, but I could see how a Ryzen might have issues.
^ You will never enjoy butter gaming without DX12, by owning an AMD card, as DX11 is weak there. So you doesn't game a lot it seems, still in 2019. Windows 10 is the future of smooth gaming. Windows 7 is a mess of stutter, tearing and less multithreading experience.
Well, there's always Vulkan, and it seems there's some plans to port DXVK to Windows. If you're an Intel user, there shouldn't be any stuttering, but I could see how a Ryzen might have issues.
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#5635411 Posted on: 02/04/2019 07:21 PM
Actually, moving from intel's 4C/4T to AMD's 8C/16T removed loads of stuttering for me. And at the end, even bulldozer 8C/8T would do better than my intel's 4C/4T due to most of games having issues did saturate all 4 cores (choking system).
Well, there's always Vulkan, and it seems there's some plans to port DXVK to Windows. If you're an Intel user, there shouldn't be any stuttering, but I could see how a Ryzen might have issues.
Actually, moving from intel's 4C/4T to AMD's 8C/16T removed loads of stuttering for me. And at the end, even bulldozer 8C/8T would do better than my intel's 4C/4T due to most of games having issues did saturate all 4 cores (choking system).
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#5635414 Posted on: 02/04/2019 07:24 PM
Interesting. I guess with having so many real cores, any inefficiencies due to the Windows 7 scheduler don't make enough of an impact, vs a starved quad core.
Actually, moving from intel's 4C/4T to AMD's 8C/16T removed loads of stuttering for me. And at the end, even bulldozer 8C/8T would do better than my intel's 4C/4T due to most of games having issues did saturate all 4 cores (choking system).
Interesting. I guess with having so many real cores, any inefficiencies due to the Windows 7 scheduler don't make enough of an impact, vs a starved quad core.
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#5635431 Posted on: 02/04/2019 07:57 PM
Point I was making is that there is no excuse for DIRECTX11 to run better than 12. Users were forced to move away from Windows 7 and artificially limited DIRECT12 to run on Windows 7.
I run HP TUNERS software on my 1999 LS1 Engine and there is no damn reason for Windows to keep downloading large updates and the only way to ignore it is to run on AIRPLANE mode. I hate the force restarts and when you ignore it after a few times it does it itself during a 15 min countdown or whatever. Oh also Windows always turns on by it self after sitting in sleep mode with a few hrs. There are times where I need to run a live diagnostics on a friends vehicle or mine and Windows update gets in the way. I had some issues a year ago or so where it messed up my internet connection and CPU and RAM usage would be pegged really high and the only way it goes away is by my restarting itself.I have nothing but FIREFOX & HP TUNERS loaded on that laptop/tablet and no porn or other shit and Windows 10 is finds a way to piss me off.
Point I was making is that there is no excuse for DIRECTX11 to run better than 12. Users were forced to move away from Windows 7 and artificially limited DIRECT12 to run on Windows 7.
I run HP TUNERS software on my 1999 LS1 Engine and there is no damn reason for Windows to keep downloading large updates and the only way to ignore it is to run on AIRPLANE mode. I hate the force restarts and when you ignore it after a few times it does it itself during a 15 min countdown or whatever. Oh also Windows always turns on by it self after sitting in sleep mode with a few hrs. There are times where I need to run a live diagnostics on a friends vehicle or mine and Windows update gets in the way. I had some issues a year ago or so where it messed up my internet connection and CPU and RAM usage would be pegged really high and the only way it goes away is by my restarting itself.I have nothing but FIREFOX & HP TUNERS loaded on that laptop/tablet and no porn or other shit and Windows 10 is finds a way to piss me off.
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#5635453 Posted on: 02/04/2019 08:38 PM
Strange, as i am
EDIT:
Im enjoying my 20/30fps more, in the Resident Evil Remake, in Dx11 over 12. :p
^ You will never enjoy butter gaming without DX12, by owning an AMD card, as DX11 is weak there.
Strange, as i am
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Im enjoying my 20/30fps more, in the Resident Evil Remake, in Dx11 over 12. :p
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#5635455 Posted on: 02/04/2019 08:41 PM
Tell that to all the Linux and BSD system admins out there. Tell that to all the Apple (Mac or iOS) users. Tell that to agencies that develop robots, cars, and spacecraft (trust me, most of them don't depend on Windows). Tell that to the millions of people who still encounter malware and security issues on Windows, or those who encounter BSoDs.
