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Updated: Geforce RTX 2080 Ti Super Rumors Surface again
The topic title says it all. Back in June when we talked to NVIDIA about it, we asked and they said they had no plans for a SUPER model GeForce RTX 2080 Ti. Then again, if it is possible, you know they will right? So something interesting has happened. A new entry in the changelog of AIDA64 beta is creating a bit of chatter.
Recent release notes from AIDA64 in beta version 6.00.5151 indicated this Nvidia Geforce RTX new graphics card based on TU102. The GPU is obviously is used in the upper high-end segment of cards is used in the RTX 2080 Ti, Titan RTX, Quadro RTX 8000 and Quadro RTX 6000. Check that cryptic listing entry, interesting right.
Update: November 20th 2019. Again new chatter is hitting the web, a tweet from info leaker kopite7kimi is hinting towards an RTX 2080 Ti SUPER. While it is the most unsubstantiated rumor this far, it indicates a full 4,608 CUDA cores, 576 tensor cores, and 72 RT cores, and thus 288 TMUs and 96 ROPs. The Super would get fast 16 Gbps GDDR6 memory.
Take it with a grain of salt, or two.
On the other side, Radeon Big Navi could be presented at CES 2020, a Geforce RTX 2080 Ti Super would be the perfect answer from Nvidia. Below a current product overview versus Super products in the RTX series, let's add a 'Titan RTX'.
| model | Titan RTX | Geforce RTX 2080 Ti FE | Geforce RTX 2080 Super | Geforce RTX 2080 FE | Geforce RTX 2070 Super | Geforce RTX 2070 FE | Geforce RTX 2060 Super | Geforce RTX 2060 FE |
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| Code Name | TU102-400 | TU102-300A-Kx | TU104-450 | TU104-400A | TU104-410 | TU106-400A | TU106-410 | TU106-400 (A) |
| Chip size | 754 mm² | 754 mm² | 545 mm² | 545 mm² | 545 mm² | 445 mm² | 445 mm² | 445 mm² |
| Transistors Graphics chip (million) | 18,600 | 18,600 | 13,600 | 13,600 | 13,600 | 10,800 | 10,800 | 10,800 |
| manufacturing processes | 12 nm FFN | 12 nm FFN | 12 nm FFN | 12 nm FFN | 12 nm FFN | 12 nm FFN | 12 nm FFN | 12 nm FFN |
| Graphics Processing Clusters (GPCs) | 6 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 6 or 5 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| ALUs / SM / TMU / ROPs | 4,608 / 72/288/96 | 4,352 / 68/272/88 | 3,072 / 48/192/64 | 2,944 / 46/184/64 | 2,560 / 40/160/64 | 2,304 / 36/144/64 | 2,176 / 34/136/64 | 1,920 / 30/120/48 |
| Dedicated INT32 ALUs | 4608 | 4352 | 3072 | 2944 | 2560 | 2304 | 2176 | 1920 |
| Raytracing cores | 72 | 68 | 48 | 46 | 40 | 36 | 34 | 30 |
| Tensor cores | 576 | 544 | 384 | 368 | 320 | 288 | 272 | 240 |
| GPU base clock (MHz) | 1350 | 1350 | 1650 | 1515 | 1605 | 1410 | 1470 | 1365 |
| GPU boost clock in games (MHz) | 1770 | 1635 | 1815 | 1800 | 1770 | 1710 | 1650 | 1680 |
| FP32 / FP64 performance (TFLOPS) | 16.31 / 0.51 | 14.23 / 0.45 | 11.15 / 0.35 | 10.60 / 0.33 | 9.06 / 0.28 | 7.88 / 0.25 | 7.18 / 0.22 | 6.45 / 0.20 |
| Level 2 cache (KiB) | 6144 | 5632 | 4096 | 4096 | 4096 | 4096 | 4096 | 3072 |
| Memory connection (bit) | 384 | 352 | 256 | 256 | 256 | 256 | 256 | 192 |
| Memory data-rate | 14.0 | 14.0 | 15.5 | 14.0 | 14.0 | 14.0 | 14.0 | 14.0 |
| Memory type | GDDR6 | GDDR6 | GDDR6 | GDDR6 | GDDR6 | GDDR6 | GDDR6 | GDDR6 |
| Memory transfer (GB / s) | 672.0 | 616.0 | 496.1 | 448.0 | 448.0 | 448.0 | 448.0 | 336.0 |
| Storage capacity (MiB) | 24576 | 11264 | 8192 | 8192 | 8192 | 8192 | 8192 | 6144 |
| PCI Express power connectors | 2 × 8-pin | 2 × 8-pin | Each 1 × 8- / 6-pin | Each 1 × 8- / 6-pin | Each 1 × 8- / 6-pin | 1 × 8-pin | 1 × 8-pin | 1 × 8-pin |
| Typical power consumption | 280 watts | 260 watts | 250 watts | 225 watts | 215 watts | 185 watts | 175 watts | 160 watts |
| Retail price | 2,699 eur | 1,259 eur | 739 eur | 849 eur | 529 eur | 629 eur | 419 eur | 369 eur |
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#5701339 Posted on: 08/19/2019 08:04 AM
They can work how they want not intrested on another overpriced gpu.
