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Manufacturers roll out firmware updates for GeForce GTX 1070 due to memory Issue
If you own a GeForce GTX 1070, you might want to pay attention to this news-item as you could be effected. There have been some problems reported with certain GeForce GTX 1070 cards.
After further investigation it became apparant that the issues like flickering and poor memory overclocking results on the memory sub-system are graphics memory related. GeForce GTX 1070 cards fitted with Samsung memory do not have any issues, however some manufacturers have or switched towards Micron chips, and these are the culprit of the reported issues. Especially during overclocking of the graphics memory problems will appear fast with bad results like checkerboard patterns. The problem is was found in the the speed of the voltage adjustment from the low power idle P-States to support the memory voltage requirements under load. If you can keep the idle voltage above 0.800V before you apply the overclock you never see the issue.
Some users also have reported that at default configuration they noticed the occasional odd issue like flickering or experiencing graphical artifacts. Multiple brands are and could be effected. Right now most of them are working on (or already issuing) a BIOS firmware update for the graphics cards, these BIOS updates likely increase the voltage level of the GDDR5 memory. Mind you that this only effects GeForce GTX 1070 graphics cards fitted with Micron based GDDR5 memory.
I've been doing some rounds at the manufacturers with the following info (we'll update as feedback gets in). A number of manufacturers is or have been working on VBIOS updates:
- EVGA: updates download here
- Gainward: updates download here (select card -> BIOS download)
- Palit: updates download here (select card -> download)
- MSI : Updates downloads available (check for proper card model!)
- Gigabyte: F11_Beta Update downloads available (check for proper card model!)
- ASUS downloads available (check for proper card model!)
- Inno3D: did not reply
- KFA2/Galaxy: did not reply
- PNY: did not reply
- Zotac: no info available on website - update should be out
The most easy way to check what brand of memory your GeForce GTX 1070 is using is to download GPU-Z and read out the memory type (click thumbnail below for an example). The reality is that Micron’s GDDR5 memory chips shouldn’t really be any weaker opposed to what the Samsung ICs are doing. All cards we tested here ate Guru3D.com got Samsung memory. It however is not uncommon for manufacturers to switch to another brand of memory, as they purchase them in SMT batches and yes, a selection in price is made but should not effect performance. Due to the fact that our samples have Samsung memory we have not been able to verify any instability.
Have you noticed any issues with your GTX 1070? If so, let us know in the comments of this news-itsem.
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#5348394 Posted on: 10/20/2016 03:42 PM
How can you find out the type of chip on linux(ubuntu, specifically)? ive been searching around and cant seem to find the way to get that information.
How can you find out the type of chip on linux(ubuntu, specifically)? ive been searching around and cant seem to find the way to get that information.
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#5348405 Posted on: 10/20/2016 03:55 PM
Well if it is vram then they will most likely increase voltage and even loosen up some timing. If they do change the timings then it will decrease performance. Well it will be nice to see a performance comparison between the different BIOS files just to be sure they didn't touch those timings.
Well if it is vram then they will most likely increase voltage and even loosen up some timing. If they do change the timings then it will decrease performance. Well it will be nice to see a performance comparison between the different BIOS files just to be sure they didn't touch those timings.
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#5348416 Posted on: 10/20/2016 04:21 PM
Perhaps 0.1% difference.
Not worth benching that as you wont notice it ingame.
Also you have AMD so why worry?
Well if it is vram then they will most likely increase voltage and even loosen up some timing. If they do change the timings then it will decrease performance. Well it will be nice to see a performance comparison between the different BIOS files just to be sure they didn't touch those timings.
Perhaps 0.1% difference.
Not worth benching that as you wont notice it ingame.
Also you have AMD so why worry?
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#5348426 Posted on: 10/20/2016 04:37 PM
Samsung memory here, +700/800 on memory and never seen a single artifact. OC on core is ****ty though, can't get over 2050MHz stable.
Samsung memory here, +700/800 on memory and never seen a single artifact. OC on core is ****ty though, can't get over 2050MHz stable.
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#5348463 Posted on: 10/20/2016 05:10 PM
So the X70 series of nVidia's lineup are doomed to have memory problems, are them?