There are real-world comparisons. Look at graphs and data of system uptimes, day-zero patches, or emergency patches among other OSes, and you'll find Windows is straggling far behind. Look up news articles regarding regressions for any widely-used OS and you'll find Windows 10 by far has the most results.
It's worth pointing out things weren't always this way. Windows 7 was much more stable, still behind other OSes but not enough to make a note of it. This is because back then, MS had a real quality assurance team and actually double-checked their work. Today, they are being recklessly neglectful, and if you disagree, Windows Server systems not starting up is enough proof against that. This is the sort of problem that costs companies a lot of money, and I can't recall the last time another OS had such a major issue.
Mas OS is completely another story. It is developed for completely closed proprietary platform.
I have not encountered BSODs since Win7 times. As well as my co-workers. And I changed to Win8.1, and then to Win10 without any BSODs.
I can answer in your style: tell that to majority of users who use Windows without any issues. I bet they are namely majority.
Also we can guess that many sites like guru3d just do not post news about other Operating Systems.
Windows was never declared as real-time OS. So it can`t be used in cars, robots. And overall Windows was never declared as the best OS for all purposes.
I still amused by the fact how good Windows works on all these combinations of hardware which is supposed to be compatible with each other, but alas - only on paper.
Also I still amused by the fact that I still can play games which were produced with ancient WinXP, and use apps developed for Win2k. I remember my confusion and disappointment when I gifted a PS3 to a friendly family and we discovered that games from PS2 do not work on PS3. I was so used to the compatibility of Windows that I just have not thought about consoles.
Tell that to all the Linux and BSD system admins out there. Tell that to all the Apple (Mac or iOS) users. Tell that to agencies that develop robots, cars, and spacecraft (trust me, most of them don't depend on Windows). Tell that to the millions of people who still encounter malware and security issues on Windows, or those who encounter BSoDs.
There are real-world comparisons. Look at graphs and data of system uptimes, day-zero patches, or emergency patches among other OSes, and you'll find Windows is straggling far behind. Look up news articles regarding regressions for any widely-used OS and you'll find Windows 10 by far has the most results.
It's worth pointing out things weren't always this way. Windows 7 was much more stable, still behind other OSes but not enough to make a note of it. This is because back then, MS had a real quality assurance team and actually double-checked their work. Today, they are being recklessly neglectful, and if you disagree, Windows Server systems not starting up is enough proof against that. This is the sort of problem that costs companies a lot of money, and I can't recall the last time another OS had such a major issue.
Mas OS is completely another story. It is developed for completely closed proprietary platform.
I have not encountered BSODs since Win7 times. As well as my co-workers. And I changed to Win8.1, and then to Win10 without any BSODs.
I can answer in your style: tell that to majority of users who use Windows without any issues. I bet they are namely majority.
Also we can guess that many sites like guru3d just do not post news about other Operating Systems.
Windows was never declared as real-time OS. So it can`t be used in cars, robots. And overall Windows was never declared as the best OS for all purposes.
I still amused by the fact how good Windows works on all these combinations of hardware which is supposed to be compatible with each other, but alas - only on paper.
Also I still amused by the fact that I still can play games which were produced with ancient WinXP, and use apps developed for Win2k. I remember my confusion and disappointment when I gifted a PS3 to a friendly family and we discovered that games from PS2 do not work on PS3. I was so used to the compatibility of Windows that I just have not thought about consoles.
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#5635474 Posted on: 02/04/2019 09:26 PM
Windows for a long while was hardly any different. The only real difference is MS licensed Windows to OEMs and was very late to introduce driver signing, whereas Apple wanted to provide their own hardware and control their market.
Sure, today MS is open-sourcing a lot of their existing stuff, but Windows itself is still pretty locked-down and proprietary.
Personal anecdotes are not substantial evidence. I myself haven't encountered any BSODs transitioning to 8.1 to 10 either (and I've done several transitions), but that doesn't mean anything.
I don't know what kind of world you live in to think that the majority of Windows users have no issues. That's absurd. The majority of Windows users merely tolerate their issues or accept them as their reality, but that doesn't mean they don't have valid complaints that don't exist on other OSes. And keep in mind how I phrased that: I'm not counting complaints that you can find elsewhere, because that means they're not necessarily MS's fault.