They can work how they want not intrested on another overpriced gpu.
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#5701340 Posted on: 08/19/2019 08:08 AM
Told everybody the super is coming nobody believed me xD
Time to sell sell my msi gtx 1080 ti gaming x.
Told everybody the super is coming nobody believed me xD
Time to sell sell my msi gtx 1080 ti gaming x.
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#5701342 Posted on: 08/19/2019 08:10 AM
nothing to see here, the T10-8 is a Tesla board.
nothing to see here, the T10-8 is a Tesla board.
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#5701344 Posted on: 08/19/2019 08:12 AM
And the release date might be mid december as well. hope i am right xD
And the release date might be mid december as well. hope i am right xD
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#5701345 Posted on: 08/19/2019 08:13 AM
It wasn't, T4 is the only Turing Tesla so far and the T10 is already a thing back i the GT200 days, so diffentiate it with T10-8.
Theres been 8 generations of Tesla and all parts have had a highest end version so far.
Since when was TU102 in a Tesla product?
It wasn't, T4 is the only Turing Tesla so far and the T10 is already a thing back i the GT200 days, so diffentiate it with T10-8.
Theres been 8 generations of Tesla and all parts have had a highest end version so far.
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#5701347 Posted on: 08/19/2019 08:16 AM
No prizes for guessing correctly that they'll keep 'refreshing' where they think justified.
The 30% more performance that I currently have puts me at the 2080Ti. In the very recent past, the price difference for such an upgrade used to be affordable/palatable. I ain't dropping >>1000 for any gfx card to get me that increase! It's a pitty Ngreedia is still trying hard to maintain this ludicrous price bar. I honestly hope, for sanity's sake, the majority of folk who are able to buy these are still not!!
No prizes for guessing correctly that they'll keep 'refreshing' where they think justified.
The 30% more performance that I currently have puts me at the 2080Ti. In the very recent past, the price difference for such an upgrade used to be affordable/palatable. I ain't dropping >>1000 for any gfx card to get me that increase! It's a pitty Ngreedia is still trying hard to maintain this ludicrous price bar. I honestly hope, for sanity's sake, the majority of folk who are able to buy these are still not!!
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#5701355 Posted on: 08/19/2019 08:40 AM
It can't be more expensive than the 2080Ti can it? I mean 1400€ for a card...
It can't be more expensive than the 2080Ti can it? I mean 1400€ for a card...
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#5701356 Posted on: 08/19/2019 08:40 AM
This could just be a "fully working" 2080ti with more cores and full memory bus.
This could be a titan rtx just with half of the memory removed to have the same amount as the 2080ti, but still with the better GPU.
It does not really matter if they call it Super or Titan the essence is the same.
This could just be a "fully working" 2080ti with more cores and full memory bus.
This could be a titan rtx just with half of the memory removed to have the same amount as the 2080ti, but still with the better GPU.
It does not really matter if they call it Super or Titan the essence is the same.
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#5701365 Posted on: 08/19/2019 08:58 AM
Full TU102 dies are used in Quadros and Titan RTX already. There is no objective reason to cannibalize either unless they sell poorly and they are going for mere rebrand as there is no extra feature lock present in 2080 Ti vs RTX Titan.
In that case there is good chance that it will not be fully unlocked, but something in between 2080 Ti and RTX Titan.
And question is, will it have 12GB of VRAM therefore full 96ROPs or 11GB with 88ROPs?
I'm guessing full TU102. Probably have an excess of them since 12nm is a mature node. Same scenario as the 2080S.
Full TU102 dies are used in Quadros and Titan RTX already. There is no objective reason to cannibalize either unless they sell poorly and they are going for mere rebrand as there is no extra feature lock present in 2080 Ti vs RTX Titan.