So the X70 series of nVidia's lineup are doomed to have memory problems, are them?
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#5348467 Posted on: 10/20/2016 05:14 PM
I doubt it. But I'm going to roll the dice on one soon. If its micron and has no issues at stock settings, then it will be fine by me.
So the X70 series of nVidia's lineup are doomed to have memory problems, are them?
I doubt it. But I'm going to roll the dice on one soon. If its micron and has no issues at stock settings, then it will be fine by me.
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#5348475 Posted on: 10/20/2016 05:25 PM
HMMM strange,they have BIOS for FE cards with micron.
08G-P4-6170-KR - EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 FOUNDERS EDITION
Anyway I have a Gigabyte 1070 with Micron.No problems on the ram.
Although I see posts about any 1070 card with Micron is going to fail.
The cards come with a warranty,RMA if needed.
There is something to be said about 1st-batch products...
HMMM strange,they have BIOS for FE cards with micron.
08G-P4-6170-KR - EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 FOUNDERS EDITION
Anyway I have a Gigabyte 1070 with Micron.No problems on the ram.
Although I see posts about any 1070 card with Micron is going to fail.
The cards come with a warranty,RMA if needed.
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#5348477 Posted on: 10/20/2016 05:26 PM
You always can power MOD
GTX 1080 FE + GTX 1070 FE Power Limit Mod - Unlock the Power Target
But the bios flash should fix this, if they choose to do it correctly!
You always can power MOD
GTX 1080 FE + GTX 1070 FE Power Limit Mod - Unlock the Power Target
But the bios flash should fix this, if they choose to do it correctly!
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#5348490 Posted on: 10/20/2016 05:57 PM
GPU-Z says Samsung chips. Cool
GPU-Z says Samsung chips. Cool
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#5348494 Posted on: 10/20/2016 06:03 PM
This kind of **** is what keeps me from throwing money down for better cards. I'd rather settle with a 1050/60 than pay for a card that doesn't work right.
This kind of **** is what keeps me from throwing money down for better cards. I'd rather settle with a 1050/60 than pay for a card that doesn't work right.
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#5348504 Posted on: 10/20/2016 06:42 PM
Same here.
I have a gigabyte gaming G1 and GPUZ is showing that I have micron memory.
Same here.
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#5348511 Posted on: 10/20/2016 06:56 PM
It's irritating that this slipped through QA yes. But come on now ... 2 clicks in windows on an exe and 10 seconds + a reboot later it's fixed. How many times did you update your motherboard BIOS. It is not very different.
This kind of **** is what keeps me from throwing money down for better cards. I'd rather settle with a 1050/60 than pay for a card that doesn't work right.
It's irritating that this slipped through QA yes. But come on now ... 2 clicks in windows on an exe and 10 seconds + a reboot later it's fixed. How many times did you update your motherboard BIOS. It is not very different.
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#5348516 Posted on: 10/20/2016 06:58 PM
The way I've read it is that the problem is not Nvidia's fault - the problem is 3rd party vendors using different chips such as Micron.
BIOS updates on graphic cards are common place today and it's no different than updating the BIOS on your Motherboard and shouldn't be seen as something different.
Same goes with firmware updates on mice, keyboards, headphones etc...
Here we go again. I hate those dirty discoveries months after a product's release. Sure this is not the 970 memory fiasco but still it's a dirty discovery hidden under the rug. Can NVIDIA stop this already with these expensive products?
The way I've read it is that the problem is not Nvidia's fault - the problem is 3rd party vendors using different chips such as Micron.
BIOS updates on graphic cards are common place today and it's no different than updating the BIOS on your Motherboard and shouldn't be seen as something different.
Same goes with firmware updates on mice, keyboards, headphones etc...
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#5348534 Posted on: 10/20/2016 07:44 PM
My inno3d ichill x3 flickers some lines when I'm on the welcome and lock screen. This happens since the beginning
My inno3d ichill x3 flickers some lines when I'm on the welcome and lock screen. This happens since the beginning
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Got a Gigabyte GTX1070 mini itx OC and on GPU z it shows GDDR5 (Micron). I get a kind of ghosting effect when gaming or watching videos/movies, is this related to the memory issue?