Note how I didn't specify. I'm giving you free-reign to use whatever sources you like. Use bug trackers if you want. I'm that confident in my claims.
Actually, there are realtime versions of Windows. I'm not sure if they're officially supported by Microsoft, but they definitely exist.
I never said anything about what's best. Windows has its merits; I'm not denying that. The reason I brought up these specialized devices is because of the topic at hand: bugs and stability. Windows just isn't stable or secure enough in such cases.
It is amusing, considering how poorly it performs relative to other OSes on the same devices (well, maybe not so much graphical applications on Mac - their GPU performance has really been suffering). No need for paper claims, there's plenty of benchmarks comparing OSes to each other from various sources.
There's a reason Windows RT was a failure, and software compatibility was not the only issue.
Not sure how that's relevant. But since you brought it up, most OSes on x86 can also play most games from the Windows XP days. In some cases, those OSes can play those games where Windows 10 won't, if you didn't pay extra for a version that comes with compatibility mode.
Mas OS is completely another story. It is developed for completely closed proprietary platform.
Windows for a long while was hardly any different. The only real difference is MS licensed Windows to OEMs and was very late to introduce driver signing, whereas Apple wanted to provide their own hardware and control their market.
Sure, today MS is open-sourcing a lot of their existing stuff, but Windows itself is still pretty locked-down and proprietary.
I have not encountered BSODs since Win7 times. As well as my co-workers. And I changed to Win8.1, and then to Win10 without any BSODs.
I can answer in your style: tell that to majority of users who use Windows without any issues. I bet they are namely majority.
I can answer in your style: tell that to majority of users who use Windows without any issues. I bet they are namely majority.
Personal anecdotes are not substantial evidence. I myself haven't encountered any BSODs transitioning to 8.1 to 10 either (and I've done several transitions), but that doesn't mean anything.
I don't know what kind of world you live in to think that the majority of Windows users have no issues. That's absurd. The majority of Windows users merely tolerate their issues or accept them as their reality, but that doesn't mean they don't have valid complaints that don't exist on other OSes. And keep in mind how I phrased that: I'm not counting complaints that you can find elsewhere, because that means they're not necessarily MS's fault.
Also we can guess that many sites like guru3d just do not post news about other Operating Systems.
Note how I didn't specify. I'm giving you free-reign to use whatever sources you like. Use bug trackers if you want. I'm that confident in my claims.
Windows was never declared as real-time OS. So it can`t be used in cars, robots. And overall Windows was never declared as the best OS for all purposes.
Actually, there are realtime versions of Windows. I'm not sure if they're officially supported by Microsoft, but they definitely exist.
I never said anything about what's best. Windows has its merits; I'm not denying that. The reason I brought up these specialized devices is because of the topic at hand: bugs and stability. Windows just isn't stable or secure enough in such cases.
I still amused by the fact how good Windows works on all these combinations of hardware which is supposed to be compatible with each other, but alas - only on paper.
It is amusing, considering how poorly it performs relative to other OSes on the same devices (well, maybe not so much graphical applications on Mac - their GPU performance has really been suffering). No need for paper claims, there's plenty of benchmarks comparing OSes to each other from various sources.
There's a reason Windows RT was a failure, and software compatibility was not the only issue.
Also I still amused by the fact that I still can play games which were produced with ancient WinXP, and use apps developed for Win2k. I remember my confusion and disappointment when I gifted a PS3 to a friendly family and we discovered that games from PS2 do not work on PS3. I was so used to the compatibility of Windows that I just have not thought about consoles.
Not sure how that's relevant. But since you brought it up, most OSes on x86 can also play most games from the Windows XP days. In some cases, those OSes can play those games where Windows 10 won't, if you didn't pay extra for a version that comes with compatibility mode.
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#5635479 Posted on: 02/04/2019 09:38 PM
Your troubles will come once developers decide to no longer support Win 7 with Software and Drivers
This is why I'm still on windows 7, it's just not worth the trouble to downgrade to a broken rolling release windows 10.
Your troubles will come once developers decide to no longer support Win 7 with Software and Drivers
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I still love Windows. I configure and tweak it since Win3.1.
There are no Operating Systems (and other complex software) without bugs.
PS And I develop with Win API since Win95. Still use it from time to time. And I absolutely in love with .Net Framework, with C# and with VisualStudio.