In that case there is good chance that it will not be fully unlocked, but something in between 2080 Ti and RTX Titan.
And question is, will it have 12GB of VRAM therefore full 96ROPs or 11GB with 88ROPs?
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#5701369 Posted on: 08/19/2019 09:05 AM
it doesn't make sense for it to be a Geforce part, nvidia's core numbering is more like TU10x-xxx(y)
That actually makes perfect sense.
it doesn't make sense for it to be a Geforce part, nvidia's core numbering is more like TU10x-xxx(y)
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#5701382 Posted on: 08/19/2019 09:49 AM
If so, then they must be expecting AMD to come out with something close to the 2080ti in performance, ie 5800, etc. There is not much business sense for them to do it otherwise. They definitely can do it, but again, it will be more likely timed with what AMD may be doing.
If so, then they must be expecting AMD to come out with something close to the 2080ti in performance, ie 5800, etc. There is not much business sense for them to do it otherwise. They definitely can do it, but again, it will be more likely timed with what AMD may be doing.
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#5701386 Posted on: 08/19/2019 10:02 AM
Only 1399€
It can't be more expensive than the 2080Ti can it? I mean 1400€ for a card...
Only 1399€
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#5701388 Posted on: 08/19/2019 10:03 AM
They wouldn't be cannibalizing anything. The amount of memory the Quadro's/Titan have is their main selling point. No one is paying 2500+ dollars for the extra 256 shader cores. A full TU102 2080 TI S wouldn't cannibalize Quadro's anymore than the full TU104 2080S is going to cannibalize the full TU104 Quadro's.
On top of that, what would even exist between a Ti and a Titan? You'd be looking at a less than 3% increase in CUDA cores if you went from 68 to 70 SM's.
This would clearly be the same scenario as the TU104/2080S; 12nm is mature, and they have an excess of full dies.
Either way, someone already pointed out that it's likely a Tesla part anyhow.
Fully working TU102 die used in RTX gaming GPU is exact definition of cannibalization of RTX Titan card. That's like $1000 loss right there.
I mean if they have an excess of full dies, it only makes sense to put them in something.
Going by the 5700 XT's TDP/performance, AMD would have to break 300w to match the 2080 Ti. I don't really think Nvidia is too worried.
What TDP/Performance? I can lower performance by 10% and have card at 135W.
In other words, 1.8X performance of 5700 XT at 270W with double die size.
In case of HBM use, both power values and achievable performance will be better as even 5700 XT is memory bandwidth limited and therefore given final clock is not exactly efficient.
Having faster memory, 5700 XT could likely perform 10% better at same TBP.
They wouldn't be cannibalizing anything. The amount of memory the Quadro's/Titan have is their main selling point. No one is paying 2500+ dollars for the extra 256 shader cores. A full TU102 2080 TI S wouldn't cannibalize Quadro's anymore than the full TU104 2080S is going to cannibalize the full TU104 Quadro's.
On top of that, what would even exist between a Ti and a Titan? You'd be looking at a less than 3% increase in CUDA cores if you went from 68 to 70 SM's.
This would clearly be the same scenario as the TU104/2080S; 12nm is mature, and they have an excess of full dies.
Either way, someone already pointed out that it's likely a Tesla part anyhow.
Fully working TU102 die used in RTX gaming GPU is exact definition of cannibalization of RTX Titan card. That's like $1000 loss right there.
I mean if they have an excess of full dies, it only makes sense to put them in something.
Going by the 5700 XT's TDP/performance, AMD would have to break 300w to match the 2080 Ti. I don't really think Nvidia is too worried.
What TDP/Performance? I can lower performance by 10% and have card at 135W.
In other words, 1.8X performance of 5700 XT at 270W with double die size.
In case of HBM use, both power values and achievable performance will be better as even 5700 XT is memory bandwidth limited and therefore given final clock is not exactly efficient.
Having faster memory, 5700 XT could likely perform 10% better at same TBP.
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#5701390 Posted on: 08/19/2019 10:06 AM
Titan RTX for gaming is joke who will use 2500€ gpu for gaming?
Fully working TU102 die used in RTX gaming GPU is exact definition of cannibalization of RTX Titan card. That's like $1000 loss right there.
Titan RTX for gaming is joke who will use 2500€ gpu for gaming?
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gotta hand it to NVIDIA....they're gonna stay on top!
I just wish I could afford one....